In past years I have visited or volunteered at the spring Philadelphia
Flower Show held at the Pennsylvania Convention Center but this year
I'm skittish. It's being held March 2 through March 9. With war
against Iraq impending now, the war may be under way at the time of
the show.

The Flower Show is an easy target for terrorists because the
Pennsylvania Convention Center (called "Pennsylvania" but located in
Philadelphia) and the ground floor under it have many entrances and is
linked with the public trains which would make it easy for a
terrorist with a chemical or biological weapon, anthrax or a plastic
explosive to enter and set it off.

Has anyone else thought about this? I don't like to change my
lifestyle but in these troubled times I am hesitant to enter public
places, especially those that might be equated by Bin Laden types with
American wealth: I like to garden too much!

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:54:07 GMT, animaux
wrote:
Well, I haven't given it much thought, but I did think about it as we watched
the Daytona 500. There were 200 thousand people at that event and nothing
happened.

I'm not from the school which says "if you give up your freedom and hide from
the terror, they win." I believe in doing what is comfortable for you. If you
are not feeling safe, don't go this year. With the money you save from the
show, buy yourself a year subscription of Fine Gardening magazine or something
else you have interest in.

Personally, I think the main target of the impending war is going to be my home
town of NYC, unfortunately. It's the only island which is 10 miles long and has
about 15 million people on it at most given times during the week.

I don't know if my opinion helped or not, but if you are "skittish" follow your
heart and it's fine to NOT go this year.

Victoria
On 20 Feb 2003 13:47:18 -0800, (B Rayin) wrote:

In past years I have visited or volunteered at the spring Philadelphia
Flower Show held at the Pennsylvania Convention Center but this year
I'm skittish. It's being held March 2 through March 9. With war
against Iraq impending now, the war may be under way at the time of
the show.

The Flower Show is an easy target for terrorists because the
Pennsylvania Convention Center (called "Pennsylvania" but located in
Philadelphia) and the ground floor under it have many entrances and is
linked with the public trains which would make it easy for a
terrorist with a chemical or biological weapon, anthrax or a plastic
explosive to enter and set it off.

Has anyone else thought about this? I don't like to change my
lifestyle but in these troubled times I am hesitant to enter public
places, especially those that might be equated by Bin Laden types with
American wealth: I like to garden too much!
I agree. If you don't feel comfortable, you won't enjoy it much
anyway, so you may as well not go. Hopefully, next year things will
have quieted down a bit. I'm still planning to attend.

I don't spend a lot of time worrying about these things. To me, the
Flower show does not add up to a primary target for the scumbags. Of
course, since I have no concept of what makes them tick, or what they
could possibly be thinking, so I could be wrong about that.

Here is the way I see things....

You can't live your life in fear and advoiding "risky situations".

Our security levels, and surveilance levels, and intelligence levels are
being boosted SKY HIGH right now.

anything which has a crowd of more then 100 people will be checked on by
the government I am sure. and I am sure that if they have anything to
worry about, the government will warn us to not go to the convention.

I am not going simply because I live in austin and don't get along well
with cold weather.

I have an uncle that has been working intelligence for the Navy for
about 16 yrs now, and just from what he has told me, they have the
ability to track anybody and what just about anything that they want to
watch......

I wouldn't be too worried.

BUT, what was posted earlier was true. Don't go if you are going to be
skiddish becuase you won't enjoy yourself.......

-will

Curious.

That certainly would be jsut the place to get all the raw materials to build
a fertilizer bomb!!!

If the flower show goes as badly this year as it has recently, the biggest
worry would be that the public might be bored to death!!!

Those vendors selling ginsu knives and all that kind of crap seen on TV
infomercials are a much bigger threat than terrorists.



B Rayin wrote in message
om...
In past years I have visited or volunteered at the spring Philadelphia
Flower Show held at the Pennsylvania Convention Center but this year
I'm skittish. It's being held March 2 through March 9. With war
against Iraq impending now, the war may be under way at the time of
the show.

The Flower Show is an easy target for terrorists because the
Pennsylvania Convention Center (called "Pennsylvania" but located in
Philadelphia) and the ground floor under it have many entrances and is
linked with the public trains which would make it easy for a
terrorist with a chemical or biological weapon, anthrax or a plastic
explosive to enter and set it off.

Has anyone else thought about this? I don't like to change my
lifestyle but in these troubled times I am hesitant to enter public
places, especially those that might be equated by Bin Laden types with
American wealth: I like to garden too much!

Well, I haven't given it much thought, but I did think about it as we watched
the Daytona 500. There were 200 thousand people at that event and nothing
happened.

I'm not from the school which says "if you give up your freedom and hide from
the terror, they win." I believe in doing what is comfortable for you. If you
are not feeling safe, don't go this year. With the money you save from the
show, buy yourself a year subscription of Fine Gardening magazine or something
else you have interest in.

Personally, I think the main target of the impending war is going to be my home
town of NYC, unfortunately. It's the only island which is 10 miles long and has
about 15 million people on it at most given times during the week.

I don't know if my opinion helped or not, but if you are "skittish" follow your
heart and it's fine to NOT go this year.

Victoria


On 20 Feb 2003 13:47:18 -0800, (B Rayin) wrote:

In past years I have visited or volunteered at the spring Philadelphia
Flower Show held at the Pennsylvania Convention Center but this year
I'm skittish. It's being held March 2 through March 9. With war
against Iraq impending now, the war may be under way at the time of
the show.

The Flower Show is an easy target for terrorists because the
Pennsylvania Convention Center (called "Pennsylvania" but located in
Philadelphia) and the ground floor under it have many entrances and is
linked with the public trains which would make it easy for a
terrorist with a chemical or biological weapon, anthrax or a plastic
explosive to enter and set it off.

Has anyone else thought about this? I don't like to change my
lifestyle but in these troubled times I am hesitant to enter public
places, especially those that might be equated by Bin Laden types with
American wealth: I like to garden too much!

Thank you for your advise Dr. Phil. (or are you Jeffrey Tambor in disguise?)

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_1...nny/twins.html



Warren wrote in message
news:FAD5a.194458$iG3.23228@sccrnsc02...
B Rayin wrote:
In past years I have visited or volunteered at the spring Philadelphia
Flower Show held at the Pennsylvania Convention Center but this year
I'm skittish. It's being held March 2 through March 9. With war
against Iraq impending now, the war may be under way at the time of
the show.

The Flower Show is an easy target for terrorists because the
Pennsylvania Convention Center (called "Pennsylvania" but located in
Philadelphia) and the ground floor under it have many entrances and is
linked with the public trains which would make it easy for a
terrorist with a chemical or biological weapon, anthrax or a plastic
explosive to enter and set it off.

Has anyone else thought about this? I don't like to change my
lifestyle but in these troubled times I am hesitant to enter public
places, especially those that might be equated by Bin Laden types with
American wealth: I like to garden too much!


It is said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. That's the
simplistic blow-off answer.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you're feeling this much
anxiety about something like this, you really need to find a
counselor -- an impartial professional who can help you deal with issues
like this.

If you're unsure of where to get help, there are places to turn. If
you're employed, your employer may have an employee assistance program.
If you have a good relationship with your family physician, he or she
can refer you to someone. Larger cities and counties may have public
social service agencies, and private social service agencies are around,
too. Don't worry about going to the wrong agency for help. Your goal is
to only find someone who can direct you to the right place for help.

If you have health insurance, often the mental health issues are handled
by a separate division that has people who can help you find the
appropriate help. Even if you don't have insurance, and can't afford
typical psychologists rates, there are places that you can get free or
low-cost help, too.

If fear is keeping you from participating in normal activities, it is
time to get help. There are wonderful folks in most newsgroups, but
quite frankly, you'll get as much unhelpful advice as you will get
helpful advice here. Posting in newsgroups is akin to standing on the
sidewalk, and announcing to all passers that you need advice. Go and get
help now, before fear grips you so badly that you even fear getting
help.

Fear can be a spiral. It's important that you seize the moment, and seek
help while you still can.

Good luck.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.

Dokta Phil. Ya. Now that's some good advice he gives out, but who can hear it
through his "gentle" style?

Pretty soon, television and print media will be Oprah Associated, All the Time.
Oh!


On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:11:31 GMT, "Cereoid+10" wrote:

Thank you for your advise Dr. Phil. (or are you Jeffrey Tambor in disguise?)

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_1...nny/twins.html



Warren wrote in message
news:FAD5a.194458$iG3.23228@sccrnsc02...
B Rayin wrote:
In past years I have visited or volunteered at the spring Philadelphia
Flower Show held at the Pennsylvania Convention Center but this year
I'm skittish. It's being held March 2 through March 9. With war
against Iraq impending now, the war may be under way at the time of
the show.

The Flower Show is an easy target for terrorists because the
Pennsylvania Convention Center (called "Pennsylvania" but located in
Philadelphia) and the ground floor under it have many entrances and is
linked with the public trains which would make it easy for a
terrorist with a chemical or biological weapon, anthrax or a plastic
explosive to enter and set it off.

Has anyone else thought about this? I don't like to change my
lifestyle but in these troubled times I am hesitant to enter public
places, especially those that might be equated by Bin Laden types with
American wealth: I like to garden too much!


It is said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. That's the
simplistic blow-off answer.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you're feeling this much
anxiety about something like this, you really need to find a
counselor -- an impartial professional who can help you deal with issues
like this.

If you're unsure of where to get help, there are places to turn. If
you're employed, your employer may have an employee assistance program.
If you have a good relationship with your family physician, he or she
can refer you to someone. Larger cities and counties may have public
social service agencies, and private social service agencies are around,
too. Don't worry about going to the wrong agency for help. Your goal is
to only find someone who can direct you to the right place for help.

If you have health insurance, often the mental health issues are handled
by a separate division that has people who can help you find the
appropriate help. Even if you don't have insurance, and can't afford
typical psychologists rates, there are places that you can get free or
low-cost help, too.

If fear is keeping you from participating in normal activities, it is
time to get help. There are wonderful folks in most newsgroups, but
quite frankly, you'll get as much unhelpful advice as you will get
helpful advice here. Posting in newsgroups is akin to standing on the
sidewalk, and announcing to all passers that you need advice. Go and get
help now, before fear grips you so badly that you even fear getting
help.

Fear can be a spiral. It's important that you seize the moment, and seek
help while you still can.

Good luck.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.

Hey Now!!!

Would much rather hear Hank Kingsley (Jeffrey Tambor) give the advice.

http://rw.hbo.com/larry/cmp/larrysan.../MeetHank.html


animaux wrote in message
...
Dokta Phil. Ya. Now that's some good advice he gives out, but who can
hear it
through his "gentle" style?

Pretty soon, television and print media will be Oprah Associated, All the
Time.
Oh!


On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:11:31 GMT, "Cereoid+10"
wrote:

Thank you for your advise Dr. Phil. (or are you Jeffrey Tambor in
disguise?)

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_1...nny/twins.html



Warren wrote in message
news:FAD5a.194458$iG3.23228@sccrnsc02...
B Rayin wrote:
In past years I have visited or volunteered at the spring
Philadelphia
Flower Show held at the Pennsylvania Convention Center but this year
I'm skittish. It's being held March 2 through March 9. With war
against Iraq impending now, the war may be under way at the time of
the show.

The Flower Show is an easy target for terrorists because the
Pennsylvania Convention Center (called "Pennsylvania" but located in
Philadelphia) and the ground floor under it have many entrances and
is
linked with the public trains which would make it easy for a
terrorist with a chemical or biological weapon, anthrax or a plastic
explosive to enter and set it off.

Has anyone else thought about this? I don't like to change my
lifestyle but in these troubled times I am hesitant to enter public
places, especially those that might be equated by Bin Laden types
with
American wealth: I like to garden too much!


It is said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. That's the
simplistic blow-off answer.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you're feeling this much
anxiety about something like this, you really need to find a
counselor -- an impartial professional who can help you deal with
issues
like this.

If you're unsure of where to get help, there are places to turn. If
you're employed, your employer may have an employee assistance program.
If you have a good relationship with your family physician, he or she
can refer you to someone. Larger cities and counties may have public
social service agencies, and private social service agencies are
around,
too. Don't worry about going to the wrong agency for help. Your goal is
to only find someone who can direct you to the right place for help.

If you have health insurance, often the mental health issues are
handled
by a separate division that has people who can help you find the
appropriate help. Even if you don't have insurance, and can't afford
typical psychologists rates, there are places that you can get free or
low-cost help, too.

If fear is keeping you from participating in normal activities, it is
time to get help. There are wonderful folks in most newsgroups, but
quite frankly, you'll get as much unhelpful advice as you will get
helpful advice here. Posting in newsgroups is akin to standing on the
sidewalk, and announcing to all passers that you need advice. Go and
get
help now, before fear grips you so badly that you even fear getting
help.

Fear can be a spiral. It's important that you seize the moment, and
seek
help while you still can.

Good luck.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.

What ever happened to The Gary Shandling Show? I mean, it was one of the best
shows on television. Just the right amount of annoying yenta's like Garafolo
(sp?) and, well, it was one of our favorites.

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:41:05 GMT, "Cereoid+10" wrote:

Hey Now!!!

Would much rather hear Hank Kingsley (Jeffrey Tambor) give the advice.

http://rw.hbo.com/larry/cmp/larrysan.../MeetHank.html


animaux wrote in message
.. .
Dokta Phil. Ya. Now that's some good advice he gives out, but who can
hear it
through his "gentle" style?

Pretty soon, television and print media will be Oprah Associated, All the
Time.
Oh!


On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:11:31 GMT, "Cereoid+10"
wrote:

Thank you for your advise Dr. Phil. (or are you Jeffrey Tambor in
disguise?)

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_1...nny/twins.html



Warren wrote in message
news:FAD5a.194458$iG3.23228@sccrnsc02...
B Rayin wrote:
In past years I have visited or volunteered at the spring
Philadelphia
Flower Show held at the Pennsylvania Convention Center but this year
I'm skittish. It's being held March 2 through March 9. With war
against Iraq impending now, the war may be under way at the time of
the show.

The Flower Show is an easy target for terrorists because the
Pennsylvania Convention Center (called "Pennsylvania" but located in
Philadelphia) and the ground floor under it have many entrances and
is
linked with the public trains which would make it easy for a
terrorist with a chemical or biological weapon, anthrax or a plastic
explosive to enter and set it off.

Has anyone else thought about this? I don't like to change my
lifestyle but in these troubled times I am hesitant to enter public
places, especially those that might be equated by Bin Laden types
with
American wealth: I like to garden too much!


It is said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. That's the
simplistic blow-off answer.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you're feeling this much
anxiety about something like this, you really need to find a
counselor -- an impartial professional who can help you deal with
issues
like this.

If you're unsure of where to get help, there are places to turn. If
you're employed, your employer may have an employee assistance program.
If you have a good relationship with your family physician, he or she
can refer you to someone. Larger cities and counties may have public
social service agencies, and private social service agencies are
around,
too. Don't worry about going to the wrong agency for help. Your goal is
to only find someone who can direct you to the right place for help.

If you have health insurance, often the mental health issues are
handled
by a separate division that has people who can help you find the
appropriate help. Even if you don't have insurance, and can't afford
typical psychologists rates, there are places that you can get free or
low-cost help, too.

If fear is keeping you from participating in normal activities, it is
time to get help. There are wonderful folks in most newsgroups, but
quite frankly, you'll get as much unhelpful advice as you will get
helpful advice here. Posting in newsgroups is akin to standing on the
sidewalk, and announcing to all passers that you need advice. Go and
get
help now, before fear grips you so badly that you even fear getting
help.

Fear can be a spiral. It's important that you seize the moment, and
seek
help while you still can.

Good luck.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.