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Self-Sufficiency Acreage Requirement?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:00:17 -0500, "rick etter"
wrote: Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? ======================= Obviously not the lard butt that sits on the computer all day. There are, however, many occupations/activities that will burn off far more than 2000 calories in a days work or a few hours a day workouts. That you are too lazy to actually work/exercise doesn't mean that others are Hummm anyone up to a bit of research? When I was working above the arctic circle for an oil exploratation company, I was eating (2) 1 pound bags of Craft Carmel candies, and a 12pack of Coke, along with 4 large bologna and cheese sandwiches, every 10 hours. And was loosing weight. Anyone want to calculate how many calories I was consuming in those 8 hours? This of course did not count a big dinner at the end of the day. Gunner "Guns aren't toys. They're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face." -- Krusty the Clown, "The Simpsons" |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A. Lewis) wrote: On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and you got just over two days of food before you start starving. Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? I doubt if many people trying to live a self-sufficient lifestyle would. A thanksgiving dinner is 2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I would hate to have you as a dependent. By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency. The above posts are not necessarily indicative of the typical replies seen in misc. survivalism. It is easier to fight for our principles than to live up to them.-Alfred Adler |
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Self-Sufficiency Acreage Requirement?
(Tallgrass) wrote in message . com...
(Edgar S.) wrote in message . com...snipped Even just a dozen tire stacks with home raised potatoes would be nice to have and takes little effort. snipped again Tire stacks....what are these, adn how does one work with them? stack them up, fill with compost. As I understand it, u harvest the spuds by removing one tire at a time. The tire stack saves space and conserves water. Water evaporates off the stacks more slowly than it does off the ground. While the tires indeed would be ugly to look at out in the open, it would not be too difficult to plant something in front of them... or put them behind some kind of facade.... maybe a rammed earth wall in front with access to the tire stack from the rear. Having MULTIPLE dumped tires in my creekbed, I would love to find a use for them, once I pull them up the ravine! And a refrigerator....any suggestions, other than an aquarium? Planter? Other? My father used his old 'fridge as a tool chest. It worked very well and was handy. The shelves remained in place. The tool shop was very neat. |
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Self-Sufficiency Acreage Requirement?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:34:07 -0600, "Bob Peterson"
said: "North" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:10:31 GMT, KB9WFK said: On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A. Lewis) wrote: On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and you got just over two days of food before you start starving. Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? And of those that did, how many would try to get all of those calories from a single food source like potatos? I just pray for their sake that they don't try to raise a lone crop of Habanero peppers. I don't know how many pounds of those you would have to choke down per day but I think spontanious human combustion would be the result. :-) There is a way to get your cals from taters and other veggies, simply fry them in lard, or fat, even veggie oil. Another way is to eat some taters with a hamburger. By frying the veggies in fat, you change everything. The problem is where do you get the fats? the nuts that think you can live off a small garden are just dreaming. you can't do it without a lot of back breaking work, and even then the diet is poor and you run the risk of health problems from poor diet. better to figure in a lot of animal protein and fat as a big chunk of your diet. much easier than trying to eat 20 pounds of cauliflower every day. A small garden, NO. A small farm, doable, however you are not going work a 40/hr per week job and run a farm alone. With a spouce and kids (helpers) maybe. Anyone who would try to eat 20 pounds of cauliflower would be foolish, but a 1 or 2 cup sized serving of cauliflower with butter and topped with cheese would cover the CAL needs and be very tasty. The reason I say that living off a small farm would be doable is: A garden and livestock can provide enough food but is very hard work. You would not be able to produce enough butter and cheese out of 3 goats, however you could with 10. You could not produce enough eggs with 2 or 3 chickens, but you could with 20. Its all in how you prepare your veggies as to the CAL count. As far as potatoes, it would take 17 pounds of potatoes to meet to 2000 or so CALs needed for daily life, however you would only need 2 or 3 pounds of potatoes friedinfat to meet the same CAL count. Another reason why I say a small farm is doable is because most familys 100+ years ago lived soly off of the things they grew and produced from their small farms. Adding butter and cheese to veggies is the best way to increase the CAL count, and its how the irish and others made it. |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A. Lewis) wrote: On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and you got just over two days of food before you start starving. Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? And of those that did, how many would try to get all of those calories from a single food source like potatos? I just pray for their sake that they don't try to raise a lone crop of Habanero peppers. I don't know how many pounds of those you would have to choke down per day but I think spontanious human combustion would be the result. :-) A thanksgiving dinner is 2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I would hate to have you as a dependent. By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency. Dan kb9wfk |
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"rick etter" wrote:
Obviously not the lard butt that sits on the computer all day. There are, however, many occupations/activities that will burn off far more than 2000 calories in a days work or a few hours a day workouts. That you are too lazy to actually work/exercise doesn't mean that others are. Well-said, Rick. Too many folks think that gardening or farming is just as easy as using a can opener in the long run. It's far from it. ral |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:10:31 GMT, KB9WFK said:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A. Lewis) wrote: On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and you got just over two days of food before you start starving. Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? And of those that did, how many would try to get all of those calories from a single food source like potatos? I just pray for their sake that they don't try to raise a lone crop of Habanero peppers. I don't know how many pounds of those you would have to choke down per day but I think spontanious human combustion would be the result. :-) There is a way to get your cals from taters and other veggies, simply fry them in lard, or fat, even veggie oil. Another way is to eat some taters with a hamburger. By frying the veggies in fat, you change everything. |
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(dstvns) wrote in message ...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:26:33 GMT, (Richard Lewis) wrote: You have looked at the calorie levels of that garlic and those tomatoes, right? What you grew on 400 square feet will do nothing but slow your starvation by a slight bit. Oh I forgot...15 pounds of potatoes on an extra 30 square feet, plus just as many Jerusalem artichokes in the same amount of space on the other side of the yard. Hows 30 pounds of starch in an extra 60 square feet? Dan Build up, not out with tire stacks. Grow potatoes, jerusalem artichokes, and other root veggies. |
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"North" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:10:31 GMT, KB9WFK said: On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A. Lewis) wrote: On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and you got just over two days of food before you start starving. Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? And of those that did, how many would try to get all of those calories from a single food source like potatos? I just pray for their sake that they don't try to raise a lone crop of Habanero peppers. I don't know how many pounds of those you would have to choke down per day but I think spontanious human combustion would be the result. :-) There is a way to get your cals from taters and other veggies, simply fry them in lard, or fat, even veggie oil. Another way is to eat some taters with a hamburger. By frying the veggies in fat, you change everything. The problem is where do you get the fats? the nuts that think you can live off a small garden are just dreaming. you can't do it without a lot of back breaking work, and even then the diet is poor and you run the risk of health problems from poor diet. better to figure in a lot of animal protein and fat as a big chunk of your diet. much easier than trying to eat 20 pounds of cauliflower every day. |
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Self-Sufficiency Acreage Requirement?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:50:33 GMT, (dstvns) wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:42:22 GMT, (Richard A. Lewis) wrote: On a 3,000-4,000cal diet, you'll need to eat approximately 12 pounds of potatoes per day just to maintain your body weight. Add in the artichokes, if they're of a comparable cal level as the taters, and you got just over two days of food before you start starving. Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? And of those that did, how many would try to get all of those calories from a single food source like potatos? I just pray for their sake that they don't try to raise a lone crop of Habanero peppers. I don't know how many pounds of those you would have to choke down per day but I think spontanious human combustion would be the result. :-) A thanksgiving dinner is 2000. Are you going on personal experience with calorie intake? I would hate to have you as a dependent. By the way, thanks for being a regular ray of sunshine, I didn't know there was gonna be a pop quiz on this. As I said in my first post, I DONT KNOW how many acres require self-sufficiency. Dan kb9wfk |
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Self-Sufficiency Acreage Requirement?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:00:17 -0500, "rick etter"
wrote: Who the hell eats 4 thousand calories a day? ======================= Obviously not the lard butt that sits on the computer all day. There are, however, many occupations/activities that will burn off far more than 2000 calories in a days work or a few hours a day workouts. That you are too lazy to actually work/exercise doesn't mean that others are Hummm anyone up to a bit of research? When I was working above the arctic circle for an oil exploratation company, I was eating (2) 1 pound bags of Craft Carmel candies, and a 12pack of Coke, along with 4 large bologna and cheese sandwiches, every 10 hours. And was loosing weight. Anyone want to calculate how many calories I was consuming in those 8 hours? This of course did not count a big dinner at the end of the day. Gunner "Guns aren't toys. They're for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face." -- Krusty the Clown, "The Simpsons" |
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"rick etter" wrote:
Obviously not the lard butt that sits on the computer all day. There are, however, many occupations/activities that will burn off far more than 2000 calories in a days work or a few hours a day workouts. That you are too lazy to actually work/exercise doesn't mean that others are. Well-said, Rick. Too many folks think that gardening or farming is just as easy as using a can opener in the long run. It's far from it. ral |
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