One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart shaped rather
than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow ? Guess I'll just have
to wait and see ... I have that seedling marked , and plan to keep track of
where it gets planted .
Pretty much everything has come up now except the anaheims and jalapenos ,
but they'll get there . Some of the tomatoes are almost 4" tall now .
Hopefully I can get to the end of February before I have to go to the 4"
pots . By then I'll have my "little greenhouse" built onto the south side
of the house and will have room for them .
--
Snag
C'mon Spring !

On 2/9/2015 6:33 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart shaped rather
than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow ? Guess I'll just have
to wait and see ... I have that seedling marked , and plan to keep track of
where it gets planted .
Pretty much everything has come up now except the anaheims and jalapenos ,
but they'll get there . Some of the tomatoes are almost 4" tall now .
Hopefully I can get to the end of February before I have to go to the 4"
pots . By then I'll have my "little greenhouse" built onto the south side
of the house and will have room for them .

Could be a sport or even something weird, happens from time to time. Our
little tomatoes are about three inches tall now, will be planting out
soon. Temperature here at 1453 was 82F, nice sunshine, light wind out of
the north,forecast is more of the same this week. Should be planting out
by mid-February or, at the latest, March 1.

Still harvesting winter crops but they will start seed stalks with all
the heat soon. Still lots of beets, cabbage, etc. may have to offer some
to neighbors as the kids, etc. are getting tired of it. Some of the
grands would rather eat at Mickey D's rather than out of our garden.
Young people, huff da!

George

that is part of the fun of gardening.

i've never tried to sprout pepper seeds
in warm water, but i wonder if that would
work, an airstone, small aquarium heater
and a close eye on the water quality. hmm...
wish i had more space for playing here.....

there's a mosquito buzzing around. must
be a male, it's not biting.


songbird

"Terry Coombs" wrote:

One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart shaped rather
than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow ? Guess I'll just have
to wait and see ... I have that seedling marked , and plan to keep track of
where it gets planted .
Sounds like "Potato Leafed," usually a trait of older heirlooms. Either a
cross or a sport. Could be interesting...


--
Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/4 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Gary Woods wrote:
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart shaped
rather than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow ? Guess
I'll just have to wait and see ... I have that seedling marked , and
plan to keep track of where it gets planted .
Sounds like "Potato Leafed," usually a trait of older heirlooms.
Either a cross or a sport. Could be interesting...

You and George both used the term "sport" . I've heard the term , but am
unsure of it's meaning . These were all open pollinated seeds I got on the
internet and I have been very pleased with the germination rates , easily
99% in the ones i got .
It'd be nice I guess if this were a throwback . It'll be planted and
monitored , it's got me curiouser and more curiouser !
--
Snag

"Terry Coombs" wrote:

You and George both used the term "sport" . I've heard the term , but am
unsure of it's meaning .

AKA "mutation;" a spontaneous change. More likely, though tomatoes don't
cross easily, a stray grain of pollen from across the field. Things like
this are always fun to follow.

--
Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/4 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

On 10/02/2015 11:33 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart shaped rather
than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow ? Guess I'll just have
to wait and see ... I have that seedling marked , and plan to keep track of
where it gets planted .
Pretty much everything has come up now except the anaheims and jalapenos ,
but they'll get there . Some of the tomatoes are almost 4" tall now .
Hopefully I can get to the end of February before I have to go to the 4"
pots . By then I'll have my "little greenhouse" built onto the south side
of the house and will have room for them .

I've read the other replies in the thread, (and certainly agree that
it's possible that it could be a sport - but it could also be some other
things) but at 4 inches high, that is still a fairly tiny tomato plant.
How sure are you that this tiny tom. has yet developed it's proper
leaves as opposed to possibly more juvenile leaves?

On 2/9/2015 9:00 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Gary Woods wrote:
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart shaped
rather than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow ? Guess
I'll just have to wait and see ... I have that seedling marked , and
plan to keep track of where it gets planted .
Sounds like "Potato Leafed," usually a trait of older heirlooms.
Either a cross or a sport. Could be interesting...

You and George both used the term "sport" . I've heard the term , but am
unsure of it's meaning . These were all open pollinated seeds I got on the
internet and I have been very pleased with the germination rates , easily
99% in the ones i got .
It'd be nice I guess if this were a throwback . It'll be planted and
monitored , it's got me curiouser and more curiouser !

A sport is a natural hybrid, one that mankind didn't breed to be
different. Occurs frequently in nature. When I was hybridizing chile
plants I would occasionally get a plant that was not like the parent
plants in any way. Sometimes they worked out fine sometimes they were
totally useless. Ma Nature works in mysterious ways to confuse humans. I
think it may be deliberate. G

Stay curious and you might find the latest high dollar plant for the
whole world. When early man first began actually planting wild seed to
grow for food he or she also started manipulating the plants to get
better yield, taste, etc. It ain't over yet.

On 2/9/2015 4:33 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart shaped rather
than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow ? Guess I'll just have
to wait and see ... I have that seedling marked , and plan to keep track of
where it gets planted
Pretty much everything has come up now except the anaheims and jalapenos ,
but they'll get there . Some of the tomatoes are almost 4" tall now .
Hopefully I can get to the end of February before I have to go to the 4"
pots . By then I'll have my "little greenhouse" built onto the south side
of the house and will have room for them .

That sounds pretty normal for a given package of seeds.

Several years ago my gave up on buying packages of Blue Lake pole green
bean seed. Usually 3 out of 8 plants would be some other kind of bean.
So now we let some of the pods mature and save their seeds for next year.

Last year we planted acorn squash seeds. Pulled all but two. One turned
out to be cross with a pumpkin. Huge acorn squash that were hollow and
tasted like pumpkin. Deer got all the rest.

Each seed in a tomato is from a different particle of pollen on the
mother flower. You never know where the insect has been before it got to
the flower that was the source of your seed.

My wife has some tomato plants germinated and a couple of egg plants.
Still 2 months away from when we can work the garden and plant the early
stuff here in the Central Oregon desert.

Did you get my email relating to the Coombs ferry on the White river in
Missouri?

Paul

On 11/02/2015 2:34 AM, Derald wrote:
Fran Farmer wrote:

I've read the other replies in the thread, (and certainly agree that
it's possible that it could be a sport - but it could also be some other
things) but at 4 inches high, that is still a fairly tiny tomato plant.
How sure are you that this tiny tom. has yet developed it's proper
leaves as opposed to possibly more juvenile leaves?
Oh, puh-leeze: It seems to me that you're taking a far too
reasonable approach to this burning question.

Snort. Sorry. I'll climb back into my box and withdraw the suggestion
that it could possibly have anything to do with lack of maturity on the
part of the tiny seedling.

Thankfully, such
propensity is not likely to be particularly infectious or contagious,
else I'd start to look elsewhere for an occasional morning giggle. Do
you want to be responsible for driving an old fart back to listening to
the sophomoric twits on "progressive" radio?

:-)) I'll have to think abut that one. Radio here is actually very
good and it takes some keeping up with world affairs to keep up with it,
but then I also believe that old farts are old enough to make their own
decisions, so long as they are prepared to put up with the consequences.

George Shirley wrote:
On 2/9/2015 9:00 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Gary Woods wrote:
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart shaped
rather than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow ?
Guess I'll just have to wait and see ... I have that seedling
marked , and plan to keep track of where it gets planted .
Sounds like "Potato Leafed," usually a trait of older heirlooms.
Either a cross or a sport. Could be interesting...

You and George both used the term "sport" . I've heard the term ,
but am unsure of it's meaning . These were all open pollinated seeds
I got on the internet and I have been very pleased with the
germination rates , easily 99% in the ones i got .
It'd be nice I guess if this were a throwback . It'll be planted
and monitored , it's got me curiouser and more curiouser !

A sport is a natural hybrid, one that mankind didn't breed to be
different. Occurs frequently in nature. When I was hybridizing chile
plants I would occasionally get a plant that was not like the parent
plants in any way. Sometimes they worked out fine sometimes they were
totally useless. Ma Nature works in mysterious ways to confuse
humans. I think it may be deliberate. G

Stay curious and you might find the latest high dollar plant for the
whole world. When early man first began actually planting wild seed to
grow for food he or she also started manipulating the plants to get
better yield, taste, etc. It ain't over yet.

That isn't my understanding of the term. You can get sports on only one
part of a plant, say one branch, which says to me it is a spontaneous
mutation that has happened during the growth of the plant affecting the
cells descended from that mutant but not the rest. A wild hybrid would
affect the genes of the whole plant not just part.

--
David

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
A better world requires a daily struggle
against those who would mislead us.

Fran Farmer wrote:
On 10/02/2015 11:33 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart
shaped rather than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow
? Guess I'll just have to wait and see ... I have that seedling
marked , and plan to keep track of where it gets planted .
Pretty much everything has come up now except the anaheims and
jalapenos , but they'll get there . Some of the tomatoes are almost
4" tall now . Hopefully I can get to the end of February before I
have to go to the 4" pots . By then I'll have my "little greenhouse"
built onto the south side of the house and will have room for them .

I've read the other replies in the thread, (and certainly agree that
it's possible that it could be a sport - but it could also be some
other things) but at 4 inches high, that is still a fairly tiny
tomato plant. How sure are you that this tiny tom. has yet developed
it's proper leaves as opposed to possibly more juvenile leaves?


It is easy to work that out. There are exactly one pair of cotyledons which
will be at the bottom. Any above that are true leaves.

--
David

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
A better world requires a daily struggle
against those who would mislead us.

On 2/10/2015 6:29 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
George Shirley wrote:
On 2/9/2015 9:00 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Gary Woods wrote:
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart shaped
rather than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow ?
Guess I'll just have to wait and see ... I have that seedling
marked , and plan to keep track of where it gets planted .
Sounds like "Potato Leafed," usually a trait of older heirlooms.
Either a cross or a sport. Could be interesting...

You and George both used the term "sport" . I've heard the term ,
but am unsure of it's meaning . These were all open pollinated seeds
I got on the internet and I have been very pleased with the
germination rates , easily 99% in the ones i got .
It'd be nice I guess if this were a throwback . It'll be planted
and monitored , it's got me curiouser and more curiouser !

A sport is a natural hybrid, one that mankind didn't breed to be
different. Occurs frequently in nature. When I was hybridizing chile
plants I would occasionally get a plant that was not like the parent
plants in any way. Sometimes they worked out fine sometimes they were
totally useless. Ma Nature works in mysterious ways to confuse
humans. I think it may be deliberate. G

Stay curious and you might find the latest high dollar plant for the
whole world. When early man first began actually planting wild seed to
grow for food he or she also started manipulating the plants to get
better yield, taste, etc. It ain't over yet.

That isn't my understanding of the term. You can get sports on only one
part of a plant, say one branch, which says to me it is a spontaneous
mutation that has happened during the growth of the plant affecting the
cells descended from that mutant but not the rest. A wild hybrid would
affect the genes of the whole plant not just part.

Around here both of those equal a sport as far as I know.

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Fran Farmer wrote:
On 10/02/2015 11:33 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart
shaped rather than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow
? Guess I'll just have to wait and see ... I have that seedling
marked , and plan to keep track of where it gets planted .
Pretty much everything has come up now except the anaheims and
jalapenos , but they'll get there . Some of the tomatoes are almost
4" tall now . Hopefully I can get to the end of February before I
have to go to the 4" pots . By then I'll have my "little greenhouse"
built onto the south side of the house and will have room for them .

I've read the other replies in the thread, (and certainly agree that
it's possible that it could be a sport - but it could also be some
other things) but at 4 inches high, that is still a fairly tiny
tomato plant. How sure are you that this tiny tom. has yet developed
it's proper leaves as opposed to possibly more juvenile leaves?


It is easy to work that out. There are exactly one pair of
cotyledons which will be at the bottom. Any above that are true
leaves.

So far there are four true leaves , all heart-shaped .

--
Snag

Paul Drahn wrote:
On 2/9/2015 4:33 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
One of my San Marzano tomatoes has different leaves , heart
shaped rather than lobed like all the rest . Wonder what it'll grow
? Guess I'll just have to wait and see ... I have that seedling
marked , and plan to keep track of where it gets planted
Pretty much everything has come up now except the anaheims and
jalapenos , but they'll get there . Some of the tomatoes are almost
4" tall now . Hopefully I can get to the end of February before I
have to go to the 4" pots . By then I'll have my "little greenhouse"
built onto the south side of the house and will have room for them .

That sounds pretty normal for a given package of seeds.

Several years ago my gave up on buying packages of Blue Lake pole
green bean seed. Usually 3 out of 8 plants would be some other kind
of bean. So now we let some of the pods mature and save their seeds
for next year.
Last year we planted acorn squash seeds. Pulled all but two. One
turned out to be cross with a pumpkin. Huge acorn squash that were
hollow and tasted like pumpkin. Deer got all the rest.

Each seed in a tomato is from a different particle of pollen on the
mother flower. You never know where the insect has been before it got
to the flower that was the source of your seed.

My wife has some tomato plants germinated and a couple of egg plants.
Still 2 months away from when we can work the garden and plant the
early stuff here in the Central Oregon desert.

Did you get my email relating to the Coombs ferry on the White river
in Missouri?

Paul

Nope , did you send it to the msn.com email address ? If not , send me one
there and I'll respond with the one I use as my primary .

--
Snag