"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

That all started with Don. Where have you been?

I can believe that. I guess you were asking for help with editing your
web site.

All I am saying is if Don has "nothing" to say, let him say it. Too
often it seems that your (you and Don) interaction boils down to a
****ing match over his putative degrees (I took a cursory look at
Humbolt States forestry program and didn't see biology, botany, zoology,
biology, or geology directly mentioned in the outline for the degree.
Sorry if it sounds like I'm dissing your degree Don. I'm not. I'm taking
it on faith but I have no way to verify it.) and your work with Dr.
Shigo.


Or better yet, look at a real school.



Forestry Major

(125 credit hours)

University Core Requirements: 33 Credits

Math 1100 College Algebra.........................3

Eng 1000 Exposition and Argumentation...................3

Math 1400 Calculus for Social and Natural Sciences
I................................................. ......3

Chem 1100 Atoms and
Molecules......................................... .............................................3

Biochem 2110 The Living World: Molecular
Scale............................................. ..............3

Hist 1100 Survey of American History to 1865...................3 OR

Hist 1200Survey of American History Since 1865.................3 OR

PolSc 1100 American Government.......................3 OR

PolSc 1700 Introduction to Political Science....................3

Ag Econ 1041 Applied Macroeconomics....................3 OR

Ag Econ 1042 Applied Microeconomics OR...................3 OR

Ag Econ 2070 Environmental Management Strategy................3

PRT 3231 Principles of Interpretative Outdoor Recreation..............3

Humanities and Fine Arts Electives.......................9

Departmental Core-Science: 16-18 Credits

Bio Sci 1200 General Botany.........................5 OR

Plant Science 2110 Plant Growth and Culture.................3 AND

Plant Science 2120 Plant Sci
Lab............................................... ..................................1

Geology 1100 Principles of Geology.......................4 OR

Geology 1200 Environmental
Geology........................................... .............................4

Soils 2100 Intro to Soils..........................3 AND

Soils 2106 Soil Science
Lab............................................... ..........................................2

Physics 1210 College Physics.........................4 OR

Atm Sci 1050 Intro.
Meteorology....................................... ..........................................3

Departmental Core-Professional: 32 Credits

Nat R 1070 Ecology and Renewable Resource Mgmt.
.................................................. .....3

Nat R 1080/1090 Computer Applications/GIS in Natural
Resources.................................3

Stat 2530 Statistical Methods in Natural Resources
.................................................. ..........3

Nat R 3110 Natural Resource Biometrics
.................................................. .........................3

Nat R 4353 Resource Policy & Administration
.................................................. ................3

Nat R 4970 Resource Practicum
.................................................. ........................................3

Forest 2151 Dendrology
.................................................. .................................................. ..4

Forest 4320 Forest Ecology
.................................................. ...............................................4

Forest 4330 Practice of Silviculture
.................................................. ..................................3

Forest 4390 Watershed Mgmt and Water
Quality........................................... ....................3

Departmental Core-Summer Field Studies: 6 Credits

Forest 2540 Forest Surveying
.................................................. ............................................1

Forest 2541 Forest Utilization
.................................................. ...........................................1

Forest 2542 Forest Measurement and Inventory
.................................................. ...............1

Forest 2543 Forest Ecology Field Studies
.................................................. .........................1

Forest 2544 Introduction to Silviculture and Management
.................................................1

Forest 2545 Forest Management Planning
.................................................. ........................1


Emphasis Area Requirements-Forest Resource Management: 25 Credits

Forest 3240 Wood Technology
.................................................. ............................................3

Forest 4340 Tree Physiology
.................................................. ................................................3

Forest 4360 Forest Information Systems
.................................................. ..............................3

Forest 4380 Forest Resource Management
.................................................. ...........................3

Forest 4350 Forest Economics
.................................................. ..............................................3

F&W 4600 Wildlife Conservation I
(WI).............................................. ..................................4

Forest 3212 Forest Health and Protection
.................................................. .............................4

Forest 3207 Forest Fire Control and
Use............................................... .................................2

Undesignated electives to total 125 hours

Emphasis Area Requirements-Urban Forestry: 25 Credits

Forest 3212 Forest Health and Protection
.................................................. .............................4

Forest 3290 Urban Forestry
.................................................. .................................................. 2

Forest 4340 Tree Physiology
.................................................. ................................................3

Pl Sci 2210 Ornamental Woody Plants
I................................................. ...............................3

Pl Sci 3230 Plant Propagation
.................................................. ..............................................3

Pl Sci 2254 Landscape Design
.................................................. .............................................3

Pl Sci 3255 Landscape Maintenance
.................................................. ....................................3

Pl Sci 4350 Nursery Crop Production and Management
.................................................. ......4

Undesignated electives to total 125 hours

Emphasis Area Requirements-Industrial Forest Management: 21 Credits

Forest 3240 Wood Technology
.................................................. ............................................3

Forest 4360 Forest Information Systems
.................................................. ..............................3

Forest 4380 Forest Resource Management
(WI).............................................. .......................3

Forest 4350 Forest Economics
.................................................. ..............................................3

Forest 4365 Logging Systems: Operations and Analyses
.................................................. ....3

Ag Econ 2156 Introduction to Environmental Law................3 OR Ag Econ
3256 Agribusiness and Biotechnology Law...............3 OR Ag Econ 3257
Rural and Agricultural
Law............................................... ..........................3

Finance 1000 Principles of Finance
.................................................. ......................................3

Undesignated electives to total 125 hours

Emphasis Area Requirements-Individualized Studies in Forestry: 27 credits

This emphasis area allows students with interests in both forestry and an
allied field to obtain a degree in forestry combined with a customized
specialization in a field of interest. The allied field can be wildlife
biology and management, ecology, environmental science, environmental
studies, interpretation of natural resources, environmental law, soils or
others. The individualized study program requires completion of 27 credits
to be determined by the student and a three-member faculty committee, two of
whom must be Forestry faculty.

Individualized study program
.................................................. ..........................................27+

Undesignated electives to total 125 hours

(February 2004)

How does bark form?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Don Staples" wrote in message
...
"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

That all started with Don. Where have you been?

I can believe that. I guess you were asking for help with editing your
web site.

All I am saying is if Don has "nothing" to say, let him say it. Too
often it seems that your (you and Don) interaction boils down to a
****ing match over his putative degrees (I took a cursory look at
Humbolt States forestry program and didn't see biology, botany, zoology,
biology, or geology directly mentioned in the outline for the degree.
Sorry if it sounds like I'm dissing your degree Don. I'm not. I'm taking
it on faith but I have no way to verify it.) and your work with Dr.
Shigo.


Or better yet, look at a real school.



Forestry Major

(125 credit hours)

University Core Requirements: 33 Credits

Math 1100 College Algebra.........................3

Eng 1000 Exposition and Argumentation...................3

Math 1400 Calculus for Social and Natural Sciences
I................................................. ......3

Chem 1100 Atoms and
Molecules......................................... .............................................3

Biochem 2110 The Living World: Molecular
Scale............................................. ..............3

Hist 1100 Survey of American History to 1865...................3 OR

Hist 1200Survey of American History Since 1865.................3 OR

PolSc 1100 American Government.......................3 OR

PolSc 1700 Introduction to Political Science....................3

Ag Econ 1041 Applied Macroeconomics....................3 OR

Ag Econ 1042 Applied Microeconomics OR...................3 OR

Ag Econ 2070 Environmental Management Strategy................3

PRT 3231 Principles of Interpretative Outdoor Recreation..............3

Humanities and Fine Arts Electives.......................9

Departmental Core-Science: 16-18 Credits

Bio Sci 1200 General Botany.........................5 OR

Plant Science 2110 Plant Growth and Culture.................3 AND

Plant Science 2120 Plant Sci
Lab............................................... ..................................1

Geology 1100 Principles of Geology.......................4 OR

Geology 1200 Environmental
Geology........................................... .............................4

Soils 2100 Intro to Soils..........................3 AND

Soils 2106 Soil Science
Lab............................................... ..........................................2

Physics 1210 College Physics.........................4 OR

Atm Sci 1050 Intro.
Meteorology....................................... ..........................................3

Departmental Core-Professional: 32 Credits

Nat R 1070 Ecology and Renewable Resource Mgmt.
.................................................. ....3

Nat R 1080/1090 Computer Applications/GIS in Natural
Resources.................................3

Stat 2530 Statistical Methods in Natural Resources
.................................................. .........3

Nat R 3110 Natural Resource Biometrics
.................................................. ........................3

Nat R 4353 Resource Policy & Administration
.................................................. ...............3

Nat R 4970 Resource Practicum
.................................................. .......................................3

Forest 2151 Dendrology
.................................................. .................................................. .4

Forest 4320 Forest Ecology
.................................................. ..............................................4

Forest 4330 Practice of Silviculture
.................................................. .................................3

Forest 4390 Watershed Mgmt and Water
Quality........................................... ....................3

Departmental Core-Summer Field Studies: 6 Credits

Forest 2540 Forest Surveying
.................................................. ...........................................1

Forest 2541 Forest Utilization
.................................................. ..........................................1

Forest 2542 Forest Measurement and Inventory
.................................................. ..............1

Forest 2543 Forest Ecology Field Studies
.................................................. ........................1

Forest 2544 Introduction to Silviculture and Management
................................................1

Forest 2545 Forest Management Planning
.................................................. .......................1


Emphasis Area Requirements-Forest Resource Management: 25 Credits

Forest 3240 Wood Technology
.................................................. ...........................................3

Forest 4340 Tree Physiology
.................................................. ...............................................3

Forest 4360 Forest Information Systems
.................................................. .............................3

Forest 4380 Forest Resource Management
.................................................. ..........................3

Forest 4350 Forest Economics
.................................................. .............................................3

F&W 4600 Wildlife Conservation I
(WI).............................................. ..................................4

Forest 3212 Forest Health and Protection
.................................................. ............................4

Forest 3207 Forest Fire Control and
Use............................................... .................................2

Undesignated electives to total 125 hours

Emphasis Area Requirements-Urban Forestry: 25 Credits

Forest 3212 Forest Health and Protection
.................................................. ............................4

Forest 3290 Urban Forestry
.................................................. .................................................2

Forest 4340 Tree Physiology
.................................................. ...............................................3

Pl Sci 2210 Ornamental Woody Plants
I................................................. ...............................3

Pl Sci 3230 Plant Propagation
.................................................. .............................................3

Pl Sci 2254 Landscape Design
.................................................. ............................................3

Pl Sci 3255 Landscape Maintenance
.................................................. ...................................3

Pl Sci 4350 Nursery Crop Production and Management
.................................................. .....4

Undesignated electives to total 125 hours

Emphasis Area Requirements-Industrial Forest Management: 21 Credits

Forest 3240 Wood Technology
.................................................. ...........................................3

Forest 4360 Forest Information Systems
.................................................. .............................3

Forest 4380 Forest Resource Management
(WI).............................................. .......................3

Forest 4350 Forest Economics
.................................................. .............................................3

Forest 4365 Logging Systems: Operations and Analyses
.................................................. ...3

Ag Econ 2156 Introduction to Environmental Law................3 OR Ag Econ
3256 Agribusiness and Biotechnology Law...............3 OR Ag Econ 3257
Rural and Agricultural
Law............................................... ..........................3

Finance 1000 Principles of Finance
.................................................. .....................................3

Undesignated electives to total 125 hours

Emphasis Area Requirements-Individualized Studies in Forestry: 27 credits

This emphasis area allows students with interests in both forestry and an
allied field to obtain a degree in forestry combined with a customized
specialization in a field of interest. The allied field can be wildlife
biology and management, ecology, environmental science, environmental
studies, interpretation of natural resources, environmental law, soils or
others. The individualized study program requires completion of 27 credits
to be determined by the student and a three-member faculty committee, two
of whom must be Forestry faculty.

Individualized study program
.................................................. .........................................27+

Undesignated electives to total 125 hours

(February 2004)

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
How does bark form?
In which two day class did they teach you that question?

That is not the correct answer.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
How does bark form?
In which two day class did they teach you that question?

symplastless wrote:
How does bark form?


Bark comes from stepping on dog's tail

Actually a good answer. I good comeback question would be am I refering to
the inner bark or outer bark.

I went to school to be able to answer my own questions.
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message
. ..
symplastless wrote:
How does bark form?


Bark comes from stepping on dog's tail

"symplastless" wrote in message
news
Actually a good answer. I good comeback question would be am I refering
to the inner bark or outer bark.

I went to school to be able to answer my own questions.

What school, when and what degree?

In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
news
Actually a good answer. I good comeback question would be am I refering
to the inner bark or outer bark.

I went to school to be able to answer my own questions.

What school, when and what degree?

Don, you've said that you have a Bachelors and a Masters degree but you
never specified what school. Excuse my curiosity but did you have a
choice between production or conservation? John is on record that he is
self taught arborologist. This of course doesn't exclude other course
work.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
news
Actually a good answer. I good comeback question would be am I
refering
to the inner bark or outer bark.

I went to school to be able to answer my own questions.

What school, when and what degree?

Don, you've said that you have a Bachelors and a Masters degree but you
never specified what school. Excuse my curiosity but did you have a
choice between production or conservation? John is on record that he is
self taught arborologist. This of course doesn't exclude other course
work.

John lists himself as a consulting arborist, he is a limb hacker with
grandiose ambitions to be a Dr. Shigo, I suspect he was an assistant at one
time to the good Doctor, but a Certified Arborist he is not. He at one time
appeared on forestry boards and basically was laughed off them.

University of Missouri, the second set of curricula listed in a previous
post, in 1962 for the BS, and it was in conservation and production, the two
are not, and cannot, be separated in today's world. It was called the
School of Forestry, now Environmental studies, or some such. I have over 40
years experience in forestry, and have met the "John's" numerous times in
the past, they are a plague on home owners, and profess knowledge and
abilities well beyond their capabilities. It seems that most readers of
this board recognize that, but newbie's need to be aware of charlatans in
the business.

Now, what is your background, turn about you see, I showed you mine, show me
yours, to paraphrase deadwood.

"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message
. ..
symplastless wrote:
How does bark form?


Bark comes from stepping on dog's tail

On a dogwood, of course.