I have grass-like weed growing rampantly in a damp and
shaded part of my lawn (in Northern California). It
spreads via runners up to 3ft long or more. Here are
some pics of bits I pulled up:

http://www.malch.com/DSC_4781.jpg
http://www.malch.com/DSC_4782.jpg

The infected area is just a few square yards but I've
pulled armfulls of this stuff over the past few weeks.

Can anyone help me identify this? Is it some variety
of crabgrass?

Suggested treatments to eradicate the problem? Am I
correct in thinking that intensive treatment should
be administered in the early spring?

TIA

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I used to live in zone 7, and the man who got on the TV once a week and
answered questions about gardening, said early in the year, before the grass
starts coming back, the crabgrass will sprout. It comes from seeds only, as
the plant is an annual. You can either put down a pre-emergent before the
seeds sprout, or use Roundup after they sprout, but before the grass greens
up (that sounds a little dangerous if you miss, and you might have a 3 to 10
day period between the two events). If your effected area is small, maybe
you could use roundup on it and then replant later.

Dwayne




"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
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I have grass-like weed growing rampantly in a damp and
shaded part of my lawn (in Northern California). It
spreads via runners up to 3ft long or more. Here are
some pics of bits I pulled up:

http://www.malch.com/DSC_4781.jpg
http://www.malch.com/DSC_4782.jpg

The infected area is just a few square yards but I've
pulled armfulls of this stuff over the past few weeks.

Can anyone help me identify this? Is it some variety
of crabgrass?

Suggested treatments to eradicate the problem? Am I
correct in thinking that intensive treatment should
be administered in the early spring?

TIA

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| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tia,
It looks like crab grass to me because it's the same in nature as mine
but, it's a different variety then we've got here in Colorado. Good
luck, you're going to need it. I battled with crabgrass and with it's
runners for many years. There's all kinds of chemical treatments you
can use (scott's treatments etc) but, there are only two ways I know
to get rid of it in a non-toxic way is to remove it manually. I dug
it up and used a hand cultivator to go through and pull out the
runners (but I still have to maintain it constantly). Another
suggestion I read in an organic gardening book was to cover it up for
over two years with thick plastic and smother it. But for us
gardeners it hardly an option to give up precious space to black thick
plastic even if it's covered in mulch. The stuff is nasty and
completely invasive. Let me know what works for you when you figure
out what you're going to do.

Lee

On Nov 14, 1:56 pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
I have grass-like weed growing rampantly in a damp and
shaded part of my lawn (in Northern California). It
spreads via runners up to 3ft long or more. Here are
some pics of bits I pulled up:
http://www.malch.com/DSC_4781.jpghtt...m/DSC_4782.jpg


The infected area is just a few square yards but I've
pulled armfulls of this stuff over the past few weeks.

Can anyone help me identify this? Is it some variety
of crabgrass?

Suggested treatments to eradicate the problem? Am I
correct in thinking that intensive treatment should
be administered in the early spring?

TIA

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| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
|http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
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http://www.malch.com/DSC_4781.jpg
http://www.malch.com/DSC_4782.jpg



That doesn't look like crabgrass to me- more like a wild ass stretch of St.
Augustine or Bermuda gone nuts.
But wait for someone who knows.... or ask your county cooperative extension
agent VBG



--
Toni
Hills of Kentucky
USDA Zone 6b
http://www.cearbhaill.com

In article , "Buderschnookie" wrote:

"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
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http://www.malch.com/DSC_4781.jpg
http://www.malch.com/DSC_4782.jpg

That doesn't look like crabgrass to me- more like a wild ass stretch of St.
Augustine or Bermuda gone nuts.

I do think you may have scored a bullseye with St Augustine.

It is growing in a area that is very shaded and very damp
(actually, it gets pretty soggy right in that spot). I think
that environment is perfect for St Augustine and not suitable
for crabgrass.

I can have another shot at adjusting my irrigation to prevent
the excessive moisture. However, my previous attempts have
been a complete failure. I should reconsider the possibility
of a severe drainage problem in that spot or even an underground
leak in the irrigation system and/or even the main water supply
which runs through that area.

Hmmm, 3 out of my 4 irrigation zones have pipes in that
vincinity and the main city supply runs through there too.
Methinks I have a leak!



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| Gary Player. |
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Malcolm Hoar wrote:
In article , "Buderschnookie" wrote:
"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
...
http://www.malch.com/DSC_4781.jpg
http://www.malch.com/DSC_4782.jpg
That doesn't look like crabgrass to me- more like a wild ass stretch of St.
Augustine or Bermuda gone nuts.

I do think you may have scored a bullseye with St Augustine.

It is growing in a area that is very shaded and very damp
(actually, it gets pretty soggy right in that spot). I think
that environment is perfect for St Augustine and not suitable
for crabgrass.

I can have another shot at adjusting my irrigation to prevent
the excessive moisture. However, my previous attempts have
been a complete failure. I should reconsider the possibility
of a severe drainage problem in that spot or even an underground
leak in the irrigation system and/or even the main water supply
which runs through that area.

Hmmm, 3 out of my 4 irrigation zones have pipes in that
vincinity and the main city supply runs through there too.
Methinks I have a leak!





Sounds like you're lucky enough to have a small leak. Last person that
posted with a leek had a $4-500 water bill. Lived in FL with sandy soil,
no water signs.

If I might hijack your thread for a moment. Killing off Crabgrass,
beyond using a preemergent can it be spot killed with a torch while
young and well before it seeds?

It's the only thing in my "yard" that I want to destroy. Then I can seed
my clover in..

In article , Scott Hildenbrand wrote:

Sounds like you're lucky enough to have a small leak. Last person that
posted with a leek had a $4-500 water bill. Lived in FL with sandy soil,
no water signs.

Yeah, that happened to a friend of mine. The leak was probably
caused by some construction work on the neighboring property.
Fortunately, the neighbor generously paid for the repairs and
made a significant contribution to his water bill.

Anyway, my little crabgrass (or St Augustine) problem has
just tumbled down my list of priorities since some bast**d
stole my car a few hours ago :-(

I'll get back to the lawn, eventually!

It's the only thing in my "yard" that I want to destroy. Then I can seed
my clover in..

ROTFL. I needed a little humor on this crappy day!

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In article ,
(Malcolm Hoar) wrote:

In article , Scott Hildenbrand
wrote:

Sounds like you're lucky enough to have a small leak. Last person that
posted with a leek had a $4-500 water bill. Lived in FL with sandy soil,
no water signs.

Yeah, that happened to a friend of mine. The leak was probably
caused by some construction work on the neighboring property.
Fortunately, the neighbor generously paid for the repairs and
made a significant contribution to his water bill.

Anyway, my little crabgrass (or St Augustine) problem has
just tumbled down my list of priorities since some bast**d
stole my car a few hours ago :-(

You are very fortunate to have such a neighbor ! I guess you have city
water which does not provide the warning us well folks get as "Why is
the pump running?

******* is the proper spelling.

Bill

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S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:49:17 -0500, "Buderschnookie"
wrote:


"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
...

http://www.malch.com/DSC_4781.jpg
http://www.malch.com/DSC_4782.jpg



That doesn't look like crabgrass to me- more like a wild ass stretch of St.
Augustine or Bermuda gone nuts.
But wait for someone who knows.... or ask your county cooperative extension
agent VBG

Same here. I can easily spot crabgrass--that's how I keep it out. I
thought Bermuda grass. Identification is most easy if you can get a
sample of the flowering tassel.

On Nov 15, 2:31 pm, Phisherman wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:49:17 -0500, "Buderschnookie"
wrote:



"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
...

http://www.malch.com/DSC_4781.jpg
http://www.malch.com/DSC_4782.jpg

That doesn't look like crabgrass to me- more like a wild ass stretch of St.
Augustine or Bermuda gone nuts.
But wait for someone who knows.... or ask your county cooperative extension
agent VBG

Same here. I can easily spot crabgrass--that's how I keep it out. I
thought Bermuda grass. Identification is most easy if you can get a
sample of the flowering tassel.

Some interesting alternatives to controlling crabgrass, St. Augustine
or Bermuda grass can be found at weedtwister.com/
weed_twister_vs_crabgrass.htm. It's all about efficient tools...

Best of luck!

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At peace with weeds!