In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

: Crit Care Nurs Clin North Am. 2007 Mar;19(1):27-38.
Links

Rickettsial and other tick-borne infections.
Flicek BF.
Internal Medicine of Newton County, 4181 Hospital Drive NE, Suite 404,
Covington, GA 30014, USA.

Tick bites are best prevented by people avoiding tick-infested areas.

When this is not possible, tick bites may be prevented by the wearing
of long trousers that are tucked into boots. The best method to avoid
tick bites is twofold: application of a topical deet
(N,N-diethyl-m-toluamide) repellent to exposed skin, and treatment of
clothing with permethrin. This system is currently used by the US Army
to protect soldiers. Ticks can crawl underneath clothing and bite
untreated portions of the body; therefore, treating clothing is
imperative. Permethrin is nontoxic to humans, and can be used in any age
group. Permethrin is commercially available. Checking clothing regularly
while in tick-infested areas is highly recommended to back up the few
hours of protection provided by the insect repellents. It is also
recommended that the entire body be carefully screened for ticks and
other parasites by campers and hunters while they are staying in and
after leaving infested areas. Any tick found should be removed
immediately. Removing ticks may not be easy. It is best to use blunt,
rounded forceps, and a magnifying glass to remove ticks, especially when
immature ticks are found. The forceps are used to grasp the mouthparts
of the tick as close as possible to the skin, and then the tick is
pulled upward, perpendicular to the skin, with a continuous and steady
action. Usually any mouth parts of the tick retained in the skin are
eliminated uneventfully by the body. Other methods of removing ticks,
such as using fingers, lighted cigarettes, petroleum jelly, or suntan
oil, should be avoided. Killing the tick in situ may increase the risk
of regurgitation by the tick and the transmission of infectious agents.
Most stick bites are uncomplicated, and result only in benign cutaneous
inflammatory reactions that may be pruritic for a few days. As a result
of mouthparts being retained at the feeding site, a granuloma may rarely
develop. There are no data to indicate that antimicrobial prophylaxsis
is beneficial to the tick-bitten patient to prevent disease. It must be
kept in mind that the risk of transmission of disease increases with the
duration of attachment and generally requires greater than 24 to 48
hours. The degree of tick engorgement or the time since tick exposure
and discovery of the tick may be used to establish the likely duration
of attachment and the risk of disease transmission. Reducing and
controlling tick populations is difficult. Habitat modifications,
including vegetation management by cutting, burning, and herbicide
treatment, and drainage of wet areas are one strategy for tick control,
but their effects are often short-lived, and they can cause severe
ecologic damage. Chemicals used to control ticks may cause environmental
contamination, and therefore, toxicity for humans and animals. Biologic
control methods for ticks include the promotion of natural predators.
Natural predators of ticks are beetles, spiders, and ants, and parasites
such as insects, mites and nematodes. Tick control is best based on the
concept of integrated pest management, in which different control
methods are adapted to one area or against one tick species with due
consideration to their environmental effects. Tick-borne diseases are
increasing in prevalence. Perhaps it is because people are undertaking
more outdoor activities, which result in contact with ticks and their
pathogens. Clinicians should be aware of the clinical sign of
tick-transmitted diseases, because morbidity and mortality as a result
of these diseases increases substantially if there are delays in
diagnosis and treatment. Tick-borne illness occur in distinctive
geographic areas. The reporting of these illnesses and diseases to the
health department enables the gathering of information and statistics.
The public should be informed about the risks of disease in
tick-infested areas and the means of preventing infections. The most
common diseases are caused by Rickettsia, Borrelia, and Ehrichia, but
with continued study, new pathogens and diseases will continue to emerge.
PMID: 17338947 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


............
Bill who has had 4 deer tick and 6 regular ticks so far this spring.
Sucks but I dislike chiggers more. Spouse had Lymes in about 1975 before
it was named. Bell's palsy ...nasty.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Don't go outside stay indoors. You will die in time but most likely
of boredom.


Sweetie-pie

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:45:48 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Don't go outside stay indoors. You will die in time but most likely
of boredom.


What would be the purpose of that? I have no trouble going outside
where the ticks are. They don't scare me and neither does a
prescription for tetracycline if I am at risk of Lyme.

And the last time I was biten by a tick, it hitched a ride indoors on
a dog and I never even had to venture outside at all to get it to fall
in blood-love with me.

I know how to check for and even remove all by my itty-bitty girly
self, any ticks that attach themselves to me or mine. And also have
the presence of mind to identify the obvious ones, and yet preserve
them and take them to be identified if I cannot.

It doesn't take a genius to deal with the critters out of doors. IT
takes knowledge and proper precautions. However, it takes an idiot
who endangers oneself rather than take a prophylactic dosage of
antibiotic for 24 hours when evidence points to the possibility that
one has been bitten by a Lyme-bearing tick.

Sweetie-pie

What's your problem with a doctor prescribing an antibiotic, Honey
Lamb? There are an awful lot of gullible people around here who seem
to swallow most anything that gets jabbered about on any
unsubstantiated blog, so surely you can swallow some medical advice.

Boron

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:45:48 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Don't go outside stay indoors. You will die in time but most likely
of boredom.


What would be the purpose of that? I have no trouble going outside
where the ticks are. They don't scare me and neither does a
prescription for tetracycline if I am at risk of Lyme.

And the last time I was biten by a tick, it hitched a ride indoors on
a dog and I never even had to venture outside at all to get it to fall
in blood-love with me.

I know how to check for and even remove all by my itty-bitty girly
self, any ticks that attach themselves to me or mine. And also have
the presence of mind to identify the obvious ones, and yet preserve
them and take them to be identified if I cannot.

It doesn't take a genius to deal with the critters out of doors. IT
takes knowledge and proper precautions. However, it takes an idiot
who endangers oneself rather than take a prophylactic dosage of
antibiotic for 24 hours when evidence points to the possibility that
one has been bitten by a Lyme-bearing tick.

Sweetie-pie

What's your problem with a doctor prescribing an antibiotic, Honey
Lamb? There are an awful lot of gullible people around here who seem
to swallow most anything that gets jabbered about on any
unsubstantiated blog, so surely you can swallow some medical advice.

Boron

Honey lamb , sweetie strange in deed.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens

On Jun 11, 4:49*pm, Boron Elgar wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:45:48 -0400, Bill who putters





wrote:
In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. *If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. *And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Don't go outside stay indoors. *You will die in time but *most likely *
of boredom.

What would be the purpose of that? I have no trouble going outside
where the ticks are. *They don't scare me and neither does a
prescription for tetracycline if I am at risk of Lyme.

And the last time I was biten by a tick, it hitched a ride indoors on
a dog and I never even had to venture outside at all to get it to fall
in blood-love with me.

I know how to check for and even remove all by my itty-bitty girly
self, any ticks that attach themselves to me or mine. *And also have
the presence of mind to identify the obvious ones, and yet preserve
them and take them to be identified if I cannot.

It doesn't take a genius to deal with the critters out of doors. IT
takes knowledge and proper precautions. However, *it takes an idiot
who endangers oneself rather than take a prophylactic dosage of
antibiotic for 24 hours when evidence points to the possibility that
one has been bitten by a Lyme-bearing tick.

*Sweetie-pie

What's your problem with a doctor prescribing an antibiotic, Honey
Lamb? *There are an awful lot of gullible people around here who seem
to swallow most anything that gets jabbered about on any
unsubstantiated blog, so surely you can swallow some medical advice.

Boron- Hide quoted text -

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Your advice is sound.
I once had a bullseye rash but doctor said it was a chigger bite in a
rash area caused by something else
He prescribed antibiotic as well as a Lymes test. When I asked him
why the test and antibiotic since he was sure it was a chigger, he
just said that's the way they do it. Guess it was legal protection
for him.

Not everyone gets the bulls eye pattern or any rash.
There are quit a few false negatives with the test.
At least in dogs one of the first symptoms is painful joints.
It is much better to treat any tick bite like an infection.
Ingrid

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:32:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank wrote:
Your advice is sound.
I once had a bullseye rash but doctor said it was a chigger bite in a
rash area caused by something else
He prescribed antibiotic as well as a Lymes test. When I asked him
why the test and antibiotic since he was sure it was a chigger, he
just said that's the way they do it. Guess it was legal protection
for him.
Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan
on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago

My tick bite was ~12yrs ago. I vacationed in Northern Minnesota for a
week. A couple days after I was home again I turned just right in the
mirror after a shower and noticed a big red circle about 3inches across.
Would you believe I thought it was a burn from a heating pad?! I feel
stupid now but bullseye to me is rings like in darts or archery. This
was round, red like sunburn, had spider vein streaks going outward from
a teeny tiny centered ulcer with a pus cap on it. I remember I scraped
off the pus cap and used peroxide on it. Years later thanks to Google
Images I realized what it really was. I already knew before I asked the
dr about it that they roll their eyes about tick bites. But they
dutifully tested, test came back inconclusive, it was forwarded to a
state lab, and I never heard from anyone again.
I love Northern Minnesota-why is it that every Eden has a Serpent?!

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Wish you would replace the B with an M.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Music look for Wim Mertens

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:22:19 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:53:51 -0400, Bill who putters
wrote:

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

In areas where Lyme is rife, the common practice if there is a tick
bite from an unidentified tick is 24 prophylactic treatment with
tetracycline. Better safe.

Boron

This is insane. If you have a bulls eye then see a doc.

Bill

Since up to 40% of Lyme infections leave no tell-tale bull's eye,
that's dicey. And fewer that one in ten produce a classic bull's eye
rash. And stats show that only about 30% of those diagnosed with Lyme
even recall a rash. And the rash may not appear for a week or two. And
you need to add in those who are darker skinned and on whom the rash
would be difficult to discern and don't forget those who get their
rash in a place that isn't easy to see, such as the scalp or...shall I
go on?

Get a clue, sweetie. Try reading the *whole* post for content, instead
of freaking out about mention of a 24 dose of antibiotics.

Boron

Wish you would replace the B with an M.

Bill

To please you, who seems full of BM?

Go on, smartass, disprove anything I posted, if you think you're so
frikkin' smart. If you can't, then who's a moron, eh? I am posting
facts here, not your sort of drivel opinion.

Boron