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Are you folks blind?:-)
Look at the post, there's only one link on there. Regards, Tom Barr HINT, HINT = www.BarrReport.com |
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oups.com... Are you folks blind?:-) Look at the post, there's only one link on there. Regards, Tom Barr HINT, HINT = www.BarrReport.com really? We must be looking at a different site then or all be blind. I have looked all over www.BarrReport.com and have not found this. I have found quite a few different links and articles there, but I have not managed to find anything about a diy co2 reactor. I don't mean to sound negative since you are offering this for free, but it is not easy to find. -- Margolis http://web.archive.org/web/200302152...qs/AGQ2FAQ.htm http://www.unrealtower.org/faq |
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... wrote in message oups.com... Are you folks blind?:-) Look at the post, there's only one link on there. Regards, Tom Barr HINT, HINT = www.BarrReport.com really? We must be looking at a different site then or all be blind. I have looked all over www.BarrReport.com and have not found this. I have found quite a few different links and articles there, but I have not managed to find anything about a diy co2 reactor. I don't mean to sound negative since you are offering this for free, but it is not easy to find. Agreed - did a site search for "DIY", "CO2", "DIY CO2" and "reactor" and it comes up with nothing. If it is there, it's too buried and too hard to find. There is nothing wronf my eyes as far as I know, neither my is there anything wrong with my congnition. Oz -- My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith |
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On 14 Jan 2005, the world was enlightened by Ozdude's opinion about...
"Margolis" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Are you folks blind?:-) Look at the post, there's only one link on there. Regards, Tom Barr HINT, HINT = www.BarrReport.com really? We must be looking at a different site then or all be blind. I have looked all over www.BarrReport.com and have not found this. I have found quite a few different links and articles there, but I have not managed to find anything about a diy co2 reactor. I don't mean to sound negative since you are offering this for free, but it is not easy to find. Agreed - did a site search for "DIY", "CO2", "DIY CO2" and "reactor" and it comes up with nothing. If it is there, it's too buried and too hard to find. There is nothing wronf my eyes as far as I know, neither my is there anything wrong with my congnition. Oz If you *register*, then the search works properly. kev -- Civilization. An organized system of alternatives to the stone age - CJCherryh |
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"kev" wrote in message
... On 14 Jan 2005, the world was enlightened by Ozdude's opinion about... If you *register*, then the search works properly. OK, so considering it *costs* (or so it appears to) for this information, then shall we consider the original message subtle spam? I hope it wasn't , but quite frankly, I don't have the money on hand to be paying for "The Barr Report" and I certainly don't need to be paying for information which is possibly freely available on the Internet, or by a bit of personal thought. I have my own flavour of CO2 "reactor" which will start it's testing next Wednesday when I get the generator working, and I'll post it on my site and it'll be free, without any hook to get you to go there. Forgive me if I sound a little suspicious of Mr. Barr's motives for the post in the first place, but if there is one thing I personally abhor it's people making money without being up front about it. There is too much greed and deception in the world today and I am waiting for us all to realise how unhappy it ultimately makes you if you are in fact greedy and deceptive. There is nothing wrong with capitalism, but you should be ethical Sorry for the tone of this message, but I for one don't need full access to Mr Barr's "report" even if it has astounding new information in it - I can't imagine it does...sorry. Oz -- My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith |
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Ozdude wrote: "kev" wrote in message ... On 14 Jan 2005, the world was enlightened by Ozdude's opinion about... If you *register*, then the search works properly. OK, so considering it *costs* (or so it appears to) for this information, then shall we consider the original message subtle spam? I hope it wasn't , but quite frankly, I don't have the money on hand to be paying for "The Barr Report" and I certainly don't need to be paying for information which is possibly freely available on the Internet, or by a bit of personal thought. Oz, Dude, chill (in a friendly way) I read this entire thread again, to see what I was missing. One poster up earlier said, "you have to register first". My first reaction was exactely as yours. Free my ass! But then I chilled, and looked at the site again. "Register" is free. To "subscribe" is $12. So I simply registered and now have more access. It's free. sincerely, steve |
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ups.com... Oz, Dude, chill (in a friendly way) OK chilled I am guilty, I admit of not going "in far enough" then I read this entire thread again, to see what I was missing. One poster up earlier said, "you have to register first". My first reaction was exactely as yours. Free my ass! But then I chilled, and looked at the site again. "Register" is free. To "subscribe" is $12. So I simply registered and now have more access. It's free. Perhaps I will register then Regards, Oz -- My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith |
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Simply registering a user name and password cost absolutely *nothing*.
Just like here...........is Goggle is unethical as well? So what part of "free" bothers you precisely? I said it was free, no mistake. You cannot do many functions on sites without getting a user name/password. I'm trying to help you, not make a buck off of you, most folks waste plenty more than the fee I charge on snake oil and other things, but some like to do that.Many pay 20-30$ a year for a mag subscription, they are lucky if they see one decent plant article. If you search around the web over the years you will see a long history of me giving information for free and doing above and beyond to help perfect strangers.You might want to check things out a bit before assuming the negative intent of others. I do not expect anything in return except that you help someone else in the same way.Those that are interested, will get involved. Here's an excerp from Mike, past editor of TFH(used with his premission) about "free" advice on the net. by Mike Reed Past Editor of TFH Magazine It's amazing how treacherous the Internet can be if you are looking for advice about keeping tropical fishes. Every now and then, I used to visit the forums and discussion groups on "the net" and even participated in them briefly. What I saw was that in with the simple, sometimes good advice was an amazing amount of outdated advice and some downright bad advice being given to all who would read and trust it. Every now and then, somebody gave information that was startingly good and new and useful. But these gems came from intelligent and creative people and such people have limited time. The hacks that spend endless time on "the net" do not like anything new or that they disagree with - with or without evidence that it is right or wrong. So they demand "proof" of what anybody else says that they disagree with. And the more they get answers, the more they continue to harangue the contributor of the information. If you have ever wondered why you do not see well-known aquarists on the forums and discussion groups, this is the main reason. Why spend limited time trying to help when you are simply badgered for it. Better to just save the time and not participate. You can do much more, much more easily by writing an article for an aquarium magazine." Assumptive hacks do not bug me, but the words from Mike are very precise and to the point. Regards, Tom Barr |
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Here's an excerp from Mike, past editor of TFH(used with his
premission) about "free" advice on the net. by Mike Reed Past Editor of TFH Magazine It's amazing how treacherous the Internet can be if you are looking for advice about keeping tropical fishes. Every now and then, I used to visit the forums and discussion groups on "the net" and even participated in them briefly. What I saw was that in with the simple, sometimes good advice was an amazing amount of outdated advice and some downright bad advice being given to all who would read and trust it. Every now and then, somebody gave information that was startingly good and new and useful. But these gems came from intelligent and creative people and such people have limited time. The hacks that spend endless time on "the net" do not like anything new or that they disagree with - with or without evidence that it is right or wrong. So they demand "proof" of what anybody else says that they disagree with. And the more they get answers, the more they continue to harangue the contributor of the information. If you have ever wondered why you do not see well-known aquarists on the forums and discussion groups, this is the main reason. Why spend limited time trying to help when you are simply badgered for it. Better to just save the time and not participate. You can do much more, much more easily by writing an article for an aquarium magazine." Assumptive hacks do not bug me, but the words from Mike are very precise and to the point. When was he editor? I've never heard of him and have been wrting for TFH for years. That he spent a small time on the net and found it uselss is no great shock, and it's rather a slap in the face to people that do know their stuff and have been here since posting #1 back in the 80s. The current editor of TFH does not share his opinion. And it's not like you can't find bad information inj any magazine. His point is valid to the extent that "some guy on the next said xxx works" is not valid without checking to see if that's really true. This is the nature of research and critical thought. I like TFH. But the net, not TFH made the fish hobby what it is today. Hell, you can't even buy TFH in Canada. There's a lot to be said for instand uniquitous communication. Or would you rather snail mail your question to TFH and read the answer 4 months later? -- Need Mercedes parts ? - http://parts.mbz.org http://www.mbz.org | Mercedes Mailing lists: http://lists.mbz.org 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | Killies, killi.net, Crypts, aquaria.net 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Old wris****ches http://watches.list.mbz.org |
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wrote in message oups.com... Simply registering a user name and password cost absolutely *nothing*. Just like here...........is Goggle is unethical as well? snipped and taken on board I'm so sorry Tom. I am very guilty of "mindlessness". In the process I projected my generalised suspicion about people's motivation. Many apologies. If any one on Usenet knows, it is I, about shooting your mind and mouth off without proper investigation. I have learnt another lesson this day, so it hasn't all been bad for me All I can do apologise to you and tell it won't happen again. I guess I am a bit tense about my plants, income and ability, being the novice **** that I am All the best and keep up the good work. FWIW I did register (Ozdude) and I got the information for free, and for that I am very appreciative. Sorry once again - I shall be more mindful next time. Regards, Oz -- My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith |
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wrote: Are you folks blind?:-) Look at the post, there's only one link on there. Where? (I knew I should have stoppped when I needed glasses) -- Need Mercedes parts ? - http://parts.mbz.org http://www.mbz.org | Mercedes Mailing lists: http://lists.mbz.org 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | Killies, killi.net, Crypts, aquaria.net 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Old wris****ches http://watches.list.mbz.org |
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Are you folks blind?:-) Look at the post, there's only one link on there. Regards, Tom Barr HINT, HINT = www.BarrReport.com I'm not blind, I'm just not seeing the same website you are, probably due to cache/update or registered/unregistered problems. From what I see, I can't even find "the post" which you speak of, let alone the link. Here's what I see when I go to www.BarrReport.com (Front page, middle panel, as of 14/Jan/2005, about 16:00 UTC): ----------------------------------------------------------------- Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin, from Latin, ruler, rule, model, standard, from Greek kanOn 1a : the authentic works of a writer b : a sanctioned or accepted body of related works 2a : an accepted principle or rule b : a criterion or standard of judgement c : a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms Subscription to the Barr Report - One Year Submitted by administrator on Tue, 2004-12-14 14:32. Subscribe now to the Barr Report - the monthly newsletter covering the aquatic and aquascaping hobby. Find answers to the questions "Why have I not had BBA for many years and others have? Why can I induce BBA by lowering my CO2? or my favorite Barr quote "Keep trying to do all the other methods, till you have done them all :-)" Subscribers also get private exclusive access to the Barr Blog, Tom Barr's personal web log containing rants and ravings about a variety of aquatic topics. You also will be able to join a private community and read others comments and feedback on monthly newsletter articles, archive articles, galleries, and other exclusive content. Price: $12.95 » 20 comments | read more | add to cart International Credit Card Subscriptions Submitted by administrator on Sun, 2004-12-12 17:12. International Credit Card subscriptions can also be taken at http://www.pmddstore.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BarrReport » 2 comments 125G Planted Mbuna Tank Submitted by travis on Fri, 2005-01-07 10:32. Aquascapes I see a few aquascapes have been submitted so far. Thought I would keep the ball rolling. This is my 125G planted mbuna tank. I had terrible problems with algae (and test kits) until I started using Tom's Estimative Index dosing system. Sounds like a testimonial doesn't it? » login or register to post comments | original image | Aquascapes image gallery Notes from Aquatic plant class. Submitted by Tom Barr on Wed, 2004-12-29 04:23. I will be posting some notes from a class from UF about aquatic plants, this applies to wild plants. These are from the top researchers in the world on aquatic weeds. I'll post them then discuss the content later after the first main article is posted. So there will be basically an article, plus some detailed notes from a different viewpoint than anything written in aquatic plant books. Regards, Tom Barr » Tom Barr's blog | login or register to post comments The Barr report lives! Submitted by Tom Barr on Fri, 2004-12-24 14:18. Hell freezes over I've finally decide to start a site that focuses my experience, educations, research and findings with aquatic plants. This site will build in content as everyone that knows me will surely attest to. I tend to write a great deal about plants on the mailing list and boards. I will answer some very general things on public list/forums, but I will help those subscribed here to whatever detail they require. While this has been a very long time coming, it has also given me a chance to focus what I want to create much more and to have the background to do it. I want to personally thank Greg Watson for his invaluable help and efforts for this. » Tom Barr's blog | 2 comments | read more Barr Report available in English, Italian, Spanish, and French Submitted by Greg Watson on Wed, 2004-12-08 20:56. We are excited to announce limited availability of the Barr Report and the website in Italian, Spanish, and French. Content and navigation that has not been translated will be displayed in English. Most articles have been translated (some more sophisticated than others) and can be accessed in Italian, Spanish, and French by selecting the country code flag at the top of each article. We hope to add German soon! » login or register to post comments The Estimative Index of Dosing, or No Need for Test Kits Submitted by Tom Barr on Wed, 2004-12-08 20:21. Estimative Index What is it? The Estimative index is a simple method to dose nutrients for any tank without test kits. In a nut shell, the aquarist doses frequently to prevent anything from running out (plant deficiency) and does large weekly water changes to prevent any build up (Plant inhibition). In this manner, we can easily maintain a close approximation or an “estimation index” of the nutrient levels during the week, not too high, not too low and…..no need for a test kit because the accuracy is close and in most cases closer than a test kit. I’ve done numerous test runs over a week or three week time period using very high light and many different species of fast growing stem plants. This will give an assumed “maximum uptake rate”. This rate is important in setting the upper limit of the needs of the plants. Once the aquarist knows this rate, they can be confident that they are not going to run out of any nutrient at most any lighting variable. This “rate” of uptake or dosing is what is truly important rather than maintaining some static “residual” level. » 29 comments | read more Stages of the Aquascaper Submitted by Tom Barr on Wed, 2004-12-08 20:10. Aquascaping Differentiating from the plant _gardener_, the plant aquascaper has a much longer, and less frustrating path in development. "Gardening" involves the growing aspects of aquatic horticulture. This includes the physiology, ecology, pruning, aquarium maintenance and mastering the ability to use the "colors"... the plants themselves. I started off aquascaping with rock, next came coral and marine tanks, then driftwood and finally to plants both Marine and Freshwater. The "Aquascaper" uses the colors(the plants) to paint their design. Aqauscaping involves all aspects of design and layout. » login or register to post comments | read more ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Rocco Moretti wrote: wrote: I'm not blind, I'm just not seeing the same website you are, probably due to cache/update or registered/unregistered problems. From what I see, I can't even find "the post" which you speak of, let alone the link. Here's what I see when I go to www.BarrReport.com (Front page, middle panel, as of 14/Jan/2005, about 16:00 UTC): snip all except the last line you posted =BB login or register to post comments | read more ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup. Register to read more. Maybe Tom's announcement could have said, "Registration is free, and gives you access to much more free information for free, including the newest DIY C02 dealy bobber." steve |
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snip all except the last line you posted » login or register to post comments | read more ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup. Register to read more. Well, technically the line says "register ... to post comments" (and is attached to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story specifically, not the site as a whole). The "Read more" is a separate link (again, attached to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story specifically) that actually gives you full access to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story, no login required. Maybe Tom's announcement could have said, "Registration is free, and gives you access to much more free information for free, including the newest DIY C02 dealy bobber." Would have been better, especially since there is no indication that additional free content is available for the registered (and not subscribed) users. BTW, the "login or register to post comments" is not accurate either, as after logging in, I get a "you can't post comments" message under the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story. So yes, logging in gives you access to more free content, but I still maintain there is no way to figure that out by just looking at the non-logged-in site. |
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Rocco Moretti wrote: default wrote: snip all except the last line you posted =BB login or register to post comments | read more ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup. Register to read more. Well, technically the line says "register ... to post comments" (and is attached to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story specifically, not the site as a whole). The "Read more" is a separate link (again, attached to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story specifically) that actually gives you full access to the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story, no login required. Maybe Tom's announcement could have said, "Registration is free, and gives you access to much more free information for free, including the newest DIY C02 dealy bobber." Would have been better, especially since there is no indication that additional free content is available for the registered (and not subscribed) users. BTW, the "login or register to post comments" is not accurate either, as after logging in, I get a "you can't post comments" message under the "Stages of the Aquascaper" story. So yes, logging in gives you access to more free content, but I still maintain there is no way to figure that out by just looking at the non-logged-in site. I'm in agreement with you, Rocco. I didn't register until another poster suggested it. There is no way to tell from the site that registration opens up new stuff. And I wouldn't have if the benefit was only to post to the topics, which is what my initial reaction was. steve |
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