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Through tomorrow there is no shipping charge. Use the promo code FS146
at checkout. There were a couple of seeds I can't usually find around here so it was a good chance to get them without paying half again for shipping. -- USA North Carolina Foothills USDA Zone 7a To find your extension office http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html |
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I would never spend a penny with Burpee/Monsanto.
"The Cook" wrote in message news Through tomorrow there is no shipping charge. Use the promo code FS146 at checkout. There were a couple of seeds I can't usually find around here so it was a good chance to get them without paying half again for shipping. -- USA North Carolina Foothills USDA Zone 7a To find your extension office http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html |
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 11:00:22 -0400, "Steve Peek"
wrote: I would never spend a penny with Burpee/Monsanto. Take off your tinfoil hat - it has fried your brain. http://www.burpee.com/gygg/content.j...t-burpee-seeds |
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Billy wrote:
Biggest competitors, perhaps, but not all. Here is the take on Seminis from Fedco Seeds. Shameless plug: www.seedsavers.org Convention upcoming in late July....pictures to follow! -- Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/4 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 13:57:29 -0400, Gary Woods
wrote: Billy wrote: Biggest competitors, perhaps, but not all. Here is the take on Seminis from Fedco Seeds. Shameless plug: www.seedsavers.org Convention upcoming in late July....pictures to follow! I was in Wallyworld yesterday and I saw a display of Seed Saver organic seed packages on display. -- USA North Carolina Foothills USDA Zone 7a To find your extension office http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html |
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 10:13:44 -0700, Billy
wrote: In article , Boron Elgar wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2012 11:00:22 -0400, "Steve Peek" wrote: I would never spend a penny with Burpee/Monsanto. Take off your tinfoil hat - it has fried your brain. http://www.burpee.com/gygg/content.j...t-burpee-seeds As Mr. Ball says in defense of Burpee ownership. For the record, I own W. Atlee Burpee & Co. Burpee is NOT owned by Monsanto. We do purchase a small number of seeds from the garden seed department of Seminis, a Monsanto subsidiary, and so do our biggest competitors. I am perfectly capable of reading the web links I use for citation. I stand by what I say, too. http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm Biggest competitors, perhaps, but not all. Here is the take on Seminis from Fedco Seeds. The Monsanto buyout presented us with a serious ethical dilemma. In striving to carry the best possible varieties at reasonable prices, we have based our selections largely on the merits of the varieties, rarely on our supplier preferences. Could we be purveyors of Monsanto products and still sleep well at night? Many of our customers have depended upon Seminis' good genetics. However much we may think we require these varieties in the short run, they come at a devastating social cost, ultimately the complete alienation of sower from seed. Fedco Drops Monsanto/Seminis We responded to the news by polling our customers. Should we drop the Seminis/Monsanto line, phase it out, keep it but give it its own customer code, or maintain it without change? We received an unprecedented 1,157 responses. 54.8% voted for us to drop the Seminis/Monsanto line immediately, and an additional 17% to phase it out over time. And what does an unscientific poll conducted by Fedco have to do with Burpee seeds? Boron |
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 16:51:17 -0700, Billy
wrote: In article , Boron Elgar wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2012 10:13:44 -0700, Billy wrote: In article , Boron Elgar wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2012 11:00:22 -0400, "Steve Peek" wrote: I would never spend a penny with Burpee/Monsanto. Take off your tinfoil hat - it has fried your brain. http://www.burpee.com/gygg/content.j...t-burpee-seeds As Mr. Ball says in defense of Burpee ownership. For the record, I own W. Atlee Burpee & Co. Burpee is NOT owned by Monsanto. We do purchase a small number of seeds from the garden seed department of Seminis, a Monsanto subsidiary, and so do our biggest competitors. I am perfectly capable of reading the web links I use for citation. I stand by what I say, too. You can go back to reading whatever you like, as I have no further need of you. I'm glad to read that you are literate, but I was addressing others as to what is a salient point to me, and that is dealing with the enemy. "The enemy"? Whoa, there, buddy, I think you're trying to prove you're one slice short of a sandwich. You may harbor any thoughts and feelings you want about me or Monsanto. I've no objection but you're implications that Burpee should be shunned due to purchases through Seminis, even though Burpee have nothing to do themselves with GMO seeds, takes it down a nonsensical path. Fedco Drops Monsanto/Seminis We responded to the news by polling our customers. Should we drop the Seminis/Monsanto line, phase it out, keep it but give it its own customer code, or maintain it without change? We received an unprecedented 1,157 responses. 54.8% voted for us to drop the Seminis/Monsanto line immediately, and an additional 17% to phase it out over time. And what does an unscientific poll conducted by Fedco have to do with Burpee seeds? Let's call it a democratic choice. No, the poll is marketing, not "democratic choice." The poll would had to have been conducted in a representative way to yield valid and reliable results insofar as polling, but even if it were, it would have nothing to do with democratic choice. Fedco is not a government. Fedco, on the other hand, *can* do whatever the hell they want in their business and give any or no reason for it. You, then, are free to buy from them or not, based on any or no reason whatsoever. Fedco has annual sales of $3 million. Burpee has sales somewhere between $30 and $50 million. Boron |
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Boron Elgar wrote:
I've no objection but you're implications that Burpee should be shunned due to purchases through Seminis, even though Burpee have nothing to do themselves with GMO seeds But for those who believe that Monsanto's business model embodies all that is corrupt and greedy, our main weapon is to shun those who do business with them, voting with our wallets. That's what Fedco customers said loud and clear. Even at a couple of removes, Burpee _does_ have something to do with GMO seeds. -- Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/4 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 12:03:02 -0400, Gary Woods
wrote: Boron Elgar wrote: I've no objection but you're implications that Burpee should be shunned due to purchases through Seminis, even though Burpee have nothing to do themselves with GMO seeds But for those who believe that Monsanto's business model embodies all that is corrupt and greedy, our main weapon is to shun those who do business with them, voting with our wallets. That's what Fedco customers said loud and clear. You do not have proof that last statement is true. Without knowing the definition of those who were invited to participate in the poll, how the survey was worded and of those who were invited to respond, how many actually did so, and how representative they were of the Fedco customer universe, you just cannot make that as a statement of fact. I have been creating and analyzing surveys and polls for over 35 years. That is why I find tossing around the Fedco numbers a load of manure best put into a garden plot. Even at a couple of removes, Burpee _does_ have something to do with GMO seeds. And by that extension so do damn near all of the garden supply, hardware and even a good chunk of the grocery stores in the US. There are better, more logical and effective ways to battle the sort of practices Monsanto engages in. Going after Burpee is a waste of time. And I have been involved in political protest even longer than I have been in market research. Boron |
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Boron Elgar wrote:
That is why I find tossing around the Fedco numbers a load of manure best put into a garden plot. I didn't quote any numbers. Fedco asked its customers and apparently got response sufficient to guide their course of action. I do see a lot of "surveys" these days designed to produce a particular result, i.e. the ubiquitous newsmax popups. -- Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/4 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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"Gary Woods" wrote in message ... Boron Elgar wrote: That is why I find tossing around the Fedco numbers a load of manure best put into a garden plot. I didn't quote any numbers. Fedco asked its customers and apparently got response sufficient to guide their course of action. I do see a lot of "surveys" these days designed to produce a particular result, i.e. the ubiquitous newsmax popups. The numbers were quoted in Billy's post: "We responded to the news by polling our customers. Should we drop the Seminis/Monsanto line, phase it out, keep it but give it its own customer code, or maintain it without change? We received an unprecedented 1,157 responses. 54.8% voted for us to drop the Seminis/Monsanto line immediately, and an additional 17% to phase it out over time. " In the scheme of things, not a huge number to be working with. Mike |
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On Wed, 30 May 2012 09:11:21 -0400, Gary Woods
wrote: Boron Elgar wrote: That is why I find tossing around the Fedco numbers a load of manure best put into a garden plot. I didn't quote any numbers. The numbers were previously posted by Billy, not you.. You posted your conclusion of Fedco customers saying something "loud and clear." Fedco asked its customers and apparently got response sufficient to guide their course of action. You do not know what drivers were involved in the decision making. I do see a lot of "surveys" these days designed to produce a particular result, i.e. the ubiquitous newsmax popups. Any survey that is not properly designed, executed and analyzed is useless. Boron |
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On Wed, 30 May 2012 13:15:23 -0500, phorbin
wrote: In article , says... And by that extension so do damn near all of the garden supply, hardware and even a good chunk of the grocery stores in the US. There are better, more logical and effective ways to battle the sort of practices Monsanto engages in. Going after Burpee is a waste of time. And I have been involved in political protest even longer than I have been in market research. Then let's hear how you would organize a way to carry the battle to Monsanto and bring down the evil empire. I've no interest. I merely exposed the lack of logic in going after Burpee but not regarding others similarly as they also do business with Monsanto. Think globally, act locally. Boron |
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