my grandmother had a really wonderful crabapple at the back of
her garden in western NY. she died last year & now my aunt is
thinking of selling the house.
i want to know if i can get grafts of that tree & grow them
on an old, non-producing apple tree here in NH. if that's
possible, how much time do i have between cutting the scions &
grafting them to my tree? what time of year is best? is it
possible to just root cuttings from the crabapple? i probably
have a year or so timeframe to get this done.
lee
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enigma wrote:

my grandmother had a really wonderful crabapple at the back of
her garden in western NY. she died last year & now my aunt is
thinking of selling the house.
i want to know if i can get grafts of that tree & grow them
on an old, non-producing apple tree here in NH. if that's
possible, how much time do i have between cutting the scions &
grafting them to my tree? what time of year is best? is it
possible to just root cuttings from the crabapple? i probably
have a year or so timeframe to get this done.
lee

Tough Question. I¹d start now and do a few every month till no longer
an option. Crabapples are tough so maybe they will excuse multiple
mistakes. Time ...unless you winter them in the ground , I'd say the
sooner the better. I do not know if apple wood can winter over buried
but if last resort give it a try. Grape hard wood cuttings can.

Bill

Anyone know better practice ?

Just sticking my Bamboo Begonia in water works.

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Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Bill wrote in

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In article ,
enigma wrote:

my grandmother had a really wonderful crabapple at the
back of her garden in western NY. she died last year & now
my aunt is thinking of selling the house.
i want to know if i can get grafts of that tree & grow
them
on an old, non-producing apple tree here in NH. if that's
possible, how much time do i have between cutting the
scions & grafting them to my tree? what time of year is
best? is it possible to just root cuttings from the
crabapple? i probably have a year or so timeframe to get
this done.

Tough Question. I¹d start now and do a few every month
till no longer
an option.

it's a 12 hour drive to get there. i don't get there too
often, but i will try if i have to.


Crabapples are tough so maybe they will excuse
multiple mistakes. Time ...unless you winter them in the
ground , I'd say the sooner the better. I do not know if
apple wood can winter over buried but if last resort give
it a try. Grape hard wood cuttings can.

i think i'll try the rooting pots that Lee Valley sells on
one branch, & take some cuttings to try to scion onto my
apple. i'm even willing to buy a young apple tree if that
might take a graft easier.

Anyone know better practice ?

Just sticking my Bamboo Begonia in water works.

i've had that work with roses & willows (but willows will root
in just about anything).i just haven't had much experience
grafting or rooting apples.

lee
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In article ,
enigma wrote:

Bill wrote in

news.net:

In article ,
enigma wrote:

my grandmother had a really wonderful crabapple at the
back of her garden in western NY. she died last year & now
my aunt is thinking of selling the house.
i want to know if i can get grafts of that tree & grow
them
on an old, non-producing apple tree here in NH. if that's
possible, how much time do i have between cutting the
scions & grafting them to my tree? what time of year is
best? is it possible to just root cuttings from the
crabapple? i probably have a year or so timeframe to get
this done.

Tough Question. I¹d start now and do a few every month
till no longer
an option.

it's a 12 hour drive to get there. i don't get there too
often, but i will try if i have to.


Crabapples are tough so maybe they will excuse
multiple mistakes. Time ...unless you winter them in the
ground , I'd say the sooner the better. I do not know if
apple wood can winter over buried but if last resort give
it a try. Grape hard wood cuttings can.

i think i'll try the rooting pots that Lee Valley sells on
one branch, & take some cuttings to try to scion onto my
apple. i'm even willing to buy a young apple tree if that
might take a graft easier.

Anyone know better practice ?

Just sticking my Bamboo Begonia in water works.

i've had that work with roses & willows (but willows will root
in just about anything).i just haven't had much experience
grafting or rooting apples.

lee

I like Lee Valley a lot. Have a few of their Japanese Carpenter
knives. Cheap and sharp.

Bill who thinks 12 hour drive with the the way gas is may ask for an
overnight shipment from a relative close by the apple.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article ,
enigma wrote:

i think i'll try the rooting pots that Lee Valley sells on
one branch, & take some cuttings to try to scion onto my
apple. i'm even willing to buy a young apple tree if that
might take a graft easier.

Leaving suckers from rootstock much less the rest of the tree is bad
news for grapes. Instead of pushing through the graft (scion), the
rootstock will preferentially push native buds to the detriment of the
grafted stock. Seems to be the same thing with my dwarf peach trees. I
suggest you get rootstock to graft onto, if it isn't possible to grow it
on its' own roots.
--

Billy

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Billy wrote in

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In article ,
enigma wrote:

i think i'll try the rooting pots that Lee Valley sells
on
one branch, & take some cuttings to try to scion onto my
apple. i'm even willing to buy a young apple tree if that
might take a graft easier.

Leaving suckers from rootstock much less the rest of the
tree is bad news for grapes. Instead of pushing through the
graft (scion), the rootstock will preferentially push
native buds to the detriment of the grafted stock. Seems to
be the same thing with my dwarf peach trees. I suggest you
get rootstock to graft onto, if it isn't possible to grow
it on its' own roots.

apples are commonly grafted though. i almost bought a orchard
in upstate NY, where all the trees in one block had just been
regrafted to the new popular varieties. what they do is cut
off the entire crown & then quarter cut the trunk about an
inch, putting in 4 grafts of the latest fad & covering the
graft with beeswax. that way you have trees bearing full tilt
in one year, rather than waiting 5 years for seedlings to get
established... you can also graft 2 or more varieties on one
trunk to save on space. (the reason i didn't buy was 15 acres
was under high tension powerlines & 50+ acres just behind the
orchard & right next to the spring that supplied the farm's
water had been sold to a developer. looked like a headache in
the making).
at any rate, i know apples can be grafted as scions and can
be bud grafted. i just don't know which is a better idea with
the crabapple. my hopeful rootstock tree is not producing
apples. it had a cedar tree right next to it (which the llamas
kindly ate, stopping the cedar-apple rust issue) & hasn't been
pruned in over 15 years. i'm working on getting it in some
kind of reasonable health currently.
lee
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In article ,
enigma wrote:

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

In article ,
enigma wrote:

i think i'll try the rooting pots that Lee Valley sells
on
one branch, & take some cuttings to try to scion onto my
apple. i'm even willing to buy a young apple tree if that
might take a graft easier.

Leaving suckers from rootstock much less the rest of the
tree is bad news for grapes. Instead of pushing through the
graft (scion), the rootstock will preferentially push
native buds to the detriment of the grafted stock. Seems to
be the same thing with my dwarf peach trees. I suggest you
get rootstock to graft onto, if it isn't possible to grow
it on its' own roots.

apples are commonly grafted though. i almost bought a orchard
in upstate NY, where all the trees in one block had just been
regrafted to the new popular varieties. what they do is cut
off the entire crown & then quarter cut the trunk about an
inch, putting in 4 grafts of the latest fad & covering the
graft with beeswax. that way you have trees bearing full tilt
in one year, rather than waiting 5 years for seedlings to get
established... you can also graft 2 or more varieties on one
trunk to save on space. (the reason i didn't buy was 15 acres
was under high tension powerlines & 50+ acres just behind the
orchard & right next to the spring that supplied the farm's
water had been sold to a developer. looked like a headache in
the making).
at any rate, i know apples can be grafted as scions and can
be bud grafted. i just don't know which is a better idea with
the crabapple. my hopeful rootstock tree is not producing
apples. it had a cedar tree right next to it (which the llamas
kindly ate, stopping the cedar-apple rust issue) & hasn't been
pruned in over 15 years. i'm working on getting it in some
kind of reasonable health currently.
lee

From apples, I know nothing, except that I like to eat them. The
caution I was trying to express is that with grapes you can graft a bud
to an in place root system, but you can't let the rootstock push any
buds or the grafted buds are goners. In viticulture, it's called
t-budding. Instead of planting grafted vines (a rooted cane of root
stock grafted to a cane of fruit wood with cambiums crossing) and
waiting 4 - 5 years for a harvest, you can t-bud (whack the top off an
existing vine and insert buds on either side with cambiums crossing one
another) and have a harvest in 2 years (only year old wood sets fruit).

So I guess that crabapples aren't demonstrably different than other
apples.
--

Billy

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enigma wrote:

apples are commonly grafted though. i almost bought a orchard
in upstate NY, where all the trees in one block had just been
regrafted to the new popular varieties. what they do is cut
off the entire crown & then quarter cut the trunk about an
inch, putting in 4 grafts of the latest fad & covering the
graft with beeswax. that way you have trees bearing full tilt
in one year, rather than waiting 5 years for seedlings to get
established... you can also graft 2 or more varieties on one
trunk to save on space. (the reason i didn't buy was 15 acres
was under high tension powerlines & 50+ acres just behind the
orchard & right next to the spring that supplied the farm's
water had been sold to a developer. looked like a headache in
the making).
at any rate, i know apples can be grafted as scions and can
be bud grafted.

Apples are best done with a whip and tongue, cleft graft, etc. in
the Spring time. Bud grafting is commonly done on things like stone
fruits in the Summer time.

i just don't know which is a better idea with
the crabapple. my hopeful rootstock tree is not producing
apples. it had a cedar tree right next to it (which the llamas
kindly ate, stopping the cedar-apple rust issue)

Just for the record, it is not Cedar trees which give apple
cedar rust, but Junipers. The Eastern Red-Cedars are miss-named ,
because they are really in the Juniper family (Juniperus virginiana).
Keep all Junipers away from your apple trees.

Sherwin

& hasn't been
pruned in over 15 years. i'm working on getting it in some
kind of reasonable health currently.
lee
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Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
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enigma wrote:

Bill wrote in

news.net:

In article ,
enigma wrote:

my grandmother had a really wonderful crabapple at the
back of her garden in western NY. she died last year & now
my aunt is thinking of selling the house.
i want to know if i can get grafts of that tree & grow
them
on an old, non-producing apple tree here in NH. if that's
possible, how much time do i have between cutting the
scions & grafting them to my tree?

You have to take the scion pieces off the crabapple before the tree
goes out of dormancy. Take the new growth portion of the branches
for best results. You then should wrap them in saran wrap and put them
in a plastic sealed bag with a piece of damp toweling and place that in a
cool dark place like your frig. Spring is the best time to do apple
grafting.
Keeping them for next year would probably reduce their viability quite a
bit.

what time of year is
best? is it possible to just root cuttings from the
crabapple? i probably have a year or so timeframe to get
this done.

Your best time is to do it this Spring.



Tough Question. I¹d start now and do a few every month
till no longer
an option.

it's a 12 hour drive to get there. i don't get there too
often, but i will try if i have to.

Crabapples are tough so maybe they will excuse
multiple mistakes. Time ...unless you winter them in the
ground , I'd say the sooner the better. I do not know if
apple wood can winter over buried but if last resort give
it a try. Grape hard wood cuttings can.

i think i'll try the rooting pots that Lee Valley sells on
one branch, & take some cuttings to try to scion onto my
apple. i'm even willing to buy a young apple tree if that
might take a graft easier.

You may have better luck with a graft taking if you use a young
vigoruous apple tree, rather than an older tree. Better yet, get
a hold of a apple rootstock for this job. You can then prune
off all the rootstock branches, so that you will direct all the roots
energy into the scion you have grafted atop it.



Anyone know better practice ?

Just sticking my Bamboo Begonia in water works.

i've had that work with roses & willows (but willows will root
in just about anything).i just haven't had much experience
grafting or rooting apple

Grafting is probably a preferable technique than rooting.

Sherwin



lee