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Old 15-10-2004, 05:34 AM
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Hello folks,

I've got a 35 gallon established planted tank (various swords and anubias)
with a bunch of cardinal tetras, a zebra pleco, 4 clown loaches, and black
rubber eel. I've also got an undergravel plate running with 2 mini
powerheads. It's been set up for 2 years now along with an aquaclear 300
power filter hanging off the back. Well...the aquaclear has become quite
noisy over time so I've decided to upgrade to an eheim cansiter filter (2213
model) which I bought 2 days ago. Since wednesday I've had the eheim set up
and I've kept the aquaclear also running so as to keep bacterial buildup
present throughout the switchover process. I've got the eheim running with
a layer of ceramic rings, a sponge from the aquaclear, followed by 3 new
circular eheim sponges and 1 polish sponge. I figured by using one of my
aquaclear sponges (I wuz running my aq 300 with 2 sponges and nothing
else).....that would kick start bacteria buildup in the eheim. My question
now is...how long should I keep the aquaclear running?? Is 2 days enough
time for the eheim to get enough bacteria buildup in order to hold the tank
on it's own??

Any and all pointers appreciated...
thx...
Dave



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Old 15-10-2004, 09:11 AM
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Dave wrote:

Hello folks,

I've got a 35 gallon established planted tank (various swords and anubias)
with a bunch of cardinal tetras, a zebra pleco, 4 clown loaches, and black
rubber eel. I've also got an undergravel plate running with 2 mini
powerheads. It's been set up for 2 years now along with an aquaclear 300
power filter hanging off the back. Well...the aquaclear has become quite
noisy over time so I've decided to upgrade to an eheim cansiter filter (2213
model) which I bought 2 days ago. Since wednesday I've had the eheim set up
and I've kept the aquaclear also running so as to keep bacterial buildup
present throughout the switchover process. I've got the eheim running with
a layer of ceramic rings, a sponge from the aquaclear, followed by 3 new
circular eheim sponges and 1 polish sponge. I figured by using one of my
aquaclear sponges (I wuz running my aq 300 with 2 sponges and nothing
else).....that would kick start bacteria buildup in the eheim. My question
now is...how long should I keep the aquaclear running?? Is 2 days enough
time for the eheim to get enough bacteria buildup in order to hold the tank
on it's own??

Any and all pointers appreciated...


Get yourself a test kit and use it, they are especially for this
situation. For eg what are your nitrate levels and water changes like?
This would give you an idea of how well your old filters were keeping on
top of waste production. It is very hard to answer without some info
like this. For eg if your setup is well over specced there might be not
much feedstock available for the new filter with the aquaclear running
as well so you would be best off dropping the aquaclear. OTOH if you are
only just staying on top of things the eheim should not take longer than
say a week, especially with that sponge.

Peter

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Old 15-10-2004, 10:46 PM
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For what it is worth, you should also have the bacterial colonies living
down in your substrate if you have rock, sand, etc.

I would say to go ahead and remove the over-the-back filter and just stick
with the canister filter. Over time, the canister will start a bacteria
colony pretty quickly especially if there already is some on the substrate.

Brian S.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Hello folks,

I've got a 35 gallon established planted tank (various swords and anubias)
with a bunch of cardinal tetras, a zebra pleco, 4 clown loaches, and black
rubber eel. I've also got an undergravel plate running with 2 mini
powerheads. It's been set up for 2 years now along with an aquaclear 300
power filter hanging off the back. Well...the aquaclear has become quite
noisy over time so I've decided to upgrade to an eheim cansiter filter

(2213
model) which I bought 2 days ago. Since wednesday I've had the eheim set

up
and I've kept the aquaclear also running so as to keep bacterial buildup
present throughout the switchover process. I've got the eheim running

with
a layer of ceramic rings, a sponge from the aquaclear, followed by 3 new
circular eheim sponges and 1 polish sponge. I figured by using one of my
aquaclear sponges (I wuz running my aq 300 with 2 sponges and nothing
else).....that would kick start bacteria buildup in the eheim. My

question
now is...how long should I keep the aquaclear running?? Is 2 days enough
time for the eheim to get enough bacteria buildup in order to hold the

tank
on it's own??

Any and all pointers appreciated...
thx...
Dave




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Old 15-10-2004, 11:47 PM
Craig Brye
 
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I agree... I wouldn't bother leaving both running for more than a day or
two (in my experiences). The filter will begin to get well colonized almost
immediately.

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Craig Brye
University of Phoenix Online

"Brian S." wrote in message
news:dzXbd.253423$D%[email protected]_s51...
For what it is worth, you should also have the bacterial colonies living
down in your substrate if you have rock, sand, etc.

I would say to go ahead and remove the over-the-back filter and just stick
with the canister filter. Over time, the canister will start a bacteria
colony pretty quickly especially if there already is some on the

substrate.

Brian S.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Hello folks,

I've got a 35 gallon established planted tank (various swords and

anubias)
with a bunch of cardinal tetras, a zebra pleco, 4 clown loaches, and

black
rubber eel. I've also got an undergravel plate running with 2 mini
powerheads. It's been set up for 2 years now along with an aquaclear

300
power filter hanging off the back. Well...the aquaclear has become

quite
noisy over time so I've decided to upgrade to an eheim cansiter filter

(2213
model) which I bought 2 days ago. Since wednesday I've had the eheim

set
up
and I've kept the aquaclear also running so as to keep bacterial buildup
present throughout the switchover process. I've got the eheim running

with
a layer of ceramic rings, a sponge from the aquaclear, followed by 3 new
circular eheim sponges and 1 polish sponge. I figured by using one of

my
aquaclear sponges (I wuz running my aq 300 with 2 sponges and nothing
else).....that would kick start bacteria buildup in the eheim. My

question
now is...how long should I keep the aquaclear running?? Is 2 days

enough
time for the eheim to get enough bacteria buildup in order to hold the

tank
on it's own??

Any and all pointers appreciated...
thx...
Dave






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Old 16-10-2004, 04:22 PM
Dave
 
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"Craig Brye" wrote in message
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I agree... I wouldn't bother leaving both running for more than a day or
two (in my experiences). The filter will begin to get well colonized
almost
immediately.

--
Craig Brye
University of Phoenix Online

"Brian S." wrote in message
news:dzXbd.253423$D%[email protected]_s51...
For what it is worth, you should also have the bacterial colonies living
down in your substrate if you have rock, sand, etc.

I would say to go ahead and remove the over-the-back filter and just
stick
with the canister filter. Over time, the canister will start a bacteria
colony pretty quickly especially if there already is some on the

substrate.

Brian S.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Hello folks,

I've got a 35 gallon established planted tank (various swords and

anubias)
with a bunch of cardinal tetras, a zebra pleco, 4 clown loaches, and

black
rubber eel. I've also got an undergravel plate running with 2 mini
powerheads. It's been set up for 2 years now along with an aquaclear

300
power filter hanging off the back. Well...the aquaclear has become

quite
noisy over time so I've decided to upgrade to an eheim cansiter filter

(2213
model) which I bought 2 days ago. Since wednesday I've had the eheim

set
up
and I've kept the aquaclear also running so as to keep bacterial
buildup
present throughout the switchover process. I've got the eheim running

with
a layer of ceramic rings, a sponge from the aquaclear, followed by 3
new
circular eheim sponges and 1 polish sponge. I figured by using one of

my
aquaclear sponges (I wuz running my aq 300 with 2 sponges and nothing
else).....that would kick start bacteria buildup in the eheim. My

question
now is...how long should I keep the aquaclear running?? Is 2 days

enough
time for the eheim to get enough bacteria buildup in order to hold the

tank
on it's own??

Any and all pointers appreciated...
thx...
Dave


Thx for the advice. I've diconnected the aquaclear last night. Everything
seems to be fine (and a lot more quiet).

Dave - Toronto




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Old 16-10-2004, 05:35 PM
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Just be sure to check to Ammonia and Nitrites a couple of times during the
next few days. I've never had a problem doing this, but I would hate to
find out that I was just lucky!

--
Craig Brye
University of Phoenix Online

"Dave" wrote in message
...

"Craig Brye" wrote in message
news
I agree... I wouldn't bother leaving both running for more than a day or
two (in my experiences). The filter will begin to get well colonized
almost
immediately.

--
Craig Brye
University of Phoenix Online

"Brian S." wrote in message
news:dzXbd.253423$D%[email protected]_s51...
For what it is worth, you should also have the bacterial colonies

living
down in your substrate if you have rock, sand, etc.

I would say to go ahead and remove the over-the-back filter and just
stick
with the canister filter. Over time, the canister will start a

bacteria
colony pretty quickly especially if there already is some on the

substrate.

Brian S.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Hello folks,

I've got a 35 gallon established planted tank (various swords and

anubias)
with a bunch of cardinal tetras, a zebra pleco, 4 clown loaches, and

black
rubber eel. I've also got an undergravel plate running with 2 mini
powerheads. It's been set up for 2 years now along with an aquaclear

300
power filter hanging off the back. Well...the aquaclear has become

quite
noisy over time so I've decided to upgrade to an eheim cansiter

filter
(2213
model) which I bought 2 days ago. Since wednesday I've had the eheim

set
up
and I've kept the aquaclear also running so as to keep bacterial
buildup
present throughout the switchover process. I've got the eheim

running
with
a layer of ceramic rings, a sponge from the aquaclear, followed by 3
new
circular eheim sponges and 1 polish sponge. I figured by using one

of
my
aquaclear sponges (I wuz running my aq 300 with 2 sponges and nothing
else).....that would kick start bacteria buildup in the eheim. My
question
now is...how long should I keep the aquaclear running?? Is 2 days

enough
time for the eheim to get enough bacteria buildup in order to hold

the
tank
on it's own??

Any and all pointers appreciated...
thx...
Dave


Thx for the advice. I've diconnected the aquaclear last night.

Everything
seems to be fine (and a lot more quiet).

Dave - Toronto




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Old 16-10-2004, 11:27 PM
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"Craig Brye" wrote in message
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Just be sure to check to Ammonia and Nitrites a couple of times during the
next few days. I've never had a problem doing this, but I would hate to
find out that I was just lucky!


Actually, I suspect it's *Dave* who would hate to find out that you
were just lucky ;-)

Cheers,

Michi.
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Old 17-10-2004, 02:26 AM
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Hello folks,

I've got a 35 gallon established planted tank (various swords and anubias)
with a bunch of cardinal tetras, a zebra pleco, 4 clown loaches, and black
rubber eel. I've also got an undergravel plate running with 2 mini
powerheads. It's been set up for 2 years now along with an aquaclear 300
power filter hanging off the back. Well...the aquaclear has become quite
noisy over time so I've decided to upgrade to an eheim cansiter filter

(2213
model) which I bought 2 days ago. Since wednesday I've had the eheim set

up
and I've kept the aquaclear also running so as to keep bacterial buildup
present throughout the switchover process. I've got the eheim running

with
a layer of ceramic rings, a sponge from the aquaclear, followed by 3 new
circular eheim sponges and 1 polish sponge. I figured by using one of my
aquaclear sponges (I wuz running my aq 300 with 2 sponges and nothing
else).....that would kick start bacteria buildup in the eheim. My

question
now is...how long should I keep the aquaclear running?? Is 2 days enough
time for the eheim to get enough bacteria buildup in order to hold the

tank
on it's own??

Any and all pointers appreciated...



Given that you have a UGF running I'd say you can switch it off now. If it
was your only filter then I'd give it 2-3 weeks

I.




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