On Jan 31, 9:03 am, Comics Momma WebTV wrote:
He McCain is a lefty pinko.
Did not fight in viet nam, helped and assisted the viet cong by
turning himself in and being a prisoner.
Real patriot would not have surrendered. Pinkos surrender. My son
comic would not have surrendered, he would hide under his bed like
during this war.

....realizing I may be feeding a troll.......

John McCain is one of the bravest, giving, and honorable men ever to
have served his country. He is deserving of the highest levels of
respect.
People of good intent my not want him to be president, based on
political views, but that does not detract from his lifetime of
dedication to his heritage and nation.

cheers

oz, who has, for the first time since voting age, no candidate. If
only I could cut and paste from those running.

On Jan 31, 3:11�pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:03 am, Comics Momma WebTV wrote:

He McCain is a lefty pinko.
Did not fight in viet nam, helped and assisted the viet cong by
turning himself in and being a prisoner.
Real patriot would not have surrendered. � Pinkos surrender. � My son
comic would not have surrendered, he would hide under his bed like
during this war.

...realizing I may be feeding a troll.......

John McCain is one of the bravest, giving, and honorable men ever to
have served his country. �He is deserving of the highest levels of
respect.
People of good intent my not want him to be president, based on
political views, but that does not detract from his lifetime of
dedication to his heritage and nation.

cheers

oz, who has, for the first time since voting age, no candidate. �If
only I could cut and paste from those running.

he was a hero, but whats left is a shell of what WAS a great american.

he is a war monger, wants to remain in iraq for 20 years or more as a
occupying force.

the US needs a new start, that leaves obama.........

On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, " wrote:

John McCain .. wants to remain in iraq for 20 years...

This is why McCain is not electable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM&NR=1

"100 Years In Iraq" is not a good campaign slogan for 2008.
Nobody wants their grandkids to still be fighting this war.


Rudy's toast, Huckabee is a religious nut, Mitt is a douchebag,
so that leaves St. John of McCain and his Holy War.

There are no good choices on the GOP ticket: get ready for Hillary/
Obama


. d

Sad, in a way, that the repub party will be completely unrepresented.
Hilly reminds me of a lesbian power broker that will say anything, do
anything and go anyplace just to get elected.
I have nothing good to say about the USA and it deserves to be locked
into iraq for 100 years or until the evil empire collapses from
within. You guys voted the most obvious crook in twice, now pay for
it!

Nice if the bloomberg guy runs, he'd win in a landslide. Not sure of
his stance, but Osama and hilly scare me. Just thought of a funny,
Hilly and Billy in 08

In article
,
Doobie Keebler wrote:

On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, " wrote:

John McCain .. wants to remain in iraq for 20 years...

This is why McCain is not electable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM&NR=1

"100 Years In Iraq" is not a good campaign slogan for 2008.
Nobody wants their grandkids to still be fighting this war.


Rudy's toast, Huckabee is a religious nut, Mitt is a douchebag,
so that leaves St. John of McCain and his Holy War.

There are no good choices on the GOP ticket: get ready for Hillary/
Obama

I agree. McCain will get the Republican nomination, but he ****es off a
lot of conservatives, and he won't be able to rely on the religious
wing-nut base, which means a lot of Republicans will either sit out this
election or vote third party. I know know who will win the Democratic
nomination, but whomever it turns out to be will surely be our next
president.

Shawn Hirn wrote:

Crap that has o lace in alt.home.repair

PLONK goes the asshole.

Shawn Hirn wrote:

In article
,
Doobie Keebler wrote:


On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, " wrote:


John McCain .. wants to remain in iraq for 20 years...

This is why McCain is not electable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM&NR=1

"100 Years In Iraq" is not a good campaign slogan for 2008.
Nobody wants their grandkids to still be fighting this war.


Rudy's toast, Huckabee is a religious nut, Mitt is a douchebag,
so that leaves St. John of McCain and his Holy War.

There are no good choices on the GOP ticket: get ready for Hillary/
Obama


I agree. McCain will get the Republican nomination, but he ****es off a
lot of conservatives, and he won't be able to rely on the religious
wing-nut base, which means a lot of Republicans will either sit out this
election or vote third party. I know know who will win the Democratic
nomination, but whomever it turns out to be will surely be our next
president.

.... and a very good thing that will be, too. Bush and his clan have
wrought enough destruction it'll take two terms of a Democrat just
to get things back close to normal.


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In article , CJT
wrote:

Shawn Hirn wrote:

In article
,
Doobie Keebler wrote:


On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, " wrote:


John McCain .. wants to remain in iraq for 20 years...

This is why McCain is not electable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM&NR=1

"100 Years In Iraq" is not a good campaign slogan for 2008.
Nobody wants their grandkids to still be fighting this war.


Rudy's toast, Huckabee is a religious nut, Mitt is a douchebag,
so that leaves St. John of McCain and his Holy War.

There are no good choices on the GOP ticket: get ready for Hillary/
Obama


I agree. McCain will get the Republican nomination, but he ****es off a
lot of conservatives, and he won't be able to rely on the religious
wing-nut base, which means a lot of Republicans will either sit out this
election or vote third party. I know know who will win the Democratic
nomination, but whomever it turns out to be will surely be our next
president.

... and a very good thing that will be, too. Bush and his clan have
wrought enough destruction it'll take two terms of a Democrat just
to get things back close to normal.

Hopefully, the damage that Bush and his band of robber barons did can be
fixed in the next two terms, but I am skeptical.

CJT wrote:

... and a very good thing that will be, too. Bush and his clan have
wrought enough destruction it'll take two terms of a Democrat just
to get things back close to normal.

If you're not with us, you're on the side of the terrorists.

On a more practical level, the GOP is in nomination disarray. I predict that
JEB Bush will be the nominee! After eight years with JEB (leading us to
security, hegemony, and prosperity), it'll be time for that good-looking
Bush Hispanic nephew. By the end of his two terms, the dynasty will be well
established.

After that, it's only a small step to a monarchy, which is what we
Republicans are really working for.

Don't tell anybody!

HeyBub wrote:

CJT wrote:

... and a very good thing that will be, too. Bush and his clan have
wrought enough destruction it'll take two terms of a Democrat just
to get things back close to normal.


If you're not with us, you're on the side of the terrorists.

On a more practical level, the GOP is in nomination disarray. I predict that
JEB Bush will be the nominee! After eight years with JEB (leading us to
security, hegemony, and prosperity), it'll be time for that good-looking
Bush Hispanic nephew. By the end of his two terms, the dynasty will be well
established.

After that, it's only a small step to a monarchy, which is what we
Republicans are really working for.

Don't tell anybody!


The word is already out. Ain't gonna happen.

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In article , HeyBub wrote:
CJT wrote:

... and a very good thing that will be, too. Bush and his clan have
wrought enough destruction it'll take two terms of a Democrat just
to get things back close to normal.

If you're not with us, you're on the side of the terrorists.

I hope this is irony or some other class of humor!

Bush II got re-elected by being against the "terrorists" but has gone
through over 7 years, and over 6 of those after "9/11", without capturing
Osama bin Laden either dead or alive!

- Don Klipstein )

In article , CJT wrote:
Shawn Hirn wrote:

In article
,
Doobie Keebler wrote:

On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, " wrote:

John McCain .. wants to remain in iraq for 20 years...

This is why McCain is not electable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM&NR=1

"100 Years In Iraq" is not a good campaign slogan for 2008.
Nobody wants their grandkids to still be fighting this war.

Rudy's toast, Huckabee is a religious nut, Mitt is a douchebag,
so that leaves St. John of McCain and his Holy War.

There are no good choices on the GOP ticket: get ready for Hillary/
Obama

I agree. McCain will get the Republican nomination, but he ****es off a
lot of conservatives, and he won't be able to rely on the religious
wing-nut base, which means a lot of Republicans will either sit out this
election or vote third party. I know know who will win the Democratic
nomination, but whomever it turns out to be will surely be our next
president.

... and a very good thing that will be, too. Bush and his clan have
wrought enough destruction it'll take two terms of a Democrat just
to get things back close to normal.

I doubt anyone who is now or ever was a front-runner for the current
presidential election is going to win the job by honestly promising to fix
what is now broken. I see winning the job by either promising to keep
most broken things broken or by being expected to break promises to fix
what is broken.

I sorely wish that American voters would change this state!

- Don Klipstein )

Don Klipstein wrote:
In article , CJT wrote:

Shawn Hirn wrote:


In article
,
Doobie Keebler wrote:


On Jan 31, 2:44 pm, " wrote:


John McCain .. wants to remain in iraq for 20 years...

This is why McCain is not electable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM&NR=1

"100 Years In Iraq" is not a good campaign slogan for 2008.
Nobody wants their grandkids to still be fighting this war.

Rudy's toast, Huckabee is a religious nut, Mitt is a douchebag,
so that leaves St. John of McCain and his Holy War.

There are no good choices on the GOP ticket: get ready for Hillary/
Obama

I agree. McCain will get the Republican nomination, but he ****es off a
lot of conservatives, and he won't be able to rely on the religious
wing-nut base, which means a lot of Republicans will either sit out this
election or vote third party. I know know who will win the Democratic
nomination, but whomever it turns out to be will surely be our next
president.

... and a very good thing that will be, too. Bush and his clan have
wrought enough destruction it'll take two terms of a Democrat just
to get things back close to normal.


I doubt anyone who is now or ever was a front-runner for the current
presidential election is going to win the job by honestly promising to fix
what is now broken. I see winning the job by either promising to keep
most broken things broken or by being expected to break promises to fix
what is broken.

I sorely wish that American voters would change this state!

- Don Klipstein )

A good start would be admitting that there's more wrong than a couple
minor issues and that there is stuff that's broken that needs fixed...

It's like there's this 400 lb. gorilla in the room and both parties are
ignoring it... debt, war, recession, etc. etc. etc...

nate

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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:43:04 -0600, CJT wrote:

This is why McCain is not electable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM&NR=1


It is quite hard to figure the campaign slogans any more. The article
below does give a good picture.


CAMPAIGN OUTSIDER
Super Sunday spills to Super Tuesday
By Muhammad Cohen
Febuary 6, 2008 http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB06Aa01.html

HONG KONG - If Republicans are approaching Super Tuesday with
ambivalence, I can empathize, based on Super Sunday. But take heart,
GOPers: as the game unfolds, you're likely to discover where your true
feelings lie.

I tell people I have no interest in American professional football;
I'm a New York Jets fan. The Jets have long, ugly histories with both
the New York Giants and the New England Patriots. It's so bad that
every week, I root for the Jets, whoever's playing the Giants and
whoever's playing the Patriots. Imagine my dilemma on Super Sunday,
when the Giants played the Patriots for the championship.

Republicans don't have to imagine. Some candidates, particularly Iowa
caucus winner Mike Huckabee and Internet fundraising champ Ron Paul,
have passionate followings. Much of the Republican base, however, has
spent a long time rooting against frontrunners John McCain and Mitt
Romney.

Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, won elections in that
liberal state taking positions that make conservatives' blood boil. He
supported abortion rights and gun controls. He signed a landmark
mandatory health insurance bill that's the closest existing example of
Hillary Clinton's health plan. Romney has renounced those positions to
run as the true conservative in the 2008 race.

Bile booster
Some Republicans are willing to believe Romney, despite more faces
than a watch shop, since the alternative is the senior senator from
Arizona. McCain gets true believers' bile rising over his opposition
to President George W Bush's tax cuts and a constitutional amendment
to ban same-sex marriage, his support for immigration reform, campaign
finance reform, and stem cell research, and his refusal to kowtow to
party extremists.

They're particularly enraged that McCain reaches across the aisle to
work with Democrats. He's co-sponsored Senate legislation with objects
of right-wing wrath Russ Feingold and Ted Kennedy. Some call McCain a
RINO - Republican in name only. Those qualities would make McCain a
more attractive general election candidate and give him a better
chance of winning the White House, which only adds to true believers'
anguish.

With Romney, the base likes where he stands but they don't know if he
means it. With McCain, they often don't like where he stands, but they
know he means it. When all of the votes are counted on Super Tuesday,
it's likely the Republicans will know where their race stands and can
get back to their more comfortable position of lining up behind a
consensus favorite. It will be fun to watch whether the Republicans'
can win the general election with a large percentage of the base
holding its noses.

Who is the enemy?
But Super Tuesday won't solve the Republicans' far more agonizing
quandary: which Democrat should they hope to face in November?

Clinton-bashing has been a favorite Republican sport since the 1990s,
and Hillary has always been a prime target. They've demonized her as
the ultimate big spending liberal who wants to reach government's hand
more deeply into people's wallets, classrooms and sickbeds. The hatred
has only deepened since the Republican attack machine couldn't defeat
Bill Clinton in two presidential elections or stop Hillary from
winning two terms as a senator from New York.

Red-meat Republicans would never admit it, but the reason they hate
the Clintons so much is probably because they're so close. Many
Democrats criticize the Clintons as being too Republican rather than
too radical. Bill Clinton reformed the federal welfare system that was
a longstanding object of Republican wrath. He balanced the federal
budget, even ran a surplus, something Republicans wistfully lament as
an impossible dream.

The Clinton administration struck out on health care reform and walked
away from it. Bill Clinton gave the Republicans a sex scandal they
could only dream of; it's not the Clintons' fault that more
Republicans than Democrats fell victim when the morality police moved
from the White House to Capitol Hill.

Moreover, fire-breathing Republicans and the Clintons are comfortable
with the same kind of politics. They're happy to wrestle in the mud,
thinking they won if the other side got dirtier. Then everyone has a
shower and a brandy, and they get paid by all of us to do it again
tomorrow.

Base two calculation
The Clintons, like the Republicans, believe in playing to the base,
and now more than ever, it's evident their base is Bill and Hillary.
Imagine if the former president had expended a quarter of the energy
he's shown during five weeks of the primary season for the Democratic
presidential candidates in 2000 or 2004. It took two to tango the US
into its box of negative, nasty politics in which candidates cynically
search for slight advantages to reach 50.01% in a country split down
the middle; to answer Senator Barack Obama's debate question, the
Clintons sure can dance.

Obama offers something completely different, an approach to politics
that's uplifting not depressing. Despite what his position papers may
say - on health care, for example, Obama's position is closer to the
Republicans than Clinton's - and in his pledge to reach across the
aisle, Obama represents something dangerous for Republicans. All the
candidates are talking about change: Obama is the one who really means
it. Just in his first Senate term, he's not (yet, at least) a member
of the same club as the mainstreamers. If Republicans think McCain is
too much of a free thinker, Obama's a real nightmare.

Except, perhaps, at the voting booth. The Republican attack machine
would love a shot at Obama. He's a mixed race African-American with an
Arabic middle name who attended an Islamic school in the world's
largest Muslim country, Indonesia. He's admitted to illegal drug use.
His name is already connected with a big city political scandal in
Chicago. There's no end to Swift Boating fuel from the Obama well.

That's the real dilemma for the Republicans. Do they root for Clinton
who they've hated for years and haven't beaten in four shots, knowing
that it's not the end of the world if she wins again? (Maybe
Republicans will get the House of Representatives back, like they did
in 1994, with a Clinton in the White House ...) Or do they hope for a
shot at Obama who may be easier to beat, but poses a far greater
danger to change the face of politics?

I won't presume to understand the Republican mind, but I can tell you
how I felt during the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl between those
two teams I love to hate. When the Patriots scored a touchdown to put
them ahead and preserve their shot at an undefeated season, I found
myself rooting for the Giants.

I've hated the Giants for longer and find them more repugnant, but
I've learned to live with it and have survived their two previous
Super Bowl wins. I didn't want to see the Patriots change the face of
football history.

Former broadcast news producer Muhammad Cohen told America's story to
the world as a US Information Agency diplomat and is author of Hong
Kong On Air (www.hongkongonair.com), a novel set during the 1997
handover about television news, love, betrayal, high finance and cheap
lingerie.

Shawn Hirn wrote
Doobie Keebler wrote
wrote

John McCain .. wants to remain in iraq for 20 years...

He aint the only one that gets to decide that even if he is elected prez.

This is why McCain is not electable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM&NR=1

"100 Years In Iraq" is not a good campaign slogan for 2008.
Nobody wants their grandkids to still be fighting this war.

Rudy's toast, Huckabee is a religious nut, Mitt is a douchebag,
so that leaves St. John of McCain and his Holy War.

There are no good choices on the GOP ticket: get ready for Hillary/Obama

I agree. McCain will get the Republican nomination,
but he ****es off a lot of conservatives,

Those are unlikely to vote for either of the Democrat possibilitys.

and he won't be able to rely on the religious wing-nut base,

Those are even less likely to vote for either of the Democrat possibilitys.

which means a lot of Republicans will either sit out this election or vote third party.

Or vote for McCain as the best of a bad pair of alternatives.

I know know who will win the Democratic nomination, but
whomever it turns out to be will surely be our next president.

We'll see... They might well blow both feet right off as they often do.