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And some people say there's no God..........
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:52:11 GMT, "Witziges Rätsel"
wrote: In Buddhism, everything we see, do, things done to us, by us is all based on previous lifetimes and how our karma ripens in this lifetime. So, with each life, provided I have enough merit to take a human rebirth, we come closer and closer to being able to reach an enlightened state and no longer have karma, the karma is fully purified after many lifetimes of practice, meditation, etc. I think you've mixed Buddhism with Hinduism. But I guess you're allowed. No I didn't. I am a student of Lama Zopa Rinpoche and Venerable Robina for years now. I've been to His Holiness' teachings and I am a practitioner. This is how we view things. Maybe you are not aware that Buddha Shakyamuni (historical Buddha) is from India and was a Hindu practitioner until he found The Middle Way. I am indeed saying that everything is void of independant arising. Everything is dependant on previous moments of itself, and is empty. Emptiness is a huge part of Buddhism's delight. I'll give an example of something they did in the film "Little Buddha." A Lama was trying to explain emptiness to a man. He filled the cup with tea then broke the cup aka the vessel for the tea. After the cup is broken, it is no longer a cup. But the tea is still tea. Contents and container. The container changes, but the contents do not. This is a basic belief and yes it does require a relative amount of faith, but it's pretty much in line with quantum physics. If you wipe the tea up off the floor with a towel, and then wring it out, you still have tea. And the cup is still a cup, just broken. It can be repaired. Apparently Buddhists think anecdotes about common things have some kind of profound meaning and are explanations, but they're not. No, it is no longer a cup because it must function as a cup to be one. Because it is empty of inherent traits, it is now a bunch of pieces of broken clay. It is no longer a cup, but the tea is still tea. Our minds are the tea. It goes from vessel to vessel. Everyone dies, but nobody is dead. How are things beginningless? Well, can you trace back your every thought and every action you did in just one day? In one hour? I mean every single thought, glimpse, notion, action, every snap of a finger etc. Again, time's an illusion. And memory, for whatever reason, is faulty. So your answer is no. You cannot. Time is a measure. Eventually when people become fully awake, time is absolutely an illusion. In life as a lay person, someone who is not enlightened still have a measure of time even if it is illusionary. Actually, the term Buddha used is delusion. We delude ourselves. This is all the pollution we are cleaning out when we meditate. Does water look clear? It's H2O, right? Not really. All water has a lot more in it that hydrogen and oxygen but we don't call the pollution H2OP45. We're still deluded and believe it is water, clear and without any other element. Buddhists say there are 64 thoughts to snapping your fingers. People can say anything. I guess you are just cranky and unwilling to believe anything nor are you willing to consider another way of thinking or experiencing. .. So look at something inanimate. Those examples are also beginningless. A simple one would be a rubber gasket. First, a person has to become interested in growing rubber trees, then then need the seeds or plants which are delivered by a truck, driven by a driver, who needs gas, which comes from refineries, which comes from oil wells, which have pipes built by people and the driver uses a truck, how many people were responsible for the building of the truck, each part, machinists, assemblers, engineers, designers, who makes the glass, how is that delivered...and this is a HUGELY brief explanation that everything is absolutely dependant on something else and the previous moment of itself. Else, we'd all be here for a moment then gone. Exactly my point: we are here for just a moment. Only "now" really exists. Nothing I said is in opposition to your contention. Each moment coming from must then come from a prior moment in order for it to be thrust into this moment. I agree there is no past, no present. By the time the two dollar gasket reaches its final destination, one is baffled that it doesn't cost a million dollars! Look at what goes into a simple pencil, trace it all back to the acorn if you can. The pencil is 25 cents. How? Amazing. So this theory is certainly more tangible than saying a man in the sky called god created everything. This method come about by deep thought and meditation, self exploration, etc. Deducing that things which happened in the past affect this moment or the future is not very amazing. It's obvious; no meditation and exploration is necessary. And it's obvious there are no gods. So you are saying you are enlightened? No exploration is necessary? How about someone who never saw a television or read a book. How do they draw a conclusion? Self exploration is always necessary for growth. But, I am coming from a different component than you are. Mine is spirituality, yours is scientific (or so it seems). I am an atheist, no doubt about it. That doesn't make me void of beliefs or faith. |
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