We burn our paper trash (in the same barrel in which we burn wood for
barbecues) and we had to do something with the accumulated ashes. My
wife had our son go through this elaborate process of mixing the ash with
specific proportions of regular dirt (mostly clay in our not-so-arable
area) and sand, saying that the ashes can provide useful nutrients to the
garden but in high concentrations can be destructive.

I asked for details on what amounts of ash are good for the garden (or,
for that matter, the water lines running under the garden from the well
to our house) and what amounts are corrosive, and she couldn't be more
specific.

A quick google turns up nothing useful, only discussions about what kinds
of paper are good for composting unburned. What with food wrappers,
computer printouts (I work out of a home office), and junk mail we
generate way too much paper trash to be able to compost it directly even
with the help of our worm colony. So no matter what, we're going to be
burning most of this stuff and need to do something with the ashes.

So... what is and isn't safe to do with a big pile of ashes that includes
crispy shreds of what used to be white paper, colored paper, cardboard,
wood scraps, and bits of cellophane from windowed envelopes? I should
probably mention that we live on 8 acres outside city limits and there
are no applicable covenants in this neighborhood.

--
Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
If you must reply by email, you can reach me by placing zeroes
where you see stars: wypbs_**2 at steigerfamily.com.

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:55:51 -0500, Dave sez:

Only burn low print paper. Stay away from high color ink paper always.
Cellophane is oil based, don't burn it. Wood and described paper is
okay.

Well, that's a whole different topic - whether it's worth our time and
effort to individually cut out the cellophane windows that represent
(WAG) 0.1% of the paper trash we burn, or go ahead and throw it in with
the paper on the hopes that it's too small an amount to do any damage, or
just give up and throw the envelopes in the landfill - paper, plastic,
and all.

My question was not whether we should or shouldn't burn the various items
described (although I'm open to improving my priorities on that subject
as well) but whether it's safe to put the resulting ashes in our garden
or if they should be disposed of some other way.

--
Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
If you must reply by email, you can reach me by placing zeroes
where you see stars: wypbs_**2 at steigerfamily.com.

--
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"Peter B. Steiger" wrote in message
news
We burn our paper trash (in the same barrel in which we burn wood for
barbecues) and we had to do something with the accumulated ashes. My
wife had our son go through this elaborate process of mixing the ash with
specific proportions of regular dirt (mostly clay in our not-so-arable
area) and sand, saying that the ashes can provide useful nutrients to the
garden but in high concentrations can be destructive.

I asked for details on what amounts of ash are good for the garden (or,
for that matter, the water lines running under the garden from the well
to our house) and what amounts are corrosive, and she couldn't be more
specific.

A quick google turns up nothing useful, only discussions about what kinds
of paper are good for composting unburned. What with food wrappers,
computer printouts (I work out of a home office), and junk mail we
generate way too much paper trash to be able to compost it directly even
with the help of our worm colony. So no matter what, we're going to be
burning most of this stuff and need to do something with the ashes.

So... what is and isn't safe to do with a big pile of ashes that includes
crispy shreds of what used to be white paper, colored paper, cardboard,
wood scraps, and bits of cellophane from windowed envelopes? I should
probably mention that we live on 8 acres outside city limits and there
are no applicable covenants in this neighborhood.

--
Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
If you must reply by email, you can reach me by placing zeroes
where you see stars: wypbs_**2 at steigerfamily.com.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Only burn low print paper. Stay away from high color ink paper always.
Cellophane is oil based, don't burn it. Wood and described paper is okay.

Usenet is free. No need to subscribe to something that doesn't use a
newsreader.
Dave

On 01 Aug 2007 23:14:10 GMT, "Peter B. Steiger"
wrote:

We burn our paper trash (in the same barrel in which we burn wood for
barbecues) and we had to do something with the accumulated ashes. My
wife had our son go through this elaborate process of mixing the ash with
specific proportions of regular dirt (mostly clay in our not-so-arable
area) and sand, saying that the ashes can provide useful nutrients to the
garden but in high concentrations can be destructive.

I asked for details on what amounts of ash are good for the garden (or,
for that matter, the water lines running under the garden from the well
to our house) and what amounts are corrosive, and she couldn't be more
specific.

A quick google turns up nothing useful, only discussions about what kinds
of paper are good for composting unburned. What with food wrappers,
computer printouts (I work out of a home office), and junk mail we
generate way too much paper trash to be able to compost it directly even
with the help of our worm colony. So no matter what, we're going to be
burning most of this stuff and need to do something with the ashes.

So... what is and isn't safe to do with a big pile of ashes that includes
crispy shreds of what used to be white paper, colored paper, cardboard,
wood scraps, and bits of cellophane from windowed envelopes? I should
probably mention that we live on 8 acres outside city limits and there
are no applicable covenants in this neighborhood.

--
Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY


Ashes are a good addition to acidic soil. But if your soil is
neutral, adding ashes can make the soil alkaline (many plants prefer
slightly acidic or neutral soil). Test your pH then add ashes
sparingly. Ashes, when mixed with grease, make soap.

My wife had our son go through this elaborate process of mixing the
ash with specific proportions of regular dirt (mostly clay in our
not-so-arable area) and sand, saying that the ashes can provide useful
nutrients to the garden but in high concentrations can be destructive.

That's a good rule of thumb for a lot of things you are tempted to add
to a garden.

The more "scientific" way would actually involve measuring what your
particular ash is like, what your soil is like, etc. Not necessarily
a bad idea. But at some point one usually ends up with a certain
amount of guesswork and "well, things seemed to grow when we did it".

"Peter B. Steiger" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:55:51 -0500, Dave sez:

Only burn low print paper. Stay away from high color ink paper always.
Cellophane is oil based, don't burn it. Wood and described paper is
okay.

Well, that's a whole different topic - whether it's worth our time and
effort to individually cut out the cellophane windows that represent
(WAG) 0.1% of the paper trash we burn, or go ahead and throw it in with
the paper on the hopes that it's too small an amount to do any damage, or
just give up and throw the envelopes in the landfill - paper, plastic,
and all.

My question was not whether we should or shouldn't burn the various items
described (although I'm open to improving my priorities on that subject
as well) but whether it's safe to put the resulting ashes in our garden
or if they should be disposed of some other way.

--
Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
If you must reply by email, you can reach me by placing zeroes
where you see stars: wypbs_**2 at steigerfamily.com.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Okay, point taken. You can burn your pet cat and throw him in the garden.
Best to just bury as is.
Dave

"Peter B. Steiger" wrote in message
news
We burn our paper trash (in the same barrel in which we burn wood for
barbecues) and we had to do something with the accumulated ashes. My
wife had our son go through this elaborate process of mixing the ash with
specific proportions of regular dirt (mostly clay in our not-so-arable
area) and sand, saying that the ashes can provide useful nutrients to the
garden but in high concentrations can be destructive.

The ash is high in the element Potassium. I am not sure about the other
elements. If you mixed ash with composted wood chips and leaves it may be
helpful.

Other than that as far as mulch goes:

Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch"

Potassium is an essential element. Remember you can put an element in a
nutrient but you can't put a nutrient is an element. Its like you can put a
file into a folder but you can't put a faolder in a file.

More on element verses nutrient.
Food is a substance that provides and energy source, mostly. Nutrient is a
substance that provides an energy source, elements, and other substances
essential for life, in types and amounts that can provide a healthy life.
Fertilizer is a substance that provides elements, as salts mostly, or in
bonded forms, that require microorganisms to alter to forms that can be
absorbed by plants. I do not call elements - nutrients, however nutrients
would contain elements. You can put a file in a folder but you can't put a
folder in a file. A list of elements can be found he
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...US211%26sa%3DX

17 Elements For Life - Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Phosphorus,
Potassium, Calcium, Sulfur, Magnesium, Manganese, Iron, Copper, Boron,
Molybdenum, Chlorine, Zinc, Nickel [Sodium, Cobalt, Selenium?]

14 essential elements are obtained by trees from the soil. I do not have a
list of which ones they are.

Wood is the substrate of the base of the food web, the mycorrhizal fungi.
Mycorrhizae tend to be abundant in composted wood such as nurse logs. We
had great success at tree biology workshops finding mycorrhizae during dryer
times, in and about nurse logs. I believe, you don't have to agree with it,
please, just think. I think that by applying mulch as I recommend under
mulch here that you facilitate the mycorrhizae rather than just adding what
I believe you mean as humus, over a lawn. Not that its bad in any way,
adding humus i.e..

Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch"

Did I say - Mycorrhizae are organs that facilitate the absorption of
elements essential for healthy growth. Mycorrhizae resist the Demons Of D.
Mycorrhizae facilitate the absorption of elements. Demons of D are those
things that add up to the big D word DEATH. E.g., Depletion, disruption,
and dysfunction. Elements can be depleted. Disruption, you get hit my a
Mac truck. Dysfunction, some organ such as mycorrhizae may not function.


Major Elements C; H; N; O; P; K; S; Mg; Ni; Fe; Ca; Zn; Mo; Mn; B; Cl; Cu

There is the law of the minimum. It states the element that is deficient
the most, would be the determining factor in the health of the tree.

I think research would be wise in the search for the optimum fertility level
for trees.

I did some soil testing in the upper four inches of soil and from at and
about nurse logs in old growth forest which contain hemlocks and white
pines. And much more. Here is my average on my testing for the latter.
These where five test. 3 test sites where in Allegheny National
Forest(Hearts Content) Pennsylvania
and two where in Allegheny National Forest(Tionesta Scenic area)
Pennsylvania.
Results are in Pounds Per Acre PPA. AVAILABLE ELEMENTS
P 8.2
K 236
Mg 107
Ca 594
Al 220.6
Fe 110.8
Mn 118.6
Zn 11.96
NO3-N 28.8
Did not get B or CU.
Organic matter was 29.32%
Ex Acidity 81 ME/100G
Salts mmho: 0.01 mmho/cm
Moisture %3.97
Water Soluble mg/kg B 1.0738
ACID Soluble (mg/kg)
Cd 0.976
Cu 6.768
Ni 5.71 (Penn State discovered the element Ni to be essential in small
amounts)
Mn 426.378
Co 3.084
Zn 46.818
Pb 101.792
Cr 5.078
P 726.226
The CARBON TO NITROGEN RATION was 27:1
pH 4.2 WOW

That would be a goal of mine if I was going to provide essential elements
professionally. I did not see to many people in the old growth sections.

There was more calcium at a nurse logs in a separate test.

We don't feed trees, however, we can feed the soil with composted wood
(chips and nurse logs) and leaves. We can feed the system.

I have some results for some sick hemlocks (elements in soil)


Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.





I asked for details on what amounts of ash are good for the garden (or,
for that matter, the water lines running under the garden from the well
to our house) and what amounts are corrosive, and she couldn't be more
specific.

A quick google turns up nothing useful, only discussions about what kinds
of paper are good for composting unburned. What with food wrappers,
computer printouts (I work out of a home office), and junk mail we
generate way too much paper trash to be able to compost it directly even
with the help of our worm colony. So no matter what, we're going to be
burning most of this stuff and need to do something with the ashes.

So... what is and isn't safe to do with a big pile of ashes that includes
crispy shreds of what used to be white paper, colored paper, cardboard,
wood scraps, and bits of cellophane from windowed envelopes? I should
probably mention that we live on 8 acres outside city limits and there
are no applicable covenants in this neighborhood.

--
Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
If you must reply by email, you can reach me by placing zeroes
where you see stars: wypbs_**2 at steigerfamily.com.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On Aug 2, 9:18 pm, "Dave" wrote:
"Peter B. Steiger" wrote

My question was not whether we should or shouldn't burn the various items
described (although I'm open to improving my priorities on that subject
as well) but whether it's safe to put the resulting ashes in our garden
or if they should be disposed of some other way.

--
Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
If you must reply by email, you can reach me by placing zeroes
where you see stars: wypbs_**2 at steigerfamily.com.


Okay, point taken. You can burn your pet cat and throw him in the garden.
Best to just bury as is.
Dave

I wonder what will grow first:
Cat's Ears
Pussy Paws
Cat's Claws
Cat Tails
???? * ? )
*