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10-03-2004, 04:49 PM
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Rams Problem
My Rams saga continues ;-)
My 100gallon planted tank with cardinals and 20 Amano shrimps. Week ago introducing 8 Rams - Amano shrimps are missing. Today - One dead Ram and another one infected with bubble-eye. - Removed to isolation. Other Rams are happy as it seems for now - no other stress signs observed. I know that this is caused by the build up of toxic gases that enter the eye shell, but my water are fine with normal readings of all parameters. Is there a way to treat this. (Only once I was able to cure one fish with an 5% Argyrol solution - but I think it is an old remedy these days. Suggestions ??? Amit Brucker -- Amit Brucker + 972 9 7766466 Ext. 651 + 972 66 626625 |
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10-03-2004, 04:58 PM
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Amit wrote:
My Rams saga continues ;-) My 100gallon planted tank with cardinals and 20 Amano shrimps. Week ago introducing 8 Rams - Amano shrimps are missing. Today - One dead Ram and another one infected with bubble-eye. - Removed to isolation. days. Suggestions ??? Amit Brucker Try the links below and see if they help. http://aquariumhobbyist.com/artoffis...g/disease.html http://www.solodvds.com/Pop-Eye.asp http://www.wetwebmedia.com/popeyefaqs.htm http://www.angelfire.com/blues/fish_...ms/POPEYE.html HTH. -- Don`t Worry, Be Happy Sandy -- E-Mail:- Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk IRC:- Sandyb in #rabble uk3.arcnet.vapor.com Port:6667 #Rabble Channel Website:- http://www.rabble.ftscotland.co.uk ICQ : 41266150 |
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10-03-2004, 05:01 PM
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I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them,
but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). "Amit" wrote in message ... My Rams saga continues ;-) My 100gallon planted tank with cardinals and 20 Amano shrimps. Week ago introducing 8 Rams - Amano shrimps are missing. Today - One dead Ram and another one infected with bubble-eye. - Removed to isolation. Other Rams are happy as it seems for now - no other stress signs observed. I know that this is caused by the build up of toxic gases that enter the eye shell, but my water are fine with normal readings of all parameters. Is there a way to treat this. (Only once I was able to cure one fish with an 5% Argyrol solution - but I think it is an old remedy these days. Suggestions ??? Amit Brucker -- Amit Brucker + 972 9 7766466 Ext. 651 + 972 66 626625 |
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10-03-2004, 11:20 PM
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Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead...
Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... -- RedForeman ©® |
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10-03-2004, 11:20 PM
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Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead...
Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... -- RedForeman ©® |
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10-03-2004, 11:20 PM
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hardier???
Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead... Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... -- RedForeman ©® -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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10-03-2004, 11:20 PM
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hardier???
Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead... Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... -- RedForeman ©® -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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10-03-2004, 11:20 PM
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I've seen them around here just recently, but wondered if they'd fair the
same way.... Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead... Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... -- RedForeman ©® -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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10-03-2004, 11:20 PM
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I've seen them around here just recently, but wondered if they'd fair the
same way.... Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead... Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... -- RedForeman ©® -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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10-03-2004, 11:20 PM
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I would say easier for healthier...
Buy only one ! If you want a couple buy 5 and once they choose each other give the other three... Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... hardier??? Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead... Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... -- RedForeman ©® -- RedForeman ©® |
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10-03-2004, 11:20 PM
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I would say easier for healthier...
Buy only one ! If you want a couple buy 5 and once they choose each other give the other three... Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... hardier??? Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead... Philippe "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... -- RedForeman ©® -- RedForeman ©® |
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11-03-2004, 01:46 AM
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"RedForeman ©®" wrote:
I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die... If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams... Of course there are those who will disagree, just as there are those who can breed Discus in conditions resembling Lake Tanganyika, but Rams are soft, acidic water fish. They seem a bit harder to aclimate than most. It breaks my heart when I go to the local wholesaler and see 200 tanks of moderately healthy fish plus 5 tanks of dead rams floatin in our local rock-hard water. Most fish can be aclimated, but Rams seem to need more TLC during aclimation. |
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11-03-2004, 11:47 AM
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Most fish can be aclimated, but Rams seem to need more TLC during aclimation. Dave, right on the money there. I would even go as far as acclimating them as do the marine guys. A long and tedious process but the fish will benefit greatly. Red, you need to assess the state of your LFS's tanks. I would say the biggest culprit would be water quality. The rams probably go into osmotic shock and then over the next few days/weeks slowly dwindle away. In my my part of the woods Rams are pretty expensive so acclimating them slowly was the way to go for me. You could also try Bolivian Rams, not as colourful but also an equally wonderful fish. I bought 6 and one died ;( The rest are thriving in my tank, a much hardier species IMO. hth -- **So long, and thanks for all the fish!** |
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11-03-2004, 02:46 PM
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Red, you need to assess the state of your LFS's tanks. I would say the
biggest culprit would be water quality. The rams probably go into osmotic shock and then over the next few days/weeks slowly dwindle away. In my my part of the woods Rams are pretty expensive so acclimating them slowly was the way to go for me. You could also try Bolivian Rams, not as colourful but also an equally wonderful fish. I bought 6 and one died ;( The rest are thriving in my tank, a much hardier species IMO. hth Most of the blue rams I got were online purchases, and it was my mistake by getting them from the same place twice... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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12-03-2004, 09:01 PM
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Bubble eye Ram died... (At least when it was quarantined)
I have still 6 left - One is itching all the time...go figure what this is ;-) The 'big' issue today was that I was able to see one Amano shrimp but it disappear after a short while.... Maybe they are still hiding some place... As for the Rams they are locally grown in HARD water.... imported Rams would survive in my tank only for about a week.... Amit "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... Red, you need to assess the state of your LFS's tanks. I would say the biggest culprit would be water quality. The rams probably go into osmotic shock and then over the next few days/weeks slowly dwindle away. In my my part of the woods Rams are pretty expensive so acclimating them slowly was the way to go for me. You could also try Bolivian Rams, not as colourful but also an equally wonderful fish. I bought 6 and one died ;( The rest are thriving in my tank, a much hardier species IMO. hth Most of the blue rams I got were online purchases, and it was my mistake by getting them from the same place twice... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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