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Are you folks blind?:-)
Look at the post, there's only one link on there.
Regards,
Tom Barr

HINT, HINT
= www.BarrReport.com




really? We must be looking at a different site then or all be blind. I
have looked all over www.BarrReport.com and have not found this. I have
found quite a few different links and articles there, but I have not managed
to find anything about a diy co2 reactor.

I don't mean to sound negative since you are offering this for free, but it
is not easy to find.

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"Margolis" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
oups.com...
Are you folks blind?:-)
Look at the post, there's only one link on there.
Regards,
Tom Barr

HINT, HINT
= www.BarrReport.com




really? We must be looking at a different site then or all be blind. I
have looked all over www.BarrReport.com and have not found this. I have
found quite a few different links and articles there, but I have not
managed
to find anything about a diy co2 reactor.

I don't mean to sound negative since you are offering this for free, but
it
is not easy to find.

Agreed - did a site search for "DIY", "CO2", "DIY CO2" and "reactor" and it
comes up with nothing.

If it is there, it's too buried and too hard to find. There is nothing wronf
my eyes as far as I know, neither my is there anything wrong with my
congnition.

Oz


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On 14 Jan 2005, the world was enlightened by Ozdude's opinion about...

"Margolis" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
oups.com...
Are you folks blind?:-)
Look at the post, there's only one link on there.
Regards,
Tom Barr

HINT, HINT
= www.BarrReport.com




really? We must be looking at a different site then or all be blind.
I have looked all over www.BarrReport.com and have not found this.
I have found quite a few different links and articles there, but I
have not managed
to find anything about a diy co2 reactor.

I don't mean to sound negative since you are offering this for free,
but it
is not easy to find.

Agreed - did a site search for "DIY", "CO2", "DIY CO2" and "reactor"
and it comes up with nothing.

If it is there, it's too buried and too hard to find. There is nothing
wronf my eyes as far as I know, neither my is there anything wrong
with my congnition.

Oz



If you *register*, then the search works properly.


kev

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"kev" wrote in message
...
On 14 Jan 2005, the world was enlightened by Ozdude's opinion about...
If you *register*, then the search works properly.

OK, so considering it *costs* (or so it appears to) for this information,
then shall we consider the original message subtle spam? I hope it wasn't ,
but quite frankly, I don't have the money on hand to be paying for "The Barr
Report" and I certainly don't need to be paying for information which is
possibly freely available on the Internet, or by a bit of personal thought.

I have my own flavour of CO2 "reactor" which will start it's testing next
Wednesday when I get the generator working, and I'll post it on my site and
it'll be free, without any hook to get you to go there.

Forgive me if I sound a little suspicious of Mr. Barr's motives for the post
in the first place, but if there is one thing I personally abhor it's people
making money without being up front about it. There is too much greed and
deception in the world today and I am waiting for us all to realise how
unhappy it ultimately makes you if you are in fact greedy and deceptive.
There is nothing wrong with capitalism, but you should be ethical

Sorry for the tone of this message, but I for one don't need full access to
Mr Barr's "report" even if it has astounding new information in it - I can't
imagine it does...sorry.

Oz



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Ozdude wrote:
"kev" wrote in message
...
On 14 Jan 2005, the world was enlightened by Ozdude's opinion
about...
If you *register*, then the search works properly.

OK, so considering it *costs* (or so it appears to) for this
information,
then shall we consider the original message subtle spam? I hope it
wasn't ,
but quite frankly, I don't have the money on hand to be paying for
"The Barr
Report" and I certainly don't need to be paying for information which
is
possibly freely available on the Internet, or by a bit of personal
thought.


Oz, Dude, chill (in a friendly way)

I read this entire thread again, to see what I was missing. One poster
up earlier said, "you have to register first". My first reaction was
exactely as yours. Free my ass! But then I chilled, and looked at the
site again. "Register" is free. To "subscribe" is $12. So I simply
registered and now have more access. It's free.

sincerely,
steve

"default" wrote in message
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Oz, Dude, chill (in a friendly way)

OK chilled

I am guilty, I admit of not going "in far enough" then

I read this entire thread again, to see what I was missing. One poster
up earlier said, "you have to register first". My first reaction was
exactely as yours. Free my ass! But then I chilled, and looked at the
site again. "Register" is free. To "subscribe" is $12. So I simply
registered and now have more access. It's free.

Perhaps I will register then

Regards,

Oz



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Simply registering a user name and password cost absolutely *nothing*.
Just like here...........is Goggle is unethical as well?

So what part of "free" bothers you precisely?
I said it was free, no mistake.

You cannot do many functions on sites without getting a user
name/password.

I'm trying to help you, not make a buck off of you, most folks waste
plenty more than the fee I charge on snake oil and other things, but
some like to do that.Many pay 20-30$ a year for a mag subscription,
they are lucky if they see one decent plant article.

If you search around the web over the years you will see a long history
of me giving information for free and doing above and beyond to help
perfect strangers.You might want to check things out a bit before
assuming the negative intent of others.

I do not expect anything in return except that you help someone else in
the same way.Those that are interested, will get involved.

Here's an excerp from Mike, past editor of TFH(used with his
premission) about "free" advice on the net.

by Mike Reed
Past Editor of TFH Magazine

It's amazing how treacherous the Internet can be if you are looking for
advice about keeping tropical fishes. Every now and then, I used to
visit the forums and discussion groups on "the net" and even
participated in them briefly. What I saw was that in with the simple,
sometimes good advice was an amazing amount of outdated advice and some
downright bad advice being given to all who would read and trust it.
Every now and then, somebody gave information that was startingly good
and new and useful. But these gems came from intelligent and creative
people and such people have limited time. The hacks that spend endless
time on "the net" do not like anything new or that they disagree with -
with or without evidence that it is right or wrong. So they demand
"proof" of what anybody else says that they disagree with. And the more
they get answers, the more they continue to harangue the contributor of
the information. If you have ever wondered why you do not see
well-known aquarists on the forums and discussion groups, this is the
main reason. Why spend limited time trying to help when you are simply
badgered for it. Better to just save the time and not participate. You
can do much more, much more easily by writing an article for an
aquarium magazine."

Assumptive hacks do not bug me, but the words from Mike are very
precise and to the point.

Regards,
Tom Barr

Here's an excerp from Mike, past editor of TFH(used with his
premission) about "free" advice on the net.

by Mike Reed
Past Editor of TFH Magazine

It's amazing how treacherous the Internet can be if you are looking for
advice about keeping tropical fishes. Every now and then, I used to
visit the forums and discussion groups on "the net" and even
participated in them briefly. What I saw was that in with the simple,
sometimes good advice was an amazing amount of outdated advice and some
downright bad advice being given to all who would read and trust it.
Every now and then, somebody gave information that was startingly good
and new and useful. But these gems came from intelligent and creative
people and such people have limited time. The hacks that spend endless
time on "the net" do not like anything new or that they disagree with -
with or without evidence that it is right or wrong. So they demand
"proof" of what anybody else says that they disagree with. And the more
they get answers, the more they continue to harangue the contributor of
the information. If you have ever wondered why you do not see
well-known aquarists on the forums and discussion groups, this is the
main reason. Why spend limited time trying to help when you are simply
badgered for it. Better to just save the time and not participate. You
can do much more, much more easily by writing an article for an
aquarium magazine."

Assumptive hacks do not bug me, but the words from Mike are very
precise and to the point.

When was he editor? I've never heard of him and have been wrting for TFH for years.

That he spent a small time on the net and found it uselss is no great shock,
and it's rather a slap in the face to people that do know their stuff and have
been here since posting #1 back in the 80s.

The current editor of TFH does not share his opinion. And it's not like
you can't find bad information inj any magazine. His point is valid
to the extent that "some guy on the next said xxx works" is not valid
without checking to see if that's really true. This is the nature of
research and critical thought.

I like TFH. But the net, not TFH made the fish hobby what it is today. Hell, you
can't even buy TFH in Canada. There's a lot to be said for instand uniquitous
communication. Or would you rather snail mail your question to TFH and read the answer
4 months later?



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Hi Richard,

You can email those questions to him directly.
Mike Reed, you can do the search, he sells fish foods, is active in the
marine club down in LA.

There are few folks still posting from the 80' he-)

Kinda of funny when I'm called spammer:-)
hehe TFH has some issues, which is why I write for my own web site, not
TFH, which I've written for in the past. They want permanent ownership
of your photo's and do not give much for them. Mike's comments sort of
lead me to do what I do today, things evolve.

I'd be doing quite well in this hobby without the web..... but helping
other folks is something I enjoy. I teach and do public service and do
this hobby.

No reason I should give everything away either. You either for that
matter.

Regards,
Tom Barr

wrote in message
oups.com...
Simply registering a user name and password cost absolutely *nothing*.
Just like here...........is Goggle is unethical as well?

snipped and taken on board

I'm so sorry Tom. I am very guilty of "mindlessness". In the process I
projected my generalised suspicion about people's motivation. Many
apologies. If any one on Usenet knows, it is I, about shooting your mind and
mouth off without proper investigation. I have learnt another lesson this
day, so it hasn't all been bad for me

All I can do apologise to you and tell it won't happen again. I guess I am a
bit tense about my plants, income and ability, being the novice **** that I
am

All the best and keep up the good work. FWIW I did register (Ozdude) and I
got the information for free, and for that I am very appreciative. Sorry
once again - I shall be more mindful next time.

Regards,

Oz


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Heck, we all get huffy here and there and usenet is THE place for a
good huff:-) Truer words may never be spoken:-)

No need to apologize, I'm very understanding and thicked skinned, also
very crotchety yet frinedly and tenacious. hummm okay so I'm weird, but
it's generally a good weird according to those that know me, doesn't
matter either way, I ain't changing:-).

We learn by making mistakes, hell, I've made lots, about 95% of science
is making mistakes, when you don't, then you learn what works(If you
are lucky:-).

I can see how the misunderstanding occurred, I should ahve said to
create a user name etc.

But main thing now, try to make the reactor, give it a try and see what
you think, does it suit your needs and is it good at providing good CO2
levels when you need it?

Was it easy to build ? etc......

That's more important to me, the idea, helping folks.
Take care
Tom Barr