In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

When the pastures are treated with chicken litter 'round here if the wind is
coming from the wrong way you cannot breathe. It's not unpleasant, it
produces retching and gagging in the strongest stomache.

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Billy

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In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

"kzin" wrote in message
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On 27-Jan-2008, "David Hare-Scott" wrote:

It's not unpleasant, it produces retching and gagging in the strongest
stomache.

this could be the poster child sentence for avoiding double negatives....

Perhaps consider context before assuming that 'not unX' literally means 'X'.
To me the word 'unpleasant' has other connotations besides just 'not
pleasant'.

But taking your view if I had written "It's pleasant, it produces retching and
gagging in the strongest stomach". Does the apparent contradiction make it
meaningless, do you think it says the opposite of what I intended or are you
just confused?

Style games being rather OT, what are your thoughts on the use of urine as
fertiliser? Does the gag factor rule out this sort of nutrient recycling for
widespread use?

David

So you meant to write, "It's an indifferent smell, it produces retching
and gagging in the strongest stomach"?

I mean it appears to be a bread crumb of an error except for your
insistence on defending it.

What other smells do you find to be "not unpleasant, but it produces
retching and gagging in the strongest stomach"?
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Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

"kzin" wrote in message
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Regarding using urine as fertilizer I am not really qualified to say. From
what I have read urine is harmless except for this mildew it apparently
fosters in some plants. Feces on the other hand needs to be composted
before use due to various harmful bacteria.

Indeed

There was a reasonable point
made about the residue of drugs and other artificials being in urine that
could render it dangerous for use on edibles. I can't comment on that, I
just don't know.


I don't know either. I do know that such things sometimes pass through
unaltered and sometimes as metabolites that are chemical derivatives of the
original drug, sometimes the metabolites bear little relationship to the
original. I would suspect that the dilution of going into the soil, the
fraction that might be absorbed by plants and going through plant metabolism
would result in not much left but until somebody does a study we don't know.


David

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
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"kzin" wrote in message
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Regarding using urine as fertilizer I am not really qualified to say.
From
what I have read urine is harmless except for this mildew it apparently
fosters in some plants. Feces on the other hand needs to be composted
before use due to various harmful bacteria.

Indeed

There was a reasonable point
made about the residue of drugs and other artificials being in urine
that
could render it dangerous for use on edibles. I can't comment on that,
I
just don't know.


I don't know either. I do know that such things sometimes pass through
unaltered and sometimes as metabolites that are chemical derivatives of
the
original drug, sometimes the metabolites bear little relationship to the
original. I would suspect that the dilution of going into the soil, the
fraction that might be absorbed by plants and going through plant
metabolism
would result in not much left but until somebody does a study we don't
know.

Pharmwaste
http://lists.dep.state.fl.us/piperma...ly/000520.html

MONTREAL (CP) - Environment Canada researchers have found a dozen different
types of toxic drugs and even caffeine in water samples taken from the St.
Lawrence River in Quebec.

The drugs were found in concentrations less than 10 micrograms per litre
***after sewage treatment*** - "trace amounts," said researchers.

Although the study dealt specifically with the St. Lawrence, drug pollution
in waterways is widespread.

Drugs, birth control hormones, Prozac and perfume have all turned up in
similar studies in the United Kingdom and the United States in recent years.

U.S. and European studies have also found antibiotics, anti-depressants,
veterinary drugs and hormones in tap water.

Previous research from Chesapeake Bay to the Thames River has blamed
pharmacological and chemical pollution for the feminization of wild male
fish.

In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

"kzin" wrote in message
...

Regarding using urine as fertilizer I am not really qualified to say. From
what I have read urine is harmless except for this mildew it apparently
fosters in some plants. Feces on the other hand needs to be composted
before use due to various harmful bacteria.

Indeed

There was a reasonable point
made about the residue of drugs and other artificials being in urine that
could render it dangerous for use on edibles. I can't comment on that, I
just don't know.


I don't know either. I do know that such things sometimes pass through
unaltered and sometimes as metabolites that are chemical derivatives of the
original drug, sometimes the metabolites bear little relationship to the
original. I would suspect that the dilution of going into the soil, the
fraction that might be absorbed by plants and going through plant metabolism
would result in not much left but until somebody does a study we don't know.


David

Start here ---- http://www.newstarget.com/001891.html
then ---- http://www.chemicalbodyburden.org/
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Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...917874,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush