In article ,
Ernie Willson wrote:

It looks like a very young Canada thistle plant to me..and the only
thing that I have found to kill it is fresh roundup. ISTM that when
Roundup gets older it loses it's punch.

You can also get rid of it by digging it up. In my soil I cannot pull it
up..it just breaks off.

EJ in NJ

wrote:
This weed, which we call "The Tumor" (in your best Arnold
Schwartzenager voice) is drivng us nuts. It comes on super fast,
grows super fast and returns after we pull it out. Its got prickly
edges. See phot link below.

Is there a chemical based weed killer that can take this out? Preen
did nothing to it. This weed just laughed at Preen.

http://ucemergencymedicineorg.siteprotect.net/weed.jpg

Grrrr-owl
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- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

"mleblanca" wrote in message
On Apr 24, 7:36 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Charlie wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

Thistles are actually wonderful plants as they are 'deep miners'. What
I
mean by that is that they send their roots down waaaay deep and bring
minerals up into the top soil.

This is a point too often not made and too often forgotten.

Thistles are good additions to the compost pile, because of this deep
mining, provided they are nicked out before seeding.

Thistles smell good too, but I still think it's wild lettuce. I
suppose one way to tell is if the OP screams when they step on it.

I agree that it is a Lactuca, or maybe a Sonchus, sow thistle.
The leaves are immature and its difficult to tell the difference at
this stage.
I don't think the leaves are dentate or prickly enough to be a true
thistle (Circium)

It's certainly not a Lactuca and I doubt that it's a sow thistle.

It one of the other thistles. It's identical to the thisles I get here each
year in bucket loads. I live on a farm that had a major thistle and other
weed problem when we arrived here nearly 20 years ago. I get these thistle
seedlings emerging all over the garden every year. And it certainly isn't a
Lactuca as I also have the honour of those coming up each year.

As to which variety of thistle it is....... can't tell you that.

On Apr 24, 10:16*pm, Charlie wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:39:51 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

Thistles are actually wonderful plants as they are 'deep miners'. *What I
mean by that is that they send their roots down waaaay deep and bring
minerals up into the top soil. *

This is a point too often not made and too often forgotten.

Thistles are good additions to the compost pile, because of this deep
mining, provided they are nicked out before seeding.

Charlie

yep. dandelions too.

On Apr 24, 10:36*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:16:02 -0500, Charlie wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:39:51 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

Thistles are actually wonderful plants as they are 'deep miners'. *What I
mean by that is that they send their roots down waaaay deep and bring
minerals up into the top soil. *

This is a point too often not made and too often forgotten.

Thistles are good additions to the compost pile, because of this deep
mining, provided they are nicked out before seeding.

Charlie

Thistles smell good too, but I still think it's wild lettuce. I
suppose one way to tell is if the OP screams when they step on it.

Kate

if it's lettuce, breaking the leaf off will produce white milky sap.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:11:24 -0700 (PDT), z
wrote:

On Apr 24, 10:36*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:16:02 -0500, Charlie wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:39:51 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

Thistles are actually wonderful plants as they are 'deep miners'. *What I
mean by that is that they send their roots down waaaay deep and bring
minerals up into the top soil. *

This is a point too often not made and too often forgotten.

Thistles are good additions to the compost pile, because of this deep
mining, provided they are nicked out before seeding.

Charlie

Thistles smell good too, but I still think it's wild lettuce. I
suppose one way to tell is if the OP screams when they step on it.

Kate

if it's lettuce, breaking the leaf off will produce white milky sap.

That certainly does sound like a better way to test, especially if
wearing gloves.

A common name for Lactuca was Poor Man's Opium, with the milky white
sap and the sedative effect.

Kate - it helps me sleep

On Apr 26, 8:56*pm, wrote:


A common name for Lactuca was Poor Man's Opium, with the milky white
sap and the sedative effect.

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Hooked on Salad; the Tragedy of Veganism.

"z" wrote in message
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On Apr 26, 8:56 pm, wrote:


A common name for Lactuca was Poor Man's Opium, with the milky white
sap and the sedative effect.

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Hooked on Salad; the Tragedy of Veganism.

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It's a gateway drug. It leads to croutons.

Charlie wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:10:33 -0700 (PDT), z
wrote:

On Apr 24, 10:16 pm, Charlie wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:39:51 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

Thistles are actually wonderful plants as they are 'deep miners'. What
I
mean by that is that they send their roots down waaaay deep and bring
minerals up into the top soil.

This is a point too often not made and too often forgotten.

Thistles are good additions to the compost pile, because of this deep
mining, provided they are nicked out before seeding.

Charlie

yep. dandelions too.

Yes indeedy.

Dandelions have several uses round here.

Salads, teas, fried blossoms....and compost.

Oh, and fun for the grands to blow seedheads.


Makes a dandy wine too.

On Apr 27, 6:05*am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
Charlie wrote in message

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On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:10:33 -0700 (PDT), z
wrote:

On Apr 24, 10:16 pm, Charlie wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:39:51 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

Thistles are actually wonderful plants as they are 'deep miners'. What
I
mean by that is that they send their roots down waaaay deep and bring
minerals up into the top soil.

This is a point too often not made and too often forgotten.

Thistles are good additions to the compost pile, because of this deep
mining, provided they are nicked out before seeding.

Charlie

yep. dandelions too.

Yes indeedy.

Dandelions have several uses round here.

Salads, teas, fried blossoms....and compost.

Oh, and fun for the grands to blow seedheads.

Makes a dandy wine too.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you want to remove it entirely, save your fingers, use a precise
deep root extractor like a weed twister or weed popper. Less soil
disturbance than shovels and hoes.

Good discussion...

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:39:51 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

Thistles are actually wonderful plants as they are 'deep miners'. What
I
mean by that is that they send their roots down waaaay deep and bring
minerals up into the top soil.

Thistles (and dandelions) grow in poor undeveloped soils. As FarmI said,
they bring nutrients to the surface. The are both good as food and
medicine to them whats got any sense. If you want to get rid of
thistles, improve the quality of your soil.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:39:51 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

Thistles are actually wonderful plants as they are 'deep miners'.
What
I
mean by that is that they send their roots down waaaay deep and bring
minerals up into the top soil.

Thistles (and dandelions) grow in poor undeveloped soils. As FarmI said,
they bring nutrients to the surface. The are both good as food and
medicine to them whats got any sense. If you want to get rid of
thistles, improve the quality of your soil.

Reminds me of.

http://www.amazon.com/Weeds-What-The...8250043/ref=sr
_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240857469&sr=1-1

Pfeiffer a biodynamic kind of guy.

Bill 91 F. aat 2:25 pm Record 93 set in 1915

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Not all who wander are lost.
- J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973)

In article ,
Bill wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:39:51 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote:

Thistles are actually wonderful plants as they are 'deep miners'.
What
I
mean by that is that they send their roots down waaaay deep and
bring
minerals up into the top soil.

Thistles (and dandelions) grow in poor undeveloped soils. As FarmI said,
they bring nutrients to the surface. The are both good as food and
medicine to them whats got any sense. If you want to get rid of
thistles, improve the quality of your soil.

Reminds me of.

http://www.amazon.com/Weeds-What-The...8250043/ref=sr
_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240857469&sr=1-1

Pfeiffer a biodynamic kind of guy.
Not since 1961. Bio, fer sure. Dynamic, not so much.

Bill 91 F. aat 2:25 pm Record 93 set in 1915
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html