I have successfully deleted and blocked this idiot Koi-lo from the
newsgroup. what a waste of good space! you can sure tell when the college
and high school kids are out and bored.................
maddie on the mend finally while summer careens past and spends the spring
blossoms and teases the summer showings into way too early appearances...

And that's a good thing as Martha Stewart would say.
He's been in my killfile
Thanks Maddie

Elaine
"madgardener" wrote in message
...
I have successfully deleted and blocked this idiot Koi-lo from the
newsgroup. what a waste of good space! you can sure tell when the college
and high school kids are out and bored.................
maddie on the mend finally while summer careens past and spends the spring
blossoms and teases the summer showings into way too early
appearances...

If you blocked this idiot, why are we still seeing his garbage on Thursday?

Sherwin D.

madgardener wrote:

I have successfully deleted and blocked this idiot Koi-lo from the
newsgroup. what a waste of good space! you can sure tell when the college
and high school kids are out and bored.................
maddie on the mend finally while summer careens past and spends the spring
blossoms and teases the summer showings into way too early appearances...

Look at the dates. Probably because she blocked him after the fact.
Same day I sent him to my killfile I suggest you could do the same.
Elaine
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
If you blocked this idiot, why are we still seeing his garbage on
Thursday?

Sherwin D.

madgardener wrote:

I have successfully deleted and blocked this idiot Koi-lo from the
newsgroup. what a waste of good space! you can sure tell when the
college
and high school kids are out and bored.................
maddie on the mend finally while summer careens past and spends the
spring
blossoms and teases the summer showings into way too early
appearances...

sherwindu wrote in
:

If you blocked this idiot, why are we still seeing his
garbage on Thursday?

because this is usenet & everyone is responsible for thier
own killfiles/filters. usenet is anarchy, unless you're in a
moderated group... which this is not.
Maddy can only killfile or block on her own newsreader, she's
not the Queen of Usenet (although she should be! g).
i suggest you learn how to use your filters, or download a
newsreader with better ones (Xnews is free & has good
filtering. it's also got a short learning curve)
lee
--
"Fascism would be better described as corporatism,
since it is marriage between the state and business"
- Benito Mussolini

I blocked him from MY inbox! (I couldn't block others seeing it....g)
maddie
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
If you blocked this idiot, why are we still seeing his garbage on
Thursday?

Sherwin D.

madgardener wrote:

I have successfully deleted and blocked this idiot Koi-lo from the
newsgroup. what a waste of good space! you can sure tell when the
college
and high school kids are out and bored.................
maddie on the mend finally while summer careens past and spends the
spring
blossoms and teases the summer showings into way too early
appearances...

Dunno why we don't rely on signed messages; It would solve this problem
of impersonation and SPAM. Set up a web page for users to upload their
signatures and force all users to use it..

Yea right, ya dumb clown. No body can force anybody to anything on
USENET...... get over it and learn to use your kill filte and get on
with life instead of brooding over it. Whats that you say....yur
newsreader does not have the capability to kill filter, then get a
realnewsreader if yur gonna play were there is a possiblity of things
occuring you do not approve of or else get off the internet, and go
read a paper back novel.




r/On 20 Jun 2006 13:32:38 -0700, "Vivek.M"
wrote:

Dunno why we don't rely on signed messages; It would solve this problem
of impersonation and SPAM. Set up a web page for users to upload their
signatures and force all users to use it..


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Oh I see it now, your T'd off since you use Google......real folks in
a real world use a real time news reader not a lame assed google
interface...Welcome to all the hassles you may occur. You deserve it
using google..


On 20 Jun 2006 13:32:38 -0700, "Vivek.M"
wrote:

Dunno why we don't rely on signed messages; It would solve this problem
of impersonation and SPAM. Set up a web page for users to upload their
signatures and force all users to use it..


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Hello there weird-being-who-sounds-angry, Sorry for offending you, but
i was just musing;
didn't think you'd actually keep track of this old post and wasn't
expecting anyone on rec.gardens to read what i posted, or reply to it,
so your replies come as a suprise.
Can you mark posts and be notified when new-entries crop up ? How do i
do that ?

I'm from Bangalore, India. My name is Vivek (Vee wake) and i'm a
student. I'm new here and experimenting a bit. You are partly right
about the "forcing bit"; I think i phrased that in-correctly !

I guess what i meant was: If everyone coded their news clients to
filter messages via digital-signatures, then you'd only read messages
from known entities. You could even embed the signature within the post
so there would be no problem dis-seminating the signatures. This
trouble comes with newbies; since their messages would be filtered out
with the SPAM, hence the need for a web-site where you register your
signature. This would then "force" newbies to register else they would
not be heard.

It's a silly idea though to rely on http, in the sense that you'd be
relying on http to fix nntp; A protocol should in most cases stand
alone, not rely on another protocol to fix bugs in it.

Kill-files don't really work; It's very easy to fake the headers in
newsgroups. Just go to any of a dozen free ISP's and fake the From,
Reply-To, and other fields. You'd have to block based on ISP ip, but
there are too many ISP's and you just might block legit users; It's a
kludgy solution at best.

The only thing you can trust to a certain extent is the Path: field
since that's entered by the machines handling your message. You seem to
be logging on from be5.nntpserver.

Quite honestly, I don't want to block or quarrel with you; that would
be silly ! I'm not sure if i like you, but i don't dislike you as off
now. If things did get messy i'd just ignore you ( visually speaking )
and carry on.You seem knowledgeable and i'd like to talk to you, if
that's okay with you.

I found some of your spammy-posts very intruging and that made me
lookup the rfc's to see what was going on. It's been fun all in all,
wondering what was going on and stuff *grin*.

Anyway..umm..i'll post my doubts and you can clarify if you wish to..I
suppose i could post on one of the comp forums and get my answers, but
since you have replied i just thought i might as ask my questions and
be done with it.

1. Is there a way to fake Path, without you owning a nntp server or
cracking in-to a nntp server. I don't think so, but..what do you feel ?

2. The From: field "~¤1¤ôx@ôÜ1Ô.ôôô" that's 8 bit ASCIIright?
Does "Forte" allow you to type 8 bit ASCII ?

3. What's the difference between Date and NNTP-Posting-Date? Is Date
generated by "Forte" and the Posting-Date by the first nntp/uucp server
to receive your post?

4. Is Message-ID generated by your client or by the server. RFC 850
says it's the server that first enters your post into the network;
ax.com in this case..I suspect that it's your machine hostname because
the timezone's match up -0500 is in America and ax.com is in the same
time zone (via jwhois).

Hope you can clarify.

Amen Janet. Didn't take me long to find the killfile and use it. even tho I
am a newbie on newsgroups. Thanks for clarifying the details.
Elaine
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message .com
from "Vivek.M" contains these words:


didn't think you'd actually keep track of this old post

It's not old, you posted it on June 20.

and wasn't
expecting anyone on rec.gardens to read what i posted,

Uh? You posted it to an entire public newsgroup.

Can you mark posts and be notified when new-entries crop up ? How do i
do that ?

You sem to be confused; this is not a website message board, a
chatroom, or an e-list. It's a usenet newsgroup.

Googlegroups (which you're using to acces it), is only a portal; like
looking in on a party through a window. Anyone using a newsreader (the
medium for which usenet is designed) will be shown the new posts that
their news-server collected since last time the looked. They are at the
same party you're looking in on, but able to pick and choose what they
eat and who they talk to.

Kill-files don't really work

I suspect you're thinking of email filter/killfiles.

On usenet, a good newsreader will provide a range of trap-options in
the killfile , AND a range of options for viewing thread structures
before reading posts. That combination enables the user to exclude or
bypass (unread) any repeat poster; whatever ID they are using.

On many newsgroups where the majority of users share a particular
interest and want to pursue its discussion, persistent trolls are
rapidly filtered out of their newsreaders. They may keep posting, but
unseen and unanswered by the majority. Then it becomes rather annoying
to the majority if some newbie, who fails to recognise the troll, keeps
engaging it in the same old tiresome conversations and requoting its
posts in full (by passing everyone's filters). The newbie finds the
novelty entertaining, longer term readers do not.

IME, that newbie has a very short period of grace in which to cease
playing with trolls to the detriment of the rest of the group. If he
persists, he tends to join the troll in the KF, as a means to eliminate
the trolls garbage once more. . Then the newbie finds his legitimate
posts go unanswered (because they weren't read) , and ends up talking to
himself.

Janet.

--
Isle of Arran Open Gardens weekend 21,22,23 July 2006
5 UKP three-day adult ticket (funds go to island charities) buys entry
to 26 private gardens

Holy cow ! ! Jeeze !
1.
I think i'd better offer some rapid explanations and then go back to
lurking.
2.
If spammer want's to communicate with me ( and like slugs and creepy
crawly things, i don't dislike them and could learn a lot from them..so
long as i'm careful..) please e-mail me.
3.
I will not post anymore after this ( unless it's strictly on-topic and
on gardening ), until i figure out Xnews and nntp etc. This whole
matter is closed to me after this post !!
Err..that sounds rather fierce so

Me (oldPost) - didn't think you'd actually keep track of this old post

Janet - It's not old, you posted it on June 20.
Me (oldPost) -and wasn't expecting anyone on rec.gardens to read what
i posted,
Janet - Uh? You posted it to an entire public newsgroup.

Explanation:
Well, it's like this:
1. In deja.com once i enter rec.gardens i have to constantly click
"Older topics »" ( at least 20 times/there's a short cut now on the
right panel - "new posts" ) to reach the "this idiot Koi-lo" post.

I assumed that it's fairly in-accessible to most people ( who'd want to
click and go back 15-20 pages ! ). Old is a relative term and since
there are so many new posts ( 20 pages of new posts ! ), i didn't think
anyone would notice my originally small post buried in a tiny corner of
rec.gardens !!!


Me (oldPost) - Can you mark posts and be notified when new-entries
crop up ? How do
i do that ?
Janet - You sem to be confused; this is not a website message board, a
chatroom, or an e-list. It's a usenet newsgroup.
Googlegroups (which you're
using to acces it), is only a portal; like looking in on
a party through a window.
Anyone using a newsreader (the medium for which usenet is
designed) will be
shown the new posts that their news-server collected since
last time the
looked. They are at the same party you're looking in on,
but able to pick and
choose what they eat and who they talk to.

Explanation:
Oh! I'm NOT confused and i know about uucp, nntp, nym's, newsgroups and
stuff. I've been reading up after seeing spammer's posts claiming to be
invisible etc..

But, how in tarnation did you just leap on to this post out of a
gazillion posts ! ! I've known females to be lynx eyed..anyway..i
understand now..your news client downloads all new posts and probably
informs you about it !

I assumed that it would be okay to start a quiet and off-topic private
conversation with spammer since i wasn't in everyone else's face ! But
that's not how the client works and if it's signalling everyone about
new posts ! ! !


ME Kill-files don't really work
J I suspect you're thinking of email filter/killfiles.
On usenet, a good newsreader will provide a range of trap-options
in
the killfile , AND a range of options for viewing thread structures
before reading posts. That combination enables the user to exclude
or
bypass (unread) any repeat poster; whatever ID they are using.
On many newsgroups where the majority of users share a particular
interest and want to pursue its discussion, persistent trolls are
rapidly filtered out of their newsreaders. They may keep posting,
but
unseen and unanswered by the majority.

Exp:
Well i disagree, but since experience counts; shall defer. Every part
of the header is fakeable except the ISP ip..and there are 200 odd
ISP's with free access and legit
users! Theoretically he could make our life miserable.

Then it becomes rather annoying
to the majority if some newbie, who fails to recognise the troll,
keeps
engaging it in the same old tiresome conversations and requoting its
posts in full (by passing everyone's filters). The newbie finds the
novelty entertaining, longer term readers do not.

Yeah, i found the whole thing a hoot *grin*

IME, that newbie has a very short period of grace in which to cease
playing with trolls to the detriment of the rest of the group. If he
persists, he tends to join the troll in the KF, as a means to eliminate
the trolls garbage once more. . Then the newbie finds his legitimate
posts go unanswered (because they weren't read) , and ends up talking to
himself.
Yeah i see your point, he's riding on my back so to speak. If i respond
to him, then all of you see my posts, think that i'm discussing
something cool with regards to gardening and then wham ! it's actually
a spammer thread or some thing off-topic.

It's not so, with a purely web based forum..and my thinking was along
those lines..

Very well, i shall seize and desist and many thanks ! But i do wish
that newsgroups were easier ( like IRC and the web ). We just have a
FAQ for newbies with the rules.
If the rules are broken, then kick-ban for 5-minutes and a quick link
to the rules section.

On 21 Jun 2006 07:17:44 -0700, "Vivek.M"
wrote:

Holy cow ! ! Jeeze !
1.
I think i'd better offer some rapid explanations and then go back to
lurking.
No need to lurk, participate....


2.
If spammer want's to communicate with me ( and like slugs and creepy
crawly things, i don't dislike them and could learn a lot from them..so
long as i'm careful..) please e-mail me.

Spammers usually do not want to communicate
3.
I will not post anymore after this ( unless it's strictly on-topic and
on gardening ), until i figure out Xnews and nntp etc. This whole
matter is closed to me after this post !!
Err..that sounds rather fierce so
It would not be the first time and it won;t be the last time off
topic posts are made in USENET....most folks preceede a post with "OT"
if its off topic

Me (oldPost) - didn't think you'd actually keep track of this old post
Posts from day one are easiy retreiveable on usenet

Janet - It's not old, you posted it on June 20.
Me (oldPost) -and wasn't expecting anyone on rec.gardens to read what
i posted,
Janet - Uh? You posted it to an entire public newsgroup.

Explanation:
Well, it's like this:
1. In deja.com once i enter rec.gardens i have to constantly click
"Older topics »" ( at least 20 times/there's a short cut now on the
right panel - "new posts" ) to reach the "this idiot Koi-lo" post.

I assumed that it's fairly in-accessible to most people ( who'd want to
click and go back 15-20 pages ! ). Old is a relative term and since
there are so many new posts ( 20 pages of new posts ! ), i didn't think
anyone would notice my originally small post buried in a tiny corner of
rec.gardens !!!


Most good newsreaders do not display posts by pages. So pages do not
mean a thing to most usenet users with good news readers such as agent
etc.

I admit Koi Lo is an bona fide idiot, especially the female koi
lo....but just the posts in this forum I bvet half 9of yu do not have
a clue as to how many koi los have actualy gotten posts in this fourm.
Trust me, its more than one, and more than 4.......forged headers and
all.........Who am I? YOU do not know. and some may claim they do
know, but for all you know my headers are also forged, or are they.
There is only one reason for anaya of these koi los and other off
topic posts toget inthis group and its in pursuit of a certain person
that has created a ot of headaches with her slander and lies and
attacks on the religious groups and other groups, and oflks are just
sick of her nonesense, so they go and do what they have to to make her
and her followers lives miserable as she has made theres. There is no
way yur gonna go to nay of these affected groups and read 10 or 100
posts and htink yu know whats going on, as yur gonna be wrong. This
war between Koi Lo and the others goes back over 10 years in time, and
affects alarge amount of folks...........Koi Lo's real name is
Carolyn Adamo Gulley, of Mt. Juliet, Tn. She posts from free servers
so she runs little risk of loosing na account that she pays
for........but she is quick to netcop those that go after her and have
their accounts pulled, so there fore folks forge headers adn do what
they must to stay ahead of this crazy individual, who is hell bend on
her own personal JIHAD against any that dissagree with her views.

Me (oldPost) - Can you mark posts and be notified when new-entries
crop up ? How do
i do that ?

Depends on yur newsreader...
Janet - You sem to be confused; this is not a website message board, a
chatroom, or an e-list. It's a usenet newsgroup.
Googlegroups (which you're
using to acces it), is only a portal; like looking in on
a party through a window.
Anyone using a newsreader (the medium for which usenet is
designed) will be
shown the new posts that their news-server collected since
last time the
looked. They are at the same party you're looking in on,
but able to pick and
choose what they eat and who they talk to.

Explanation:
Oh! I'm NOT confused and i know about uucp, nntp, nym's, newsgroups and
stuff. I've been reading up after seeing spammer's posts claiming to be
invisible etc..

But, how in tarnation did you just leap on to this post out of a
gazillion posts ! ! I've known females to be lynx eyed..anyway..i
understand now..your news client downloads all new posts and probably
informs you about it !

I assumed that it would be okay to start a quiet and off-topic private
conversation with spammer since i wasn't in everyone else's face ! But
that's not how the client works and if it's signalling everyone about
new posts ! ! !


ME Kill-files don't really work

Yes they do if they are thought out. They work very well
J I suspect you're thinking of email filter/killfiles.
On usenet, a good newsreader will provide a range of trap-options
in
the killfile , AND a range of options for viewing thread structures
before reading posts. That combination enables the user to exclude
or
bypass (unread) any repeat poster; whatever ID they are using.
On many newsgroups where the majority of users share a particular
interest and want to pursue its discussion, persistent trolls are
rapidly filtered out of their newsreaders. They may keep posting,
but
unseen and unanswered by the majority.

Exp:
Well i disagree, but since experience counts; shall defer. Every part
of the header is fakeable except the ISP ip..and there are 200 odd
ISP's with free access and legit
users! Theoretically he could make our life miserable.

Matters not if ISP is faked or niot, as its easy to post with certian
software and fake 99% of everything and that one legite header for ISP
is meaningless espeically sinc eyu can not get back to its origin, or
when a remailer is used.

Then it becomes rather annoying
to the majority if some newbie, who fails to recognise the troll,
keeps
engaging it in the same old tiresome conversations and requoting its
posts in full (by passing everyone's filters). The newbie finds the
novelty entertaining, longer term readers do not.

Its easy to get around 99% of all kill filters folks makes if a troll
really wants to do it.

Yeah, i found the whole thing a hoot *grin*

IME, that newbie has a very short period of grace in which to cease
playing with trolls to the detriment of the rest of the group. If he
persists, he tends to join the troll in the KF, as a means to eliminate
the trolls garbage once more. . Then the newbie finds his legitimate
posts go unanswered (because they weren't read) , and ends up talking to
himself.
Yeah i see your point, he's riding on my back so to speak. If i respond
to him, then all of you see my posts, think that i'm discussing
something cool with regards to gardening and then wham ! it's actually
a spammer thread or some thing off-topic.

It's not so, with a purely web based forum..and my thinking was along
those lines..

Very well, i shall seize and desist and many thanks ! But i do wish
that newsgroups were easier ( like IRC and the web ). We just have a
FAQ for newbies with the rules.

IMHO mIRC is mouch harder to stay in tune with since its live, and
posts or statements are gone when the groups close up.......USENET is
sort of like MIRC except the posts stick around for a long long time
in most cases and rooms or channels are not able to be dropped or
deleted at a whim.......
If the rules are broken, then kick-ban for 5-minutes and a quick link
to the rules section.


Using PGP is not a method either as its just as easy to copy paste PGP
into a forged message. PGP is not intended for usenet groups.

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