"Val" wrote in message
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"mleblanca" wrote in message
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Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are
copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn,
destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008

Emilie
NorCal

Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve
of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also
forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the
first to vanish.

Val



What if a book in the library said it sex with minors was a swell idea?

"McGerm" wrote in message
The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It
was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a
Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that
stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe
non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a
problem appears.

Eeeew. This person sounds like they belong to the "Nuke it till it Glows"
Brigade.

If you start on this journey, you will always have to do it all the time as
you will kill all the good insects in your garden and if you stop the
nasties arrive and may do a lot of damage before the natural predators can
build up their numbers to counteract them. If you garden organically, you
might occasionally have problems but the goodies and the baddies generally
balance each other out (and it's less work).

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Val" wrote in message
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"mleblanca" wrote in message
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Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are
copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn,
destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008

Emilie
NorCal

Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not
approve of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as
well also forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be
among the first to vanish.

Val



What if a book in the library said it sex with minors was a swell idea?


Now you're getting into that morality/obscenity/pornography thing that has
been bandied and battled for decades through pretty much every level of
decision making from the local Altar Guild to the US Supreme Court. Jerry
Baker's schlock hardly falls into that category and that reference WAS
directed towards Baker's books. The debate over what constitutes
inappropriate material and whether (and how) the public should be protected
from it will not likely be settled any time soon.The first ten amendments of
the Bill of Rights were ratified in 1791, each amendment has ratified
detailed annotations added through the years. You will find that there are
many added details regarding children(minors) dealing with obscenity, child
pornography and non-obscene but sexually explicit and indecent expression.
If you want to look up the 1st Amendment's annotations they will answer that
particular question for you.

I shall refrain from correcting the grammar in your convolutedly structured
question or telling you to "haul your sorry ass to the library and find that
answer yourself" 'cause yew iz Joe SpareBedroom and you were most likely
wickedly chuckling while you pounded that out on your keyboard with a "lesse
how she's gonna answer this"! LMAO ~snort~

Val

"McGerm" wrote in message
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I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of
the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub
care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic'
once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made
it sound like a very good thing to do.

Clean-Up Tonic
1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap
1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash
1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea

The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this
treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects
and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids,
and hundreds of other ornamentals.

Jim

best advice I can give with those ingredients is this, in the following
order:

Enjoy the tobacco in some paper with a filter whilst drinking a cup of tea
in the morning. Wash the cup in the lemon scented dish washing liquid & set
aside to drain. Gargle with mouthwash before you kiss your wife good bye in
the morning. Sounds like a far better use for the 'clean up tonic' to me.

rob

"Val" wrote in message
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"Val" wrote in message
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"mleblanca" wrote in message
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Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are
copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn,
destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008

Emilie
NorCal

Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not
approve of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as
well also forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be
among the first to vanish.

Val



What if a book in the library said it sex with minors was a swell idea?


Now you're getting into that morality/obscenity/pornography thing that has
been bandied and battled for decades through pretty much every level of
decision making from the local Altar Guild to the US Supreme Court. Jerry
Baker's schlock hardly falls into that category and that reference WAS
directed towards Baker's books. The debate over what constitutes
inappropriate material and whether (and how) the public should be
protected from it will not likely be settled any time soon.The first ten
amendments of the Bill of Rights were ratified in 1791, each amendment has
ratified detailed annotations added through the years. You will find that
there are many added details regarding children(minors) dealing with
obscenity, child pornography and non-obscene but sexually explicit and
indecent expression. If you want to look up the 1st Amendment's
annotations they will answer that particular question for you.

I shall refrain from correcting the grammar in your convolutedly
structured question or telling you to "haul your sorry ass to the library
and find that answer yourself" 'cause yew iz Joe SpareBedroom and you
were most likely wickedly chuckling while you pounded that out on your
keyboard with a "lesse how she's gonna answer this"! LMAO ~snort~

Val



Some libraries still have gardening & home maintenance books which suggest
doing things with chemicals that are illegal to use in this country. I
wonder if they could be edging into the obscenity zone.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Some libraries still have gardening & home maintenance books which suggest
doing things with chemicals that are illegal to use in this country. I
wonder if they could be edging into the obscenity zone.
You and the Altar Guild will have to take that up with the Supreme Court

Val

"Val" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Some libraries still have gardening & home maintenance books which
suggest doing things with chemicals that are illegal to use in this
country. I wonder if they could be edging into the obscenity zone.


You and the Altar Guild will have to take that up with the Supreme Court


Val


I'll put that on my list of stuff to do, right after painting my bedroom and
installing new window treatments.

On Jan 7, 6:24*am, McGerm wrote:
I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. *One of
the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub
care. *Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic'
once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. *The DVD made
it sound like a very good thing to do.

Clean-Up Tonic
1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap
1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash
1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea

The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. *Will this
treatment spread the virus? *According to sources online TMV infects
and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids,
and hundreds of other ornamentals.

Jim

You would be much better off adding beneficial microbes to your leaf
surface through AACT or Actively Aerated Compost Tea, than killing
everything with your recipe. Plants put out exudates (simple sugars,
carbohydrates, etc.) through their roots and also on the surface of
the leaves. In a healthy plant, these resources are taken in by
beneficial bacteria, fungi, and protozoa, which then occupy the
infection sites on the leaf and OUTCOMPETE the pathogens for that
space. It's a symbiotic relationship that's constantly occurring at a
microscopic level.

Here's a good starting point for learning mo
http://www.soilfoodweb.com/03_about_us/approach.html

On Jan 7, 8:58 pm, "Val" wrote:
"mleblanca" wrote in message

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Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are
copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn,
destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008

Emilie
NorCal

Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve
of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also
forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the first
to vanish.

Val

Oh, now, Val, I have this vision, you see......................
Our Wreck gardens crew (Joe, Lee, Cheryl, Victoria, me and Janet
you can come too- and any other volunteers)
Dressed in black coveralls and floppy garden hats, we will storm our
individual
libraries, locate and smash any JB propaganda with our various garden
tools.

Come and join us
Emilie aka Carrie Nation who was in the llibrary this
evening...................

"mleblanca" wrote in message
news:e1391290-3bd7-48ec-a710- Oh, now, Val, I have this vision, you
see......................
Our Wreck gardens crew (Joe, Lee, Cheryl, Victoria, me and Janet
you can come too- and any other volunteers)
Dressed in black coveralls and floppy garden hats, we will storm our
individual
libraries, locate and smash any JB propaganda with our various garden
tools.

Come and join us
Emilie aka Carrie Nation who was in the llibrary this
evening...................

Tell you what......I'll just sit by the phone with my change jar at the
ready in case you need to make a "bail call".

Val

On 1/8/08 9:12 PM, in article
,
"mleblanca" wrote:

On Jan 7, 8:58 pm, "Val" wrote:
"mleblanca" wrote in message

...



Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are
copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn,
destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008

Emilie
NorCal

Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve
of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also
forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the first
to vanish.

Val

Oh, now, Val, I have this vision, you see......................
Our Wreck gardens crew (Joe, Lee, Cheryl, Victoria, me and Janet
you can come too- and any other volunteers)
Dressed in black coveralls and floppy garden hats, we will storm our
individual
libraries, locate and smash any JB propaganda with our various garden
tools.

Come and join us
Emilie aka Carrie Nation who was in the llibrary this
evening...................


Actually, I dropped a word with the library staff years ago about Jerry B
and he's mostly gone..and lots of organic books arrived. The local master
gardeners did the same.

C

On 1/8/08 9:36 PM, in article ,
"Val" wrote:


"mleblanca" wrote in message
news:e1391290-3bd7-48ec-a710- Oh, now, Val, I have this vision, you
see......................
Our Wreck gardens crew (Joe, Lee, Cheryl, Victoria, me and Janet
you can come too- and any other volunteers)
Dressed in black coveralls and floppy garden hats, we will storm our
individual
libraries, locate and smash any JB propaganda with our various garden
tools.

Come and join us
Emilie aka Carrie Nation who was in the llibrary this
evening...................

Tell you what......I'll just sit by the phone with my change jar at the
ready in case you need to make a "bail call".

Val



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