For winter reading I just got this book. A very interesting book! So Far!
"Creative Propagation 2ed by Peter Thompson" ISBN-10: 0881926817
This book is has my brown thumb getting a little sore. This book is
packed with information and is going to take me a while to absorb.

Expanding my garden horizon here. Learning to make new plants from
cuttings. I want lots of shrubs - cheap, time is not important. This
book has my brain cooking (bad). It talks about these Plant Cloning
Machines. I am hard pressed to find any negative information about these
machines. Other machines are in the hundreds of dollars. I could buy
five "Daisy 8" machines over the "Power Cloner 45" or the "EZ Clone
Machine - 30". Are they worth getting?

I was looking at getting a cheap one to start off with, the
"Daisy Cloner 8" it was the cheapest that I could find.
http://www.amazon.com/Atlantis-Hydro...p/B001JL0BLM/r
ef=pd_sbs_k_2

Are these machines worth it?
Will I regret the cheap "Daisy Cloner 8" to start of with?
Is it better to just put cuttings into some cloning gel?

I know I can't use apple fruit seeds reliably and I do not want some
grafted tree onto cheap or shorten root stock. Can I make a full size
fruit tree or a rose bush from a cutting that matches the parent?

Enjoy Life... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.

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,
"Dan L." wrote:

For winter reading I just got this book. A very interesting book! So Far!
"Creative Propagation 2ed by Peter Thompson" ISBN-10: 0881926817
This book is has my brown thumb getting a little sore. This book is
packed with information and is going to take me a while to absorb.

Expanding my garden horizon here. Learning to make new plants from
cuttings. I want lots of shrubs - cheap, time is not important. This
book has my brain cooking (bad). It talks about these Plant Cloning
Machines. I am hard pressed to find any negative information about these
machines. Other machines are in the hundreds of dollars. I could buy
five "Daisy 8" machines over the "Power Cloner 45" or the "EZ Clone
Machine - 30". Are they worth getting?

I was looking at getting a cheap one to start off with, the
"Daisy Cloner 8" it was the cheapest that I could find.
http://www.amazon.com/Atlantis-Hydro...p/B001JL0BLM/r
ef=pd_sbs_k_2

Are these machines worth it?
Will I regret the cheap "Daisy Cloner 8" to start of with?
Is it better to just put cuttings into some cloning gel?

I know I can't use apple fruit seeds reliably and I do not want some
grafted tree onto cheap or shorten root stock. Can I make a full size
fruit tree or a rose bush from a cutting that matches the parent?

Enjoy Life... Dan

I've tried air layering and gave it up. I created a propagation system
for azaleas and other hard woods and gave it up which used a mister on a
timer. Maybe 15 per 100 took and then still lost more in time. I've
planted 3 node grape and rose and other hard woods over winter and you
guessed it I gave it up.
Still I propagate all sorts of plants. How by placing a brick on low
branches. Root layer is my modus operand exclusively almost. Japanese
maples just from seed I can't graft either. Can divide and do just
about anything that likes it like day lilies and similar plants like
hellebores or hosta. Been doing this for awhile. They make good gifts.
Still I will try air layering of tree peonies yet again. Challenge
and fun. Good book to look at " Plants-A-Plenty". Many stars and about
whereas my Technical garden books are somewhere.
Guess I should have seeked out a course or person who knew what was
missing in my knowledge. But I was working shift work and the plant
work did not make the top ten of things to do. A regret.
A minor one.

Bill

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

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Bill who putters wrote:

In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

For winter reading I just got this book. A very interesting book! So Far!
"Creative Propagation 2ed by Peter Thompson" ISBN-10: 0881926817
This book is has my brown thumb getting a little sore. This book is
packed with information and is going to take me a while to absorb.

Expanding my garden horizon here. Learning to make new plants from
cuttings. I want lots of shrubs - cheap, time is not important. This
book has my brain cooking (bad). It talks about these Plant Cloning
Machines. I am hard pressed to find any negative information about these
machines. Other machines are in the hundreds of dollars. I could buy
five "Daisy 8" machines over the "Power Cloner 45" or the "EZ Clone
Machine - 30". Are they worth getting?

I was looking at getting a cheap one to start off with, the
"Daisy Cloner 8" it was the cheapest that I could find.
http://www.amazon.com/Atlantis-Hydro...p/B001JL0BLM/r
ef=pd_sbs_k_2

Are these machines worth it?
Will I regret the cheap "Daisy Cloner 8" to start of with?
Is it better to just put cuttings into some cloning gel?

I know I can't use apple fruit seeds reliably and I do not want some
grafted tree onto cheap or shorten root stock. Can I make a full size
fruit tree or a rose bush from a cutting that matches the parent?

Enjoy Life... Dan

I've tried air layering and gave it up. I created a propagation system
for azaleas and other hard woods and gave it up which used a mister on a
timer. Maybe 15 per 100 took and then still lost more in time. I've
planted 3 node grape and rose and other hard woods over winter and you
guessed it I gave it up.
Still I propagate all sorts of plants. How by placing a brick on low
branches. Root layer is my modus operand exclusively almost. Japanese
maples just from seed I can't graft either. Can divide and do just
about anything that likes it like day lilies and similar plants like
hellebores or hosta. Been doing this for awhile. They make good gifts.
Still I will try air layering of tree peonies yet again. Challenge
and fun. Good book to look at " Plants-A-Plenty". Many stars and about
whereas my Technical garden books are somewhere.
Guess I should have seeked out a course or person who knew what was
missing in my knowledge. But I was working shift work and the plant
work did not make the top ten of things to do. A regret.
A minor one.

Bill

Bill

I looked up "air layering propagation", interesting method. I was unable
to find any information on "root layering propagation" from google. Does
this book "Plants-A-Plenty" have information on "Root Layering"?

Still, have you tried those expensive cloning machines?

Enjoy Life... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.

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,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

For winter reading I just got this book. A very interesting book! So Far!
"Creative Propagation 2ed by Peter Thompson" ISBN-10: 0881926817
This book is has my brown thumb getting a little sore. This book is
packed with information and is going to take me a while to absorb.

Expanding my garden horizon here. Learning to make new plants from
cuttings. I want lots of shrubs - cheap, time is not important. This
book has my brain cooking (bad). It talks about these Plant Cloning
Machines. I am hard pressed to find any negative information about these
machines. Other machines are in the hundreds of dollars. I could buy
five "Daisy 8" machines over the "Power Cloner 45" or the "EZ Clone
Machine - 30". Are they worth getting?

I was looking at getting a cheap one to start off with, the
"Daisy Cloner 8" it was the cheapest that I could find.
http://www.amazon.com/Atlantis-Hydro...p/B001JL0BLM/r
ef=pd_sbs_k_2

Are these machines worth it?
Will I regret the cheap "Daisy Cloner 8" to start of with?
Is it better to just put cuttings into some cloning gel?

I know I can't use apple fruit seeds reliably and I do not want some
grafted tree onto cheap or shorten root stock. Can I make a full size
fruit tree or a rose bush from a cutting that matches the parent?

Enjoy Life... Dan

I've tried air layering and gave it up. I created a propagation system
for azaleas and other hard woods and gave it up which used a mister on a
timer. Maybe 15 per 100 took and then still lost more in time. I've
planted 3 node grape and rose and other hard woods over winter and you
guessed it I gave it up.
Still I propagate all sorts of plants. How by placing a brick on low
branches. Root layer is my modus operand exclusively almost. Japanese
maples just from seed I can't graft either. Can divide and do just
about anything that likes it like day lilies and similar plants like
hellebores or hosta. Been doing this for awhile. They make good gifts.
Still I will try air layering of tree peonies yet again. Challenge
and fun. Good book to look at " Plants-A-Plenty". Many stars and about
whereas my Technical garden books are somewhere.
Guess I should have seeked out a course or person who knew what was
missing in my knowledge. But I was working shift work and the plant
work did not make the top ten of things to do. A regret.
A minor one.

Bill

Bill

I looked up "air layering propagation", interesting method. I was unable
to find any information on "root layering propagation" from google. Does
this book "Plants-A-Plenty" have information on "Root Layering"?

Still, have you tried those expensive cloning machines?

Enjoy Life... Dan

Have not tried a cloning machine.

Root layer nothing but taking a brick and securing a low branch to the
ground. Come back in two years and cut it off of plant but let the
rooted cutting rest another year them move. Some folks damage the part
with the weight on I don't.
Plants-A-Plenty on p 47 has info. May be at your library.

Bill

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

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Janet Baraclough wrote:

The message
from "Dan L." contains these words:

For winter reading I just got this book. A very interesting book! So Far!
"Creative Propagation 2ed by Peter Thompson" ISBN-10: 0881926817
This book is has my brown thumb getting a little sore. This book is
packed with information and is going to take me a while to absorb.

Expanding my garden horizon here. Learning to make new plants from
cuttings. I want lots of shrubs - cheap, time is not important. This
book has my brain cooking (bad). It talks about these Plant Cloning
Machines. I am hard pressed to find any negative information about these
machines. Other machines are in the hundreds of dollars. I could buy
five "Daisy 8" machines over the "Power Cloner 45" or the "EZ Clone
Machine - 30". Are they worth getting?

I wouldn't bother. Many garden shrubs will root perfectly well if you
pull off a twig and stick it in the ground.

Slightly more demanding ones, will root perfectly well if you pull off
a twig and stick it in a small pot of compost.
A book will show you which bit of twig and tell you when. Do a dozen
cuttings of the same thing and probably at least one will grow. Or all
12.
It's so EASY, gardeners invariably end up with far more plants than
they can use and give them away or swap them.

Janet

See I am not home all the time.
Do these cuttings need misting several times per day?
Will a heated frame with sand work just as well or is it over the top?

I plan on making a heated propagating frame filled with sand and put a
cheap misting system in it. The book "Creative Propagation" and my
latest issue of "Hobby Farms" magazine shows how build one. Book says a
propagating machine is nice to have. But I do not want to waste what
little money I have.

I highly disagree on one thing you stated
gardeners invariably end up with far more plants than they can use

I have 12 acres to play with. I want hundreds of shrubs and many more in
plants. I want to build several garden rooms over time. Large shrubs can
do that. I want to create rooms for the bee apiaries, hen house,
vegetable and cutting flower garden. Like many people today, I find my
funds are getting smaller and smaller. If I bought the plants I would be
spending thousands. I want to spend only few hundred. The heated frame
alone will cost about one hundred, give or take. Wire fences are ugly.
For now I can only dream of that really nice green house

So far two posters say no machine is needed.
So far no one in rec.gardens has a propagation machine.
Do I want to be the first?

Enjoy Life... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.

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Janet Baraclough wrote:

[snip]
shrug I've only been gardening 40 years, there's an awful lot I
still don't know.
We all learn by experience.
True, we all learn by experience. I must thank Janet and Bill for your
responses. You both have convinced me to get a propagation machine.

I will also try the suggestions on alternative ways to propagate plants.
The scientific mind now wants to compare methods and the cost. Does the
machines improve the propagation rate. Will I get X amount of shrubs per
100 cuttings of different methods per cost per plant. I want to know

BDDTGTTS. Your limitation won't be producing enough homegrown plants,
or the cost of them.
It will be, finding the time and energy to maintain 12 acres of
growing shrubs, trees, and a veg garden.
I hope I can retire in three years. I am trying my best to build myself
a gilded cage. Just me, the dog and the land

Buy seed, and stock plants to propagate more of from cuttings. Buy
small, from commercial amenity and forestry growers
( a tiny fraction of the prices charged by garden centres and garden
plant nurseries)
That is very very very good advice. I was looking at garden centers.
A simple statement I have not thought of. Most helpful.

Wire fences are ugly, cheap (if you learn how to DIY) , essential
for animal control, and easily hidden by planting.
Yep, that is why I want the shrubs, to hide the fences.

The best advice I ever got on how to make a big garden from scratch,
was to invest in fencing to exclude rabbits and hares
The hawks take care of the pesky rabbits. Deer & foxes is another story.
I am surprised that the chickens can shake off a hawk. Foxes No.

For growing hardy shrubs from cuttings, a greenhouse is less use
than you may think because it gets too hot in the season you'll be
taking cuttings.
That is true also. Its use would only be for a month in the fall and a
month in the spring. Still I would not mind halving one. I use grow
lights for my seed starting indoors. But towards planting time I have
plants in all my windows to the point where I can't see outside. That is
why I want the heated frame.

. Cuttings often require cool shade while it has leaves but no roots
yet.. Far better, done in line trenches outdoors, like professional
growers do.
Part of my continuing lifelong education

Greenhouses are more useful for tender plants like tomatoes and
geraniums that won't survive winter unprotected.
I could not afford the propane cost during the winter. Just early spring.
I still have a foot of snow on my front lawn.

Enjoy Life... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.

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Janet Baraclough wrote:
from "Dan L." contains these words:

For winter reading I just got this book. A very interesting book! So
Far!
"Creative Propagation 2ed by Peter Thompson" ISBN-10: 0881926817
This book is has my brown thumb getting a little sore. This book is
packed with information and is going to take me a while to absorb.

Expanding my garden horizon here. Learning to make new plants from
cuttings. I want lots of shrubs - cheap, time is not important. This
book has my brain cooking (bad). It talks about these Plant Cloning
Machines. I am hard pressed to find any negative information about
these
machines. Other machines are in the hundreds of dollars. I could buy
five "Daisy 8" machines over the "Power Cloner 45" or the "EZ Clone
Machine - 30". Are they worth getting?

I wouldn't bother. Many garden shrubs will root perfectly well if you
pull off a twig and stick it in the ground.

Slightly more demanding ones, will root perfectly well if you pull off
a twig and stick it in a small pot of compost.
A book will show you which bit of twig and tell you when. Do a dozen
cuttings of the same thing and probably at least one will grow. Or all
12.
It's so EASY, gardeners invariably end up with far more plants than
they can use and give them away or swap them.

Janet

See I am not home all the time.

We all lead busy lives and it'd be a very rare person (even a very
interested gardener) who is at home all the time. I agree with Janet - one
of these things is not necessary.

Do these cuttings need misting several times per day?
Will a heated frame with sand work just as well or is it over the top?

Depending on local conditions, a heated frame might help but I've never used
one. What I think is far more important is the right conditions for your
cuttings to take. By that I mean a sheltered area in the garden where they
won't freeze of bake. You can keep the moisture up to cuttings by putting a
cut down PET bottle over them or a plastic bag over the whole pot with 20 or
more cuttings in it.

These things are babies and if you can't raise babies the old fashioned way
then a state of the art pricey one won't be any better than the old
fashioned and cheap way and it sounds like you havent' raised cuttings yet
by any method so try the old way first - it may save you tiem and money in
the long run.

I have 12 acres to play with.

:-(( You have my sympathies as that is too big to have for a garden and too
small to run animals.

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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

These things are babies and if you can't raise babies the old fashioned way
then a state of the art pricey one won't be any better than the old
fashioned and cheap way and it sounds like you havent' raised cuttings yet
by any method so try the old way first - it may save you tiem and money in
the long run.
Correct, I have not tried propagation by cuttings yet. Expanding my
horizons here. That is why I asked first if anyone has used these
propagation cloning machines. The book I purchased seems to be a good
one for my first propagation book. I am the experimenter type and I am
in no hurry

I have 12 acres to play with.

:-(( You have my sympathies as that is too big to have for a garden and too
small to run animals.
If, A big IF, I can scape up the cash, I would like to build a small
barn and get two goats. I think they would have plenty of room. I just
want a little hobby farm, nothing commercial. Hmmm... 4 acres are woods,
2 acres for my 1,500 sq ft home and yard, 6 acres left for my chickens,
apiaries, vegetable, flower garden and maybe two goats. Chickens are not
fenced in, the vegetable garden is. Right now without the goats, I have
plenty of room for me, my chickens and my little yorkie can run his
little heart out!

Also it seems from past posters the success rate from cuttings seems to
be very low, less than ten percent. I get about eighty percent success
rate from seed starting. I do not know what the success rate might be
from using a cloning machine.

So far no one here has a propagation cloning machine. Interesting.

Enjoy Life... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.