Hi Y'all,

A while back I mentioned a problem we are having with the local DOT
wanting to take out our water source thru our pasture. (don't remember
what thread it was on.) Got some good advice from some, but was
wondering what to do now.

For those who didn't catch it befo

We have a 20+ acre pasture outside of city/town limits. Currently we
have 9 horses and 5 cows placed there. There is a ditch, which is
actually a run-off of the South River, that runs thru the middle of the
pasture. The water source is critical, as you know for the animals
well-fare. Suddenly, (after cattle have been on that pasture for years)
DOT wants to go in and re-dig the ditch, and fill it with rocks (the big
landscaping kind). They are planning on taking out at least 5 acres of
our pasture, plus the water source. Filling it with rock will keep the
water from flowing deep enough for the cattle to cool down (cows don't
sweat, so in this heat we are having, they need at least 2-3ft of water
to stand in to cool themselves.) Finding another pasture is not an
option, can't afford to buy or rent another place. We are not getting
any help from the town or county officials. The neighbors near the
pasture don't want the work done either.

Someone on here (joe, was it? not sure..) mentioned that i should ask to
see their environmental impact report. I did, and they claim that I
don't have the right to see it. Say it's not necessary for me to see it.
They claim that the horses, *not* the cows who stand in the ditch most
of the time, are polluting the water. I don't see how, since no one has
had problems with their water locally. There have been cattle and horses
in that pasture for years, way before we ever got it to put ours on.

They plan to start their work mid-August. Is there anything else we can
do to fight this?

Thanks,
Rae

"rachael simpson" wrote in message
...
Hi Y'all,

A while back I mentioned a problem we are having with the local DOT
wanting to take out our water source thru our pasture. (don't remember
what thread it was on.) Got some good advice from some, but was wondering
what to do now.

For those who didn't catch it befo

We have a 20+ acre pasture outside of city/town limits. Currently we have
9 horses and 5 cows placed there. There is a ditch, which is actually a
run-off of the South River, that runs thru the middle of the pasture. The
water source is critical, as you know for the animals well-fare. Suddenly,
(after cattle have been on that pasture for years) DOT wants to go in and
re-dig the ditch, and fill it with rocks (the big landscaping kind). They
are planning on taking out at least 5 acres of our pasture, plus the water
source. Filling it with rock will keep the water from flowing deep enough
for the cattle to cool down (cows don't sweat, so in this heat we are
having, they need at least 2-3ft of water to stand in to cool themselves.)
Finding another pasture is not an option, can't afford to buy or rent
another place. We are not getting any help from the town or county
officials. The neighbors near the pasture don't want the work done either.

Someone on here (joe, was it? not sure..) mentioned that i should ask to
see their environmental impact report. I did, and they claim that I don't
have the right to see it. Say it's not necessary for me to see it. They
claim that the horses, *not* the cows who stand in the ditch most of the
time, are polluting the water. I don't see how, since no one has had
problems with their water locally. There have been cattle and horses in
that pasture for years, way before we ever got it to put ours on.

They plan to start their work mid-August. Is there anything else we can do
to fight this?

Thanks,
Rae


Missing information:

1) Where is "here"?

2) Your stream is a "run off"? You mean, it runs INTO the river? Yes, or no?

3) What water does the town claim is being polluted? The river? Drinking
water? Does the town get its drinking water from the river?

4) If the town does NOT get its water supply from the river, where DOES the
supply come from?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:



Missing information:

sorry....
1) Where is "here"?

sampson county, roseboro town planning/ag zone, nc

2) Your stream is a "run off"? You mean, it runs INTO the river? Yes, or no?

no, doesn't run into, it branches off the river, excess from the river
runs into the ditch, it runs thru the pasture, and dead-ends on the
other end of the pasture, about 4 acres outside of the pasture.

3) What water does the town claim is being polluted? The river? Drinking
water? Does the town get its drinking water from the river?

I have no clue, can't them to elaborate as to what is *polluted*. Have
requested to see the report myself, but to no avail...

4) If the town does NOT get its water supply from the river, where DOES the
supply come from?

Town water comes from some tributaries of the cape fear river. The cape
fear and south rivers eventually meet, but that is counties away. So i
don't think that our water would have much to do with it. I don't know,
maybe I am thinking too small frame...

"rachael simpson" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:



Missing information:

sorry....
1) Where is "here"?

sampson county, roseboro town planning/ag zone, nc

2) Your stream is a "run off"? You mean, it runs INTO the river? Yes, or
no?

no, doesn't run into, it branches off the river, excess from the river
runs into the ditch, it runs thru the pasture, and dead-ends on the other
end of the pasture, about 4 acres outside of the pasture.

3) What water does the town claim is being polluted? The river? Drinking
water? Does the town get its drinking water from the river?

I have no clue, can't them to elaborate as to what is *polluted*. Have
requested to see the report myself, but to no avail...

4) If the town does NOT get its water supply from the river, where DOES
the supply come from?

Town water comes from some tributaries of the cape fear river. The cape
fear and south rivers eventually meet, but that is counties away. So i
don't think that our water would have much to do with it. I don't know,
maybe I am thinking too small frame...


OK. Step #1 is to call this governmental office:
http://www.enr.state.nc.us/

You need to find out if it's true that you "don't have the right to see the
environmental impact report". If you speak to someone who sounds unsure of
themselves, ask for their supervisor. If you continue having problems, tell
them your next phone call will be to the news departments of local TV
stations.

Step #2 is to drive around and see who, if anyone, lives where the stream
dead-ends. If nobody lives there, and maybe has a well for drinking water,
then something stinks really bad here.

In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"rachael simpson" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:



Missing information:

sorry....
1) Where is "here"?

sampson county, roseboro town planning/ag zone, nc

2) Your stream is a "run off"? You mean, it runs INTO the river? Yes, or
no?

no, doesn't run into, it branches off the river, excess from the river
runs into the ditch, it runs thru the pasture, and dead-ends on the other
end of the pasture, about 4 acres outside of the pasture.

3) What water does the town claim is being polluted? The river? Drinking
water? Does the town get its drinking water from the river?

I have no clue, can't them to elaborate as to what is *polluted*. Have
requested to see the report myself, but to no avail...

4) If the town does NOT get its water supply from the river, where DOES
the supply come from?

Town water comes from some tributaries of the cape fear river. The cape
fear and south rivers eventually meet, but that is counties away. So i
don't think that our water would have much to do with it. I don't know,
maybe I am thinking too small frame...


OK. Step #1 is to call this governmental office:
http://www.enr.state.nc.us/

You need to find out if it's true that you "don't have the right to see the
environmental impact report". If you speak to someone who sounds unsure of
themselves, ask for their supervisor. If you continue having problems, tell
them your next phone call will be to the news departments of local TV
stations.

Step #2 is to drive around and see who, if anyone, lives where the stream
dead-ends. If nobody lives there, and maybe has a well for drinking water,
then something stinks really bad here.

Or your representatives in the state legislature. As Joe says, always
ask for the supervisor. If it gets to the supervisor, everybody knows
that the flunky didn't do their job. Bye-bye flunkie.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

OK. Step #1 is to call this governmental office:
http://www.enr.state.nc.us/

ok, will do.

You need to find out if it's true that you "don't have the right to see the
environmental impact report". If you speak to someone who sounds unsure of
themselves, ask for their supervisor. If you continue having problems, tell
them your next phone call will be to the news departments of local TV
stations.

calling local news is an option i have been considering.


Step #2 is to drive around and see who, if anyone, lives where the stream
dead-ends. If nobody lives there, and maybe has a well for drinking water,
then something stinks really bad here.

There are a few area houses, but they are all on town water now.

forgot to mention, don't know if it makes a difference or not, there is
a right-a-way in place, due to electric company lines skirting the
pasture on one side.

the town has been doing a "revitalization" in that general area. We
suspect that they are trying to drive us out, because of the land being
right outside of the current town limits. Also another factor is that
my uncle and his wife are the town manager and chief administrator,
respectively, and they are upset that pops left those few cows to us,
instead of all to them & theirs. So we have had no help on the local
government level.

"rachael simpson" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

OK. Step #1 is to call this governmental office:
http://www.enr.state.nc.us/

ok, will do.

You need to find out if it's true that you "don't have the right to see
the environmental impact report". If you speak to someone who sounds
unsure of themselves, ask for their supervisor. If you continue having
problems, tell them your next phone call will be to the news departments
of local TV stations.

calling local news is an option i have been considering.


Step #2 is to drive around and see who, if anyone, lives where the stream
dead-ends. If nobody lives there, and maybe has a well for drinking
water, then something stinks really bad here.

There are a few area houses, but they are all on town water now.

forgot to mention, don't know if it makes a difference or not, there is a
right-a-way in place, due to electric company lines skirting the pasture
on one side.

the town has been doing a "revitalization" in that general area. We
suspect that they are trying to drive us out, because of the land being
right outside of the current town limits. Also another factor is that my
uncle and his wife are the town manager and chief administrator,
respectively, and they are upset that pops left those few cows to us,
instead of all to them & theirs. So we have had no help on the local
government level.


Bells ringing. We may have an answer here. Which developer is cozy with your
uncle and his wife, and wants you out?

In article ,
rachael simpson wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

OK. Step #1 is to call this governmental office:
http://www.enr.state.nc.us/

ok, will do.

You need to find out if it's true that you "don't have the right to see the
environmental impact report". If you speak to someone who sounds unsure of
themselves, ask for their supervisor. If you continue having problems, tell
them your next phone call will be to the news departments of local TV
stations.

calling local news is an option i have been considering.


Step #2 is to drive around and see who, if anyone, lives where the stream
dead-ends. If nobody lives there, and maybe has a well for drinking water,
then something stinks really bad here.

There are a few area houses, but they are all on town water now.

forgot to mention, don't know if it makes a difference or not, there is
a right-a-way in place, due to electric company lines skirting the
pasture on one side.

the town has been doing a "revitalization" in that general area. We
suspect that they are trying to drive us out, because of the land being
right outside of the current town limits. Also another factor is that
my uncle and his wife are the town manager and chief administrator,
respectively, and they are upset that pops left those few cows to us,
instead of all to them & theirs. So we have had no help on the local
government level.

Take it to the county level, then to the state level, and if need be to
your Representative and Senators. Google "eminent domain", think you'll
find groups who are tryin' to make a stink about this. Point is,
hopefully, if you make a big enough stink, they'll find another way of
doing, what ever it is that they want to do, with a little more privacy.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

On Jul 23, 8:37?am, rachael simpson
wrote:
Hi Y'all,

A while back I mentioned a problem we are having with the local DOT
wanting to take out our water source thru our pasture. (don't remember
what thread it was on.) Got some good advice from some, but was
wondering what to do now.

For those who didn't catch it befo

We have a 20+ acre pasture outside of city/town limits. Currently we
have 9 horses and 5 cows placed there. There is a ditch, which is
actually a run-off of the South River, that runs thru the middle of the
pasture. The water source is critical, as you know for the animals
well-fare. Suddenly, (after cattle have been on that pasture for years)
DOT wants to go in and re-dig the ditch, and fill it with rocks (the big
landscaping kind). They are planning on taking out at least 5 acres of
our pasture, plus the water source. Filling it with rock will keep the
water from flowing deep enough for the cattle to cool down (cows don't
sweat, so in this heat we are having, they need at least 2-3ft of water
to stand in to cool themselves.) Finding another pasture is not an
option, can't afford to buy or rent another place. We are not getting
any help from the town or county officials. The neighbors near the
pasture don't want the work done either.

Someone on here (joe, was it? not sure..) mentioned that i should ask to
see their environmental impact report. I did, and they claim that I
don't have the right to see it. Say it's not necessary for me to see it.
They claim that the horses, *not* the cows who stand in the ditch most
of the time, are polluting the water. I don't see how, since no one has
had problems with their water locally. There have been cattle and horses
in that pasture for years, way before we ever got it to put ours on.

They plan to start their work mid-August. Is there anything else we can
do to fight this?

I gather from your writing that you don't actually own this 20 acre
pasture, but by some agreement you have access. And even if you do
own it if that land is designated as "Wetlands" (which is likely)
there is nothing you can do... I'm surprised the state is permitting
anyone to keep livestock there, perhaps they haven't inspected
recently and/or the local inspector turns a blind eye. If that
acreage is indeed wetlands I were you I'd not make a ruckus, I'd
quietly (and quickly) find somewhere else to keep my animals lest you
get hit with some stiff penalties and the clean up costs, which can be
staggering. And if you're using someone's land by verbal agreement
you can bet the owner will never admit to even knowing you. Among
other issues (erosion, etc.) wetlands are designated as such because
of how they affect other bodies of water and especially water tables,
most especially with coliform from livestock.

Sheldon wrote:


I gather from your writing that you don't actually own this 20 acre
pasture, but by some agreement you have access. And even if you do
own it if that land is designated as "Wetlands" (which is likely)
there is nothing you can do... I'm surprised the state is permitting
anyone to keep livestock there, perhaps they haven't inspected
recently and/or the local inspector turns a blind eye. If that
acreage is indeed wetlands I were you I'd not make a ruckus, I'd
quietly (and quickly) find somewhere else to keep my animals lest you
get hit with some stiff penalties and the clean up costs, which can be
staggering. And if you're using someone's land by verbal agreement
you can bet the owner will never admit to even knowing you. Among
other issues (erosion, etc.) wetlands are designated as such because
of how they affect other bodies of water and especially water tables,
most especially with coliform from livestock.



To start with, we had a legal contract to the land. Laywers took care of
this. It was a rental contract to begin with. The owner decided after 5
years of constant payment, we did not have to pay anymore to continue
using it. Had another document drawn-up, stating that we had paid in
full, and the land was legally ours, with the exception that he & his
wife have lifetime rights. We will own the area his house is own then,
also. For now, we help him keep his yard and garden up. We hold the deed
to the whole area of 32 acres.

No, it is not wetland area. Not according to the county maps and land
office anyway. I have had that checked.

Cattle have been on that exact spot for generations. It has been a
pasture for at least 80 years. The man we got it from, his family had
that place before him. He is 84 and says that when he was a child, his
grand-father and father had cattle there.

rachael simpson wrote:
Sheldon wrote:

I gather from your writing that you don't actually own this 20 acre
pasture, but by some agreement you have access. *And even if you do
own it if that land is designated as "Wetlands" (which is likely)
there is nothing you can do... I'm surprised the state is permitting
anyone to keep livestock there, perhaps they haven't inspected
recently and/or the local inspector turns a blind eye. *If that
acreage is indeed wetlands I were you I'd not make a ruckus, I'd
quietly (and quickly) find somewhere else to keep my animals lest you
get hit with some stiff penalties and the clean up costs, which can be
staggering. *And if you're using someone's land by verbal agreement
you can bet the owner will never admit to even knowing you. *Among
other issues (erosion, etc.) wetlands are designated as such because
of how they affect other bodies of water and especially water tables,
most especially with coliform from livestock.

To start with, we had a legal contract to the land. Laywers took care of
this. It was a rental contract to begin with. The owner decided after 5
years of constant payment, we did not have to pay anymore to continue
using it. Had another document drawn-up, stating that we had paid in
full, and the land was legally ours, with the exception that he & his
wife have lifetime rights. We will own the area his house is own then,
also. For now, we help him keep his yard and garden up. We hold the deed
to the whole area of 32 acres.

That doesn't sound kosher to me, no one "takes care of" title
transfer. You had no closing and paid no consideration, did no title
search to discover if the land is even clear of encumberences and who
the legal owner is. You cannot so simply acquire land ownership by
say so... even a tax search would need to be conducted, someone is
always liable for taxes, always the owner of record.

No, it is not wetland area. Not according to the county maps and land
office anyway. I have had that checked.

You had it checked or checked it yourself, which?

Cattle have been on that exact spot for generations. It has been a
pasture for at least 80 years. The man we got it from, his family had
that place before him. He is 84 and says that when he was a child, his
grand-father and father had cattle there

Who cares, that's a bunch of red herring if I ever smelled one.

You said you "have" a 20 acre pasture instead of saying you *own* a 20
acre pasture. If you actually owned that land you would have said
*owned*, and then no way would any agency come on your land and do the
kind of work you describe, not unless there exists a wetlands easement
for remedial work, or some kind of easement. If there actually was a
recent deed transfer you'd absolutely know of any incumberances,
especially easements and ROWs, they'd be accurately indicated right on
the deed, even if there were no recent survey.

Your way of expressing yourself does not make you believeable. I've
bought and sold too may pieces of real estate in my life to not
recognize BS. No one turns over 20 acres, and then another 10 acres
and with their home, just because as you claim you've been paying rent
to keep a few head of livestock in a pasture for five years (no one
keeps livestock with no shelter). I don't care about what others wish
to believe but I for one do not believe your story, not a word.

Sheldon wrote:
rachael simpson wrote:
Sheldon wrote:

I gather from your writing that you don't actually own this 20 acre
pasture, but by some agreement you have access. �And even if you do
own it if that land is designated as "Wetlands" (which is likely)
there is nothing you can do... I'm surprised the state is permitting
anyone to keep livestock there, perhaps they haven't inspected
recently and/or the local inspector turns a blind eye. �If that
acreage is indeed wetlands I were you I'd not make a ruckus, I'd
quietly (and quickly) find somewhere else to keep my animals lest you
get hit with some stiff penalties and the clean up costs, which can be
staggering. �And if you're using someone's land by verbal agreement
you can bet the owner will never admit to even knowing you. �Among
other issues (erosion, etc.) wetlands are designated as such because
of how they affect other bodies of water and especially water tables,
most especially with coliform from livestock.
To start with, we had a legal contract to the land. Laywers took care of
this. It was a rental contract to begin with. The owner decided after 5
years of constant payment, we did not have to pay anymore to continue
using it. Had another document drawn-up, stating that we had paid in
full, and the land was legally ours, with the exception that he & his
wife have lifetime rights. We will own the area his house is own then,
also. For now, we help him keep his yard and garden up. We hold the deed
to the whole area of 32 acres.

That doesn't sound kosher to me, no one "takes care of" title
transfer. You had no closing and paid no consideration, did no title
search to discover if the land is even clear of encumberences and who
the legal owner is. You cannot so simply acquire land ownership by
say so... even a tax search would need to be conducted, someone is
always liable for taxes, always the owner of record.

you may choose to 'take care of' such things yourself, but we don't. the
man we got it from wanted it this way, we were getting a deal, we went
along.

No, it is not wetland area. Not according to the county maps and land
office anyway. I have had that checked.

You had it checked or checked it yourself, which?

both.

Cattle have been on that exact spot for generations. It has been a
pasture for at least 80 years. The man we got it from, his family had
that place before him. He is 84 and says that when he was a child, his
grand-father and father had cattle there

Who cares, that's a bunch of red herring if I ever smelled one.

You said you "have" a 20 acre pasture instead of saying you *own* a 20
acre pasture. If you actually owned that land you would have said
*owned*, and then no way would any agency come on your land and do the
kind of work you describe, not unless there exists a wetlands easement
for remedial work, or some kind of easement. If there actually was a
recent deed transfer you'd absolutely know of any incumberances,
especially easements and ROWs, they'd be accurately indicated right on
the deed, even if there were no recent survey.

Your way of expressing yourself does not make you believeable. I've
bought and sold too may pieces of real estate in my life to not
recognize BS. No one turns over 20 acres, and then another 10 acres
and with their home, just because as you claim you've been paying rent
to keep a few head of livestock in a pasture for five years (no one
keeps livestock with no shelter). I don't care about what others wish
to believe but I for one do not believe your story, not a word.


do you ever believe anything anyway? i said *have*, not owned, because
that's the way i talk, i type like i talk. I have kids, i don't own
them. I have a van, my hubby and i have a home, we have another van
together, and he *has* 2 trucks. should i name the tractors and
equipment we *have* also? if i was talking to you face to face, i would
have said it the same way that i typed it, if you would even let me get
a word in edgewise. the horses and cows have a shelter (more than one)
too by the way, didn't think that was an important fact to state in my
question. also, if you read the thread, then you will notice that i
stated there is a ROW in place, for the electric company to care for
lines. i don't know about where you are, but here when the state wants
to do some form of work to a ditch, they do it. sometimes we get
notices, sometimes we don't...depends on what type work, and if it's
fenced in.

oh, and you don't know what the price of the rent each quarter was. it
justifies our *ownership*. besides, the man is a millionaire, a founding
father of our area and county. his kids didn't want the place, they have
lives elsewhere, and he is *nice*. something you obviously know nothing
about.

rae

In article ,
rachael simpson wrote:

Sheldon wrote:
rachael simpson wrote:
Sheldon wrote:

I gather from your writing that you don't actually own this 20 acre
pasture, but by some agreement you have access. ?And even if you do
own it if that land is designated as "Wetlands" (which is likely)
there is nothing you can do... I'm surprised the state is permitting
anyone to keep livestock there, perhaps they haven't inspected
recently and/or the local inspector turns a blind eye. ?If that
acreage is indeed wetlands I were you I'd not make a ruckus, I'd
quietly (and quickly) find somewhere else to keep my animals lest you
get hit with some stiff penalties and the clean up costs, which can be
staggering. ?And if you're using someone's land by verbal agreement
you can bet the owner will never admit to even knowing you. ?Among
other issues (erosion, etc.) wetlands are designated as such because
of how they affect other bodies of water and especially water tables,
most especially with coliform from livestock.
To start with, we had a legal contract to the land. Laywers took care of
this. It was a rental contract to begin with. The owner decided after 5
years of constant payment, we did not have to pay anymore to continue
using it. Had another document drawn-up, stating that we had paid in
full, and the land was legally ours, with the exception that he & his
wife have lifetime rights. We will own the area his house is own then,
also. For now, we help him keep his yard and garden up. We hold the deed
to the whole area of 32 acres.

That doesn't sound kosher to me, no one "takes care of" title
transfer. You had no closing and paid no consideration, did no title
search to discover if the land is even clear of encumberences and who
the legal owner is. You cannot so simply acquire land ownership by
say so... even a tax search would need to be conducted, someone is
always liable for taxes, always the owner of record.

you may choose to 'take care of' such things yourself, but we don't. the
man we got it from wanted it this way, we were getting a deal, we went
along.

No, it is not wetland area. Not according to the county maps and land
office anyway. I have had that checked.

You had it checked or checked it yourself, which?

both.

Cattle have been on that exact spot for generations. It has been a
pasture for at least 80 years. The man we got it from, his family had
that place before him. He is 84 and says that when he was a child, his
grand-father and father had cattle there

Who cares, that's a bunch of red herring if I ever smelled one.

You said you "have" a 20 acre pasture instead of saying you *own* a 20
acre pasture. If you actually owned that land you would have said
*owned*, and then no way would any agency come on your land and do the
kind of work you describe, not unless there exists a wetlands easement
for remedial work, or some kind of easement. If there actually was a
recent deed transfer you'd absolutely know of any incumberances,
especially easements and ROWs, they'd be accurately indicated right on
the deed, even if there were no recent survey.

Your way of expressing yourself does not make you believeable. I've
bought and sold too may pieces of real estate in my life to not
recognize BS. No one turns over 20 acres, and then another 10 acres
and with their home, just because as you claim you've been paying rent
to keep a few head of livestock in a pasture for five years (no one
keeps livestock with no shelter). I don't care about what others wish
to believe but I for one do not believe your story, not a word.


do you ever believe anything anyway? i said *have*, not owned, because
that's the way i talk, i type like i talk. I have kids, i don't own
them. I have a van, my hubby and i have a home, we have another van
together, and he *has* 2 trucks. should i name the tractors and
equipment we *have* also? if i was talking to you face to face, i would
have said it the same way that i typed it, if you would even let me get
a word in edgewise. the horses and cows have a shelter (more than one)
too by the way, didn't think that was an important fact to state in my
question. also, if you read the thread, then you will notice that i
stated there is a ROW in place, for the electric company to care for
lines. i don't know about where you are, but here when the state wants
to do some form of work to a ditch, they do it. sometimes we get
notices, sometimes we don't...depends on what type work, and if it's
fenced in.

oh, and you don't know what the price of the rent each quarter was. it
justifies our *ownership*. besides, the man is a millionaire, a founding
father of our area and county. his kids didn't want the place, they have
lives elsewhere, and he is *nice*. something you obviously know nothing
about.

rae

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conceive.

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rachael simpson wrote:
you may choose to 'take care of' such things yourself, but we don't. the
man we got it from wanted it this way, we were getting a deal, we went
along.

Oh, honey. I gotta tell ya, I'm with Sheldon on this. Title transfers
*can* just happen as the result of a quit claim, but only if your name
is on the deed to start with or the deed is given over to you
specifically. You would know if this had happened. You would get the tax
bill. Ask the county for a copy of your deed.

Don't get the tax bill? Wow, you really did get a deal, didn't you!



do you ever believe anything anyway? i said *have*, not owned, because
that's the way i talk, i type like i talk. I have kids, i don't own
them. I have a van, my hubby and i have a home, we have another van
together, and he *has* 2 trucks. should i name the tractors and
equipment we *have* also? if i was talking to you face to face, i would
have said it the same way that i typed it, if you would even let me get
a word in edgewise. the horses and cows have a shelter (more than one)
too by the way, didn't think that was an important fact to state in my
question. also, if you read the thread, then you will notice that i
stated there is a ROW in place, for the electric company to care for
lines. i don't know about where you are, but here when the state wants
to do some form of work to a ditch, they do it. sometimes we get
notices, sometimes we don't...depends on what type work, and if it's
fenced in.

oh, and you don't know what the price of the rent each quarter was. it
justifies our *ownership*. besides, the man is a millionaire, a founding
father of our area and county. his kids didn't want the place, they have
lives elsewhere, and he is *nice*. something you obviously know nothing
about.

At the end of all of this, it matters little what you *have*. What will
matter is what you can *prove*. The amount of rent you paid means squat
if you can't prove it was applied toward the purchase of the land, and
there is no ownership if you don't have the deed in your name. And
though the millionaire founding father may be the nicest man in town,
it's always wise to do a survey and title search. Don't take anybody's
word for things, no matter what the local lore is.

On Jul 24, 5:20�pm, rachael simpson
wrote:
Sheldon wrote:
rachael simpson wrote:
Sheldon wrote:

I gather from your writing that you don't actually own this 20 acre
pasture, but by some agreement you have access. And even if you do
own it if that land is designated as "Wetlands" (which is likely)
there is nothing you can do... I'm surprised the state is permitting
anyone to keep livestock there, perhaps they haven't inspected
recently and/or the local inspector turns a blind eye. If that
acreage is indeed wetlands I were you I'd not make a ruckus, I'd
quietly (and quickly) find somewhere else to keep my animals lest you
get hit with some stiff penalties and the clean up costs, which can be
staggering. And if you're using someone's land by verbal agreement
you can bet the owner will never admit to even knowing you. Among
other issues (erosion, etc.) wetlands are designated as such because
of how they affect other bodies of water and especially water tables,
most especially with coliform from livestock.
To start with, we had a legal contract to the land. Laywers took care of
this. It was a rental contract to begin with. The owner decided after 5
years of constant payment, we did not have to pay anymore to continue
using it. Had another document drawn-up, stating that we had paid in
full, and the land was legally ours, with the exception that he & his
wife have lifetime rights. We will own the area his house is own then,
also. For now, we help him keep his yard and garden up. We hold the deed
to the whole area of 32 acres.

That doesn't sound kosher to me, no one "takes care of" title
transfer. *You had no closing and paid no consideration, did no title
search to discover if the land is even clear of encumberences and who
the legal owner is. *You cannot so simply acquire land ownership by
say so... even a tax search would need to be conducted, someone is
always liable for taxes, always the owner of record.

you may choose to 'take care of' such things yourself, but we don't. the
man we got it from wanted it this way, we were getting a deal, we went
along.

No, it is not wetland area. Not according to the county maps and land
office anyway. I have had that checked.

You had it checked or checked it yourself, which?

both.





Cattle have been on that exact spot for generations. It has been a
pasture for at least 80 years. The man we got it from, his family had
that place before him. He is 84 and says that when he was a child, his
grand-father and father had cattle there

Who cares, that's a bunch of red herring if I ever smelled one.

You said you "have" a 20 acre pasture instead of saying you *own* a 20
acre pasture. *If you actually owned that land you would have said
*owned*, and then no way would any agency come on your land and do the
kind of work you describe, not unless there exists a wetlands easement
for remedial work, or some kind of easement. *If there actually was a
recent deed transfer you'd absolutely know of any incumberances,
especially easements and ROWs, they'd be accurately indicated right on
the deed, even if there were no recent survey.

Your way of expressing yourself does not make you believeable. *I've
bought and sold too may pieces of real estate in my life to not
recognize BS. *No one turns over 20 acres, and then another 10 acres
and with their home, just because as you claim you've been paying rent
to keep a few head of livestock in a pasture for five years (no one
keeps livestock with no shelter). *I don't care about what others wish
to believe but I for one do not believe your story, not a word.

do you ever believe anything anyway? i said *have*, not owned, because
that's the way i talk, i type like i talk. I have kids, i don't own
them. I have a van, my hubby and i have a home, we have another van
together, and he *has* 2 trucks. should i name the tractors and
equipment we *have* also? if i was talking to you face to face, i would
have said it the same way that i typed it, if you would even let me get
a word in edgewise. the horses and cows have a shelter (more than one)
too by the way, didn't think that was an important fact to state in my
question. also, if you read the thread, then you will notice that i
stated there is a ROW in place, for the electric company to care for
lines. *i don't know about where you are, but here when the state wants
to do some form of work to a ditch, they do it. sometimes we get
notices, sometimes we don't...depends on what type work, and if it's
fenced in.

oh, and you don't know what the price of the rent each quarter was. *it
justifies our *ownership*. besides, the man is a millionaire, a founding
father of our area and county. his kids didn't want the place, they have
lives elsewhere, and he is *nice*. something you obviously know nothing
about.

You concoct answers for everything, after the fact... another reason
why I don't believe you. This is usenet, people can post whatever
they like, but no one is under the onus to believe everything posted.
I happen to believe most posters, but not you. Sometimes when you
glom a $20 cart that everyone else pays $80 for it's best not to brag
about it. And now you're bragging about how you acquired 32 acres of
free land along with a millionair's home. I think a lot of posters
don't believe you, they're just not so frank as I. You seem to have
this proclivity for having to top everyone else, just like barroom one
upmanship... but you're not happy to claim you got a good bargain, you
have to say you stole it.

Rich folk don't give away their stuff so easily, that's how they got
rich... you just keep digging yourself a deeper hole.

From perusing your onslaught of pretensions by now I think you're a
patent liar, actually I think you're quite ill because you literally
believe your own lies. Okay, let's not say lies (too benign a word),
gross exaggerations are what you tell.