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http://www.emmitsburg.net/gardens/ar...roclimates.htm or http://thurly.net/148z Just some ideas on how to protect or enhance or inhibit plant growth. In a way your home can save energy using similar info. -- Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden http://uppitywis.org/ live WI |
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yes it all starts with knowing about and being able to identify the
aspects of the land, ie.,. northern hemi' ideal would be a southern aspect around to eastern. add some knowledge of average weather conditions eg.,. rainfall an you can have a producing garden in an area that say gets more rain than other near by places. then the right sort of house needs to be built for the climate area so it is truely efficient to run. lots of stumbling block in there as many have no idea to even look for aspect let alone what it is, and outside the indoctrinated mcmansion designs very many won't look at altenatives. so when buying property use the head and not the heart, the heart can come later, develop a criteria. the orientation of the house on the property counts. On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:50:00 -0400, Bill who putters wrote: -- Matthew 25:13 KJV "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is". and also: Isaiah 38:1&17-18 KJV 1: Thus saith the Lord, set thine house in order: for thou shalt die and not live. 17: for thou hast cast all my sins behind my back. 18: For the grave cannot praise thee, death cannot celebrate thee: they that go down in the pit cannot hope for truth. len With peace and brightest of blessings, "Seek truth and understanding will follow" http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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Bill who putters wrote:
http://www.emmitsburg.net/gardens/ar...roclimates.htm or http://thurly.net/148z Just some ideas on how to protect or enhance or inhibit plant growth. In a way your home can save energy using similar info. Some good basic information there but as is so often the case the author fails the international community by not considering which hemisphere the garden is in. David |
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gardenlen wrote:
yes it all starts with knowing about and being able to identify the aspects of the land, ie.,. northern hemi' ideal would be a southern aspect around to eastern. add some knowledge of average weather conditions eg.,. rainfall an you can have a producing garden in an area that say gets more rain than other near by places. then the right sort of house needs to be built for the climate area so it is truely efficient to run. lots of stumbling block in there as many have no idea to even look for aspect let alone what it is, and outside the indoctrinated mcmansion designs very many won't look at altenatives. so when buying property use the head and not the heart, the heart can come later, develop a criteria. the orientation of the house on the property counts. Quite right Len. So many houses, even newly erected, contain basic errors that could easily be avoided. For example, they are oriented towards the street or the view not the sun, or in hot climates they have unshaded sunward windows. I know of people who are saving money by not including insulation but they worry whether the portico should have Ionic or Corinthian columns, of course they plan for aircon to deal with their design errors. Such carelessness and ignorance will come back and bite them and their heirs and successors. Something else to consider is using the garden to improve the house. It is common for people to assume that this means only the aspect and decorating concepts such as linking the outdoors into the house. The plants that you grow can do all that as well as improving the thermal performance of the house. For example you can shade a sun-facing window in summer but allow in the sun in winter by having a trellis with a deciduous vine over it. David |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote: Bill who putters wrote: http://www.emmitsburg.net/gardens/ar...roclimates.htm or http://thurly.net/148z Just some ideas on how to protect or enhance or inhibit plant growth. In a way your home can save energy using similar info. Some good basic information there but as is so often the case the author fails the international community by not considering which hemisphere the garden is in. David Having a bad day? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw |
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Billy wrote:
In article , "David Hare-Scott" wrote: Bill who putters wrote: http://www.emmitsburg.net/gardens/ar...roclimates.htm or http://thurly.net/148z Just some ideas on how to protect or enhance or inhibit plant growth. In a way your home can save energy using similar info. Some good basic information there but as is so often the case the author fails the international community by not considering which hemisphere the garden is in. David Having a bad day? There are cases where hemisphere is not important but not this time. It's a fairly fundamental error in the context of microclimates. Unless you already understand what is going on and are used to making the switch the article in question is going to be misleading. Either the author doesn't get this herself or she is being parochial and only addressing the northern hemisphere. David |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:06:30 +1100, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote: gardenlen wrote: yes it all starts with knowing about and being able to identify the aspects of the land, ie.,. northern hemi' ideal would be a southern aspect around to eastern. add some knowledge of average weather conditions eg.,. rainfall an you can have a producing garden in an area that say gets more rain than other near by places. then the right sort of house needs to be built for the climate area so it is truely efficient to run. lots of stumbling block in there as many have no idea to even look for aspect let alone what it is, and outside the indoctrinated mcmansion designs very many won't look at altenatives. so when buying property use the head and not the heart, the heart can come later, develop a criteria. the orientation of the house on the property counts. Quite right Len. So many houses, even newly erected, contain basic errors that could easily be avoided. For example, they are oriented towards the street or the view not the sun, or in hot climates they have unshaded sunward windows. I know of people who are saving money by not including insulation but they worry whether the portico should have Ionic or Corinthian columns, of course they plan for aircon to deal with their design errors. Such carelessness and ignorance will come back and bite them and their heirs and successors. Something else to consider is using the garden to improve the house. It is common for people to assume that this means only the aspect and decorating concepts such as linking the outdoors into the house. The plants that you grow can do all that as well as improving the thermal performance of the house. For example you can shade a sun-facing window in summer but allow in the sun in winter by having a trellis with a deciduous vine over it. David I admit that we got the best orientation when we bought this house. But it was luck. The house faces the west and we have two very large Oak trees in the front yard. The deck is on the back and gets the morning sun. By late afternoon the deck is completely shaded and comfortable unless the day is extremely hot. We got one of the sunshade awnings and roll it out early in the day to keep the heat out of the kitchen and family room. If I were looking for a building lot I would be checking out the orientation and prevailing winds. Then see if I could build the kind of house and orientation I wanted there. If I were planning to garden I would also think about orientation & winds. -- USA North Carolina Foothills USDA Zone 7a |
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The Cook wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:06:30 +1100, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: gardenlen wrote: yes it all starts with knowing about and being able to identify the aspects of the land, ie.,. northern hemi' ideal would be a southern aspect around to eastern. add some knowledge of average weather conditions eg.,. rainfall an you can have a producing garden in an area that say gets more rain than other near by places. then the right sort of house needs to be built for the climate area so it is truely efficient to run. lots of stumbling block in there as many have no idea to even look for aspect let alone what it is, and outside the indoctrinated mcmansion designs very many won't look at altenatives. so when buying property use the head and not the heart, the heart can come later, develop a criteria. the orientation of the house on the property counts. Quite right Len. So many houses, even newly erected, contain basic errors that could easily be avoided. For example, they are oriented towards the street or the view not the sun, or in hot climates they have unshaded sunward windows. I know of people who are saving money by not including insulation but they worry whether the portico should have Ionic or Corinthian columns, of course they plan for aircon to deal with their design errors. Such carelessness and ignorance will come back and bite them and their heirs and successors. Something else to consider is using the garden to improve the house. It is common for people to assume that this means only the aspect and decorating concepts such as linking the outdoors into the house. The plants that you grow can do all that as well as improving the thermal performance of the house. For example you can shade a sun-facing window in summer but allow in the sun in winter by having a trellis with a deciduous vine over it. David I admit that we got the best orientation when we bought this house. But it was luck. The house faces the west and we have two very large Oak trees in the front yard. The deck is on the back and gets the morning sun. By late afternoon the deck is completely shaded and comfortable unless the day is extremely hot. We got one of the sunshade awnings and roll it out early in the day to keep the heat out of the kitchen and family room. You may have got the best aspect for your deck but not for the overall thermal performance of the house. In temperate zones the best aspect is that the long sides of the house face north and south. In your climate you would be missing out on getting winter sun into the house which will add to your heating bills. If I were looking for a building lot I would be checking out the orientation and prevailing winds. Then see if I could build the kind of house and orientation I wanted there. If I were planning to garden I would also think about orientation & winds. Certainly. David |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
... Bill who putters wrote: http://www.emmitsburg.net/gardens/ar...roclimates.htm or http://thurly.net/148z Just some ideas on how to protect or enhance or inhibit plant growth. In a way your home can save energy using similar info. Some good basic information there but as is so often the case the author fails the international community by not considering which hemisphere the garden is in. LOL. As a result of wandering round the Net, I've become convinced that Geography is either ineffectively taught, or not taught at all in USian schools. |
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"Billy" wrote in message
"David Hare-Scott" wrote: Bill who putters wrote: http://www.emmitsburg.net/gardens/ar...roclimates.htm or http://thurly.net/148z Just some ideas on how to protect or enhance or inhibit plant growth. In a way your home can save energy using similar info. Some good basic information there but as is so often the case the author fails the international community by not considering which hemisphere the garden is in. David Having a bad day? So much for critical analysis............... |
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FarmI wrote:
LOL. As a result of wandering round the Net, I've become convinced that Geography is either ineffectively taught, or not taught at all in USian schools. I vote for taught but completely forgotten after the test by the majority of students. Consider the TV show "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?" to see how much most forget. How much school stuff should be retained? Vastly more than is by most. How much effort should be spent at imporoving the median retention? I have no idea. I remember enough of the material that I am amazed at what folks don't know. |
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
FarmI wrote: LOL. As a result of wandering round the Net, I've become convinced that Geography is either ineffectively taught, or not taught at all in USian schools. I vote for taught but completely forgotten after the test by the majority of students. Consider the TV show "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?" to see how much most forget. How much school stuff should be retained? Vastly more than is by most. How much effort should be spent at imporoving the median retention? I have no idea. I remember enough of the material that I am amazed at what folks don't know. I am sure that forgetting large amounts of material we were taught in schools happens everywhere. One of my concerns is with attitudes to facts and learning rather than data retention. Do schools effectively teach good attitudes to verifying facts and claims? To me this is an essential skill for life because we are constantly bombarded by advertisers, politicians and the like who want us to believe their view of things. Evaluating claims requires the will and the skills to acquire facts and opinions. Having done so if you forget some of the facts this is not such a big deal in comparison with those who never bother and just accept and pass on opinions somebody has handed them or they feel emotionally comfortable with. Getting back on topic, we see plenty of unverified "facts" presented in gardening and by gardeners. Who was it (Mark Twain??) who said " the problem with folks isn't what they don't know it's what they know that just ain't so". David |
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"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message
... FarmI wrote: LOL. As a result of wandering round the Net, I've become convinced that Geography is either ineffectively taught, or not taught at all in USian schools. I vote for taught but completely forgotten after the test by the majority of students. Consider the TV show "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?" to see how much most forget. How much school stuff should be retained? Vastly more than is by most. How much effort should be spent at imporoving the median retention? I have no idea. I remember enough of the material that I am amazed at what folks don't know. :-)) I'm amazed too - and especially that so much of the compulsory subject matter didn't seem to penetrate some skulls. I was listening to a radio quizz the other night and the question asked was: What was the relationship between Ophelia and Laertes and give the name of the Shakespearian play in which they appeared? The answers astounded me. In the end the compere had to give so many hints about the realtionship that he effectivley gave the person the answer, but then she couldn't manage to produce the name of the play. She said Grapes of Wrath. Another guess was something just as equally impossible and by an another American author although that guess was actually a play rather than a novel. Of the actual Shakespearean plays the offerings were Romeo and Juliet, Othello (at least there was one tragedy mentioned), Much ado about nothing, Midsummer's Night Dream and a couple of others. It was gobbsmackingly depressing that it took so long and that so many people couldn't answer or bowed out and even attempt to answer. |
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FarmI wrote:
"Doug Freyburger" wrote in message ... FarmI wrote: LOL. As a result of wandering round the Net, I've become convinced that Geography is either ineffectively taught, or not taught at all in USian schools. I vote for taught but completely forgotten after the test by the majority of students. Consider the TV show "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?" to see how much most forget. How much school stuff should be retained? Vastly more than is by most. How much effort should be spent at imporoving the median retention? I have no idea. I remember enough of the material that I am amazed at what folks don't know. :-)) I'm amazed too - and especially that so much of the compulsory subject matter didn't seem to penetrate some skulls. I was listening to a radio quizz the other night and the question asked was: What was the relationship between Ophelia and Laertes and give the name of the Shakespearian play in which they appeared? The answers astounded me. In the end the compere had to give so many hints about the realtionship that he effectivley gave the person the answer, but then she couldn't manage to produce the name of the play. She said Grapes of Wrath. Another guess was something just as equally impossible and by an another American author although that guess was actually a play rather than a novel. Of the actual Shakespearean plays the offerings were Romeo and Juliet, Othello (at least there was one tragedy mentioned), Much ado about nothing, Midsummer's Night Dream and a couple of others. It was gobbsmackingly depressing that it took so long and that so many people couldn't answer or bowed out and even attempt to answer. There is a difference between not knowing your Shakespeare and voting for candidates who want to invade a country that you cannot find on a map and know nothing about. David |
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In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote: Doug Freyburger wrote: FarmI wrote: LOL. As a result of wandering round the Net, I've become convinced that Geography is either ineffectively taught, or not taught at all in USian schools. I vote for taught but completely forgotten after the test by the majority of students. Consider the TV show "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?" to see how much most forget. How much school stuff should be retained? Vastly more than is by most. How much effort should be spent at imporoving the median retention? I have no idea. I remember enough of the material that I am amazed at what folks don't know. I am sure that forgetting large amounts of material we were taught in schools happens everywhere. One of my concerns is with attitudes to facts and learning rather than data retention. Do schools effectively teach good attitudes to verifying facts and claims? To me this is an essential skill for life because we are constantly bombarded by advertisers, politicians and the like who want us to believe their view of things. Evaluating claims requires the will and the skills to acquire facts and opinions. Having done so if you forget some of the facts this is not such a big deal in comparison with those who never bother and just accept and pass on opinions somebody has handed them or they feel emotionally comfortable with. Getting back on topic, we see plenty of unverified "facts" presented in gardening and by gardeners. Who was it (Mark Twain??) who said " the problem with folks isn't what they don't know it's what they know that just ain't so". David http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...y_of_maryland_ study_shows.html?cat=9 University of Maryland Study Shows Watching Fox News Makes You Ignorant A study conducted by the University of Maryland gives credence to the view that Fox News is anything but, and is really a propaganda machine meant to further a right wing agenda. ----- Uh, he's one of yours, isn't he? If you like weekends, thank a union. -- --------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/3/7/michael_moore http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw |
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