"kzin" wrote in message
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On 4-Jan-2008, "symplastless" wrote:

OK, back to quarks. Cellulose is atoms of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen.
Atoms are protons and electrons. Protons and electrons are quarks and
leptons. Not that I completely understand it but quarks do play a role
in
soil health.

Something interesting I was studying when I found this out.

Did you know in a sense trees are music? Music is highly ordered waves
and vibrations. Trees are wood, mostly. Wood is cellulose, mostly.
Cellulose is atoms of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. Atoms are protons and
electrons.

Protons and electrons are quarks and leptons. Quarks and leptons are
highly ordered waves and vibrations. Wait a minute!! Music is also
highly
ordered waves and vibrations!! Think about it.

Do you talk like this to your clients?
Do they come back after you do? Or,
more likely, do they edge away from you slowly and carefully refraining
from
sudden movements. I'm not a consulting arborist but I'm pretty sure that
you don't need to delve into quantum physics to practice effective
horticulture. As for trees being music... well ... whatever floats your
boat.

ml


1st. I was not talking to you I was speaking to Billy. 2nd I sure do.
Believe it or not some people with an understanding of chemistry do hire
people like me who understand a very little about chemistry to work on their
property. 3rd You reply really does not explain the topic or offer any
incite to the topic. maybe you should comment on something you can offer or
add understanding to. As far as your opinion on waves and vibrations,
thanks for sharing your beliefs. You or anybody offering a servcie have the
right to be ignorant. BTW, what do you mean when you say "practice
effective horticulture"? Just what does that mean? Oh, if they did not
come back they would not be a client.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"kzin" wrote in message
...

Do you talk like this to your clients? Do they come back after you do?
Or,
more likely, do they edge away from you slowly and carefully refraining
from
sudden movements. I'm not a consulting arborist but I'm pretty sure that
you don't need to delve into quantum physics to practice effective
horticulture. As for trees being music... well ... whatever floats your
boat.

ml

One more thing about my boat. let me guess. You are talking about the
displacement of water? What are you trying to say?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

Oh, kzin

Draining a wetland for a foot path is not only illegal in some areas but a
very bad idea.

Ref: http://www.groupsrv.com/hobby/post-3421514.html


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
Did you know in a sense trees are music? Music is highly ordered waves and
vibrations. Trees are wood, mostly. Wood is cellulose, mostly. Cellulose
is atoms of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. Atoms are protons and electrons.
Protons and electrons are quarks and leptons. Quarks and leptons are highly
ordered waves and vibrations. Wait a minute!! Music is also highly ordered
waves and vibrations!! Think about it.

Uh huh.

Humans are mammals. Donkeys are mammals. Therefore humans are donkeys.

David

"kzin" wrote in message
...

On 4-Jan-2008, "symplastless" wrote:

Draining a wetland for a foot path is not only illegal in some areas but
a
very bad idea.

well if you follow the entire thread you'll note that I recommend that he
seek professional advice. Said professional would have been able to
assess
the environmental impact of the propsed path and the legality thereof.
Also
if you read that thread you'd see that it wasn't a wetland he was talking
about but an area behind a commercial office block that would flood during
the rain.

Oh, its a flood plain?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"kzin" wrote in message
...

On 4-Jan-2008, "symplastless" wrote:

Draining a wetland for a foot path is not only illegal in some areas but
a
very bad idea.

well if you follow the entire thread you'll note that I recommend that he
seek professional advice. Said professional would have been able to
assess
the environmental impact of the propsed path and the legality thereof.
Also
if you read that thread you'd see that it wasn't a wetland he was talking
about but an area behind a commercial office block that would flood during
the rain.

nice try

ml

Nice try? At what? Its still a bad idead to alter wetlands or flood
plains.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
Did you know in a sense trees are music? Music is highly ordered waves
and
vibrations. Trees are wood, mostly. Wood is cellulose, mostly.
Cellulose
is atoms of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. Atoms are protons and
electrons.
Protons and electrons are quarks and leptons. Quarks and leptons are
highly
ordered waves and vibrations. Wait a minute!! Music is also highly
ordered
waves and vibrations!! Think about it.

Uh huh.

Humans are mammals. Donkeys are mammals. Therefore humans are donkeys.

David


Actually, You are made up of chemicals that were parts of millions of other
plants and animals including donkeys. A product of recycling!

In the sense that donkeys have the breath of life in their nostrils, makes
us very connected.

Did you know Trees and people are about 98% by weight carbon, hydrogen,
oxygen, nitrogen, sulfur, and phosphorus. So what makes us different? The
way the chemicals are connected. A donkey may be a higher %.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

Uh huh.

Humans are mammals. *Donkeys are mammals. *Therefore humans are donkeys.

David

Actually, You are made up of chemicals that were parts of millions of other
plants and animals including donkeys. A product of recycling!

In the sense that donkeys have the breath of life in their nostrils, makes
us very connected.

Did you know Trees and people are about 98% by weight carbon, hydrogen,
oxygen, nitrogen, sulfur, and phosphorus. *So what makes us different? *The
way the chemicals are connected. *A donkey may be a higher %.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arboristhttp://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and *www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just for the record, when I first joined this group, I thought people
were being unnecessarily harsh towards John and his posts about his
"Tree Dictionary." Having been on the site for a few months now, i
can see where people are speaking out. Frankly, I find his posts
misguided and full of good information mixed in with his own personal
agenda (which doesn't always promote what's best for the original
poster or even relate to their questions.).

I believe the topic in question was pH in soil, not any of the other
topics that have been brought up. I hope that John could stop posting
his "Tree dictionary" and just post his thoughts ONCE on this list.

My vote is that John could start his own group and people could
VOLUNTARILY choose to hear what he has to say rather than have it
forced upon us with every plant question that people post, or his bi-
weekly ads.

Thank you,
Tad

What do you have to offer?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Tad" wrote in message
...


Uh huh.

Humans are mammals. Donkeys are mammals. Therefore humans are donkeys.

David

Actually, You are made up of chemicals that were parts of millions of
other
plants and animals including donkeys. A product of recycling!

In the sense that donkeys have the breath of life in their nostrils, makes
us very connected.

Did you know Trees and people are about 98% by weight carbon, hydrogen,
oxygen, nitrogen, sulfur, and phosphorus. So what makes us different? The
way the chemicals are connected. A donkey may be a higher %.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arboristhttp://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us
that we are not the boss.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just for the record, when I first joined this group, I thought people
were being unnecessarily harsh towards John and his posts about his
"Tree Dictionary." Having been on the site for a few months now, i
can see where people are speaking out. Frankly, I find his posts
misguided and full of good information mixed in with his own personal
agenda (which doesn't always promote what's best for the original
poster or even relate to their questions.).

I believe the topic in question was pH in soil, not any of the other
topics that have been brought up. I hope that John could stop posting
his "Tree dictionary" and just post his thoughts ONCE on this list.

My vote is that John could start his own group and people could
VOLUNTARILY choose to hear what he has to say rather than have it
forced upon us with every plant question that people post, or his bi-
weekly ads.

Thank you,
Tad

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
Did you know in a sense trees are music? Music is highly ordered waves
and
vibrations. Trees are wood, mostly. Wood is cellulose, mostly.
Cellulose
is atoms of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. Atoms are protons and
electrons.
Protons and electrons are quarks and leptons. Quarks and leptons are
highly
ordered waves and vibrations. Wait a minute!! Music is also highly
ordered
waves and vibrations!! Think about it.

Uh huh.

Humans are mammals. Donkeys are mammals. Therefore humans are donkeys.

David


Well we know that at least one of us is an ass.

"kzin" wrote in message
...

On 4-Jan-2008, "symplastless" wrote:


yeah fine, whatever.
your aluminum foil beanie needs adjusting.

Think he needs lead foil.

Tad wrote:


My vote is that John could start his own group and people could
VOLUNTARILY choose to hear what he has to say rather than have it
forced upon us with every plant question that people post, or his bi-
weekly ads.

Thank you,
Tad

I love trees. I like killfiles.

Kate

On Jan 5, 11:33*am, kate wrote:
Tad wrote:
My vote is that John could start his own group and people could
VOLUNTARILY choose to hear what he has to say rather than have it
forced upon us with every plant question that people post, or his bi-
weekly ads.

Thank you,
Tad

I love trees. I like killfiles.

Kate

John,

PLEASE GO BACK AND READ MY POSTS EARLIER IN THIS THREAD REGARDING PH!
I POSTED LINKS, AND INFORMATION RELATED TO BIOLOGICAL SOLUTIONS TO PH
PROBLEMS!

AND PLEASE....STOP POSTING!!!!

In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
While kicking around the idea of quarks and their odd flavors may be
interesting, it seems a bit (a whole freakin' lot actually) tangential
to the discussion of plant nutrients and healthy garden soils.

Oh really? maybe we can kick this around. First my concern for the health
of soils is the supply of cellulose. Cellulose provides glucose for many
organisms especially in the soil or more correctly, of the soil. One
problem with most definitions of soil is they forget the enormous amount of
living organisms that make up "HEALTHY" soil.

e.g., just one def. off the internet.

"Soil is the unconsolidated mineral or organic material on the immediate
surface of the earth and serves as a natural medium for the growth of land
plants."

Here is another def.

"Dirt, or soil, is made from rocks that break apart or wear away over many
years. This is referred to as weathering. It may take 100 to 1000 years
for 1 cm of soil to form through weathering. Soil also contains air, water,
and humus, the decayed remains of dead animals and plants. Soil can
actually be separated into 5 main parts: humus, clay, silt, sand, and
gravel." hmmmm!


I prefer this def. Soil is a substance made up of sands, silts, clays,
decaying organic matter, air, water and an "enormous number of living
organisms". Is it alive or dead? Yes, is the answer. We have no word for
a substance that is both living and dead - wood, soil.

Now healthy soil concerns must address an enormous number of living
organisms. Cellulose provides food for many.

OK, back to quarks. Cellulose is atoms of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen.
Atoms are protons and electrons. Protons and electrons are quarks and
leptons. Not that I completely understand it but quarks do play a role in
soil health.

Something interesting I was studying when I found this out.

Did you know in a sense trees are music? Music is highly ordered waves and
vibrations. Trees are wood, mostly. Wood is cellulose, mostly. Cellulose
is atoms of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen. Atoms are protons and electrons.
Protons and electrons are quarks and leptons. Quarks and leptons are highly
ordered waves and vibrations. Wait a minute!! Music is also highly ordered
waves and vibrations!! Think about it.

I gave you my advice. Logic is only as good as its' premise. Good luck.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.antiwar.com/eland/index.php?articleid=8282
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

Bush Behind Bars

Sure, for not allowing people to farm hemp like our forefathers.

Its' been a federal crime since the end of Prohibition. But I really
recommend that you go roll a big one, get a beer/wine, and go watch the
sunset.

You are really sounding stressed.
--

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.antiwar.com/eland/index.php?articleid=8282
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush