I have read all the posts that snakes have as much right to be here as
us and that they are helpful in keeping down the rodent population and
I suppose that's true. I have read about leaving snakes alone and
they will avoid humans.
Now, THAT, I am finding not to be true. I have been out in the middle
of our yard twice only to look up and find a copperhead coming to keep
me company. Mind you, this is not in the wooded areas, but in the
neatly trimmed and no shrubbery part of the yard. I was just spading
and turning over some soil. No machinery running, no water running
and no rodents at my feet for bait. My apologies to the
herpetologists, but I felt assassination of the offender was the best
route to take.
Why is this happening? What would make a snake want to hang out with
the shovel-wielding gardener? What can I do to keep it from happening
again? Has anyone on the list ever ascertained that sulfur and
mothballs really work in keeping them away? If so, what is the recipe
for the mix?
On the rodent thing, we have a large hawk and cat population here so
that I would think the rodent population is being maintained rather
well. The hawks are so effective that I have never seen a rabbit here
in 12 years. The hawks were driving me crazy, but I have come to enjoy
their company as long as they aren't swooping at me during nesting
season. The snake and I will never reach such an understanding, so
suggestions are very welcome.

On 4 May 2003 18:16:31 -0700, (mypet) wrote:

I have read all the posts that snakes have as much right to be here as
us and that they are helpful in keeping down the rodent population and
I suppose that's true. I have read about leaving snakes alone and
they will avoid humans.
Now, THAT, I am finding not to be true. I have been out in the middle
of our yard twice only to look up and find a copperhead coming to keep
me company. Mind you, this is not in the wooded areas, but in the
neatly trimmed and no shrubbery part of the yard. I was just spading
and turning over some soil. No machinery running, no water running
and no rodents at my feet for bait. My apologies to the
herpetologists, but I felt assassination of the offender was the best
route to take.
Why is this happening? What would make a snake want to hang out with
the shovel-wielding gardener? What can I do to keep it from happening
again? Has anyone on the list ever ascertained that sulfur and
mothballs really work in keeping them away? If so, what is the recipe
for the mix?
On the rodent thing, we have a large hawk and cat population here so
that I would think the rodent population is being maintained rather
well. The hawks are so effective that I have never seen a rabbit here
in 12 years. The hawks were driving me crazy, but I have come to enjoy
their company as long as they aren't swooping at me during nesting
season. The snake and I will never reach such an understanding, so
suggestions are very welcome.

Copperheads are common in my lawn, and I live in the middle of the
city. There are also rat snakes, much larger than copperheads, which
eat them. I've seen a rat snake under my deck, well over 6 feet
long. Copperheads can kill a dog or child, but it can certainly make
an adult sick. The venom is not particularly potent. Just make sure
you look before you step, and don't put your hand into or under
anything where you havn't looked first.

jammer j@mmer wrote in message . ..
On 4 May 2003 18:16:31 -0700, (mypet) wrote:

Why is this happening?

It might be mating season and they see your garden as thier nesting
ground. Wear boots, always. I spent many days in the country in 100+
degrees, wearing short shorts, a halter top, and boots!

Most everyone gets bit when they step on a copperhead in leaf litter
where they are damn near invisible.
I can't recall anyone getting killed by one.
Boots are a good idea.

What kind of gardening boots have you found to be the most comfy? It
looks like I will be needing some. So, the sulfur thing really
doesn't do anything?





It might be mating season and they see your garden as thier nesting
ground. Wear boots, always. I spent many days in the country in 100+
degrees, wearing short shorts, a halter top, and boots!

(mypet) wrote in message . com...
What kind of gardening boots have you found to be the most comfy?

I can't do green wellies I just aint Biff and Muffin enough for that style.

Go to a boat shop "Boaters World" etc and get some shrimpers boots.
Might be near 12$ a pair heavy rubbber.

Comfy? LOL......just plain ol' cowboy boots. Durable and serves a
purpose but forget comfy.



On 5 May 2003 06:43:46 -0700, (mypet) wrote:

What kind of gardening boots have you found to be the most comfy? It
looks like I will be needing some. So, the sulfur thing really
doesn't do anything?





It might be mating season and they see your garden as thier nesting
ground. Wear boots, always. I spent many days in the country in 100+
degrees, wearing short shorts, a halter top, and boots!

Living in Australia where I think we have 7 out of the 10 deadliest snakes I
find it's always handy to have a long shovel nearby just in case. I don't
see as many as I used to now that we have dogs, but we are near a river and
we often find that snakes just pass through on their way to the water. The
Eastern Brown snake is common where I live - very dangerous and quite
deadly - there was a news article a while ago about a little boy being
bitten on the heel by one, and the only thing that saved him was the fact
that he had never worn shoes and his feet were as hard as a rock!

Denise

"mypet" wrote in message
om...
I have read all the posts that snakes have as much right to be here as
us and that they are helpful in keeping down the rodent population and
I suppose that's true. I have read about leaving snakes alone and
they will avoid humans.
Now, THAT, I am finding not to be true. I have been out in the middle
of our yard twice only to look up and find a copperhead coming to keep
me company. Mind you, this is not in the wooded areas, but in the
neatly trimmed and no shrubbery part of the yard. I was just spading
and turning over some soil. No machinery running, no water running
and no rodents at my feet for bait. My apologies to the
herpetologists, but I felt assassination of the offender was the best
route to take.
Why is this happening? What would make a snake want to hang out with
the shovel-wielding gardener? What can I do to keep it from happening
again? Has anyone on the list ever ascertained that sulfur and
mothballs really work in keeping them away? If so, what is the recipe
for the mix?
On the rodent thing, we have a large hawk and cat population here so
that I would think the rodent population is being maintained rather
well. The hawks are so effective that I have never seen a rabbit here
in 12 years. The hawks were driving me crazy, but I have come to enjoy
their company as long as they aren't swooping at me during nesting
season. The snake and I will never reach such an understanding, so
suggestions are very welcome.

I have been looking for some rubber boots and I have a question. How
tall should the shaft of the boot be? Another question: what is the
procedure to follow to treat a snakebite while transporting the victim
to the hospital? When I was young the thing to do was cut it and suck
the venom and I think that I have read that you should not do that.

Apply ice, keep the limb elevated and have someone call ahead to make
sure the anti venom is there on on it's way.


susan

mypet wrote:

I have been looking for some rubber boots and I have a question. How
tall should the shaft of the boot be? Another question: what is the
procedure to follow to treat a snakebite while transporting the victim
to the hospital? When I was young the thing to do was cut it and suck
the venom and I think that I have read that you should not do that.

mypet said:

I have been looking for some rubber boots and I have a question. How
tall should the shaft of the boot be? Another question: what is the
procedure to follow to treat a snakebite while transporting the victim
to the hospital? When I was young the thing to do was cut it and suck
the venom and I think that I have read that you should not do that.

According to Steve Irwin (the Crocodile Hunter) who I think would have
a good reason to be up on the appropriate first aid routine:

Have the victim lie down, remain calm and quiet

Wrap the effected limb with elastic bandage, or strips of clothing

Imobilize the limb with a splint.

Get them to a medical center for treatment with antivenom ASAP (for
many of us, that would mean calling emergency, 911)

Of course, most of the biters in Australia will have cobra-type venom (more
nervous-system effects) rather than viper-type (which has a lot of localized
tissue-destroying effect). In America, that would be the other way around;
we only have one poisonous snake that isn't a viper, the coral snake. What's
most appropriate in Australia might need to be altered for the USA.

(no torniquet, no cutting, no sucking, no whiskey -- the old-time advice is trash)

Having watched another show about emergency room treatment of
assorted snake-bite victims, the most important thing to do with
snake-bite victims is to get them to an appropriately equipped
emergency room as quickly as possible.

(I watch a lot of Animal Planet, obviously!)
--
Pat in Plymouth MI

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

specifically, after reading on the internet about Tennessee snakes of which
the copperhead is one after the encounter I had at Lowes last year with the
snake I removed for them.............copperheads are the ONLY snakes that
are CURIOUS. It's their nature. DOn't know why, but that's what the site
said about them............hate you had to off him/her, but don't blame you
because of his poisonious nature. And he/she was also responsible for
removal of rodents and such. The only threat to a copperhead is a black
snake. Learned that on the website too....................I tend to like all
my critters around here, but a rattler or copperhead is something I wouldn't
want because I have the occaisonal visitation of grandchildren...........but
I have a resident black snake now so hopefully my small woods are cleared of
the copper beauties now.
madgardener
"mypet" wrote in message
om...
I have read all the posts that snakes have as much right to be here as
us and that they are helpful in keeping down the rodent population and
I suppose that's true. I have read about leaving snakes alone and
they will avoid humans.
Now, THAT, I am finding not to be true. I have been out in the middle
of our yard twice only to look up and find a copperhead coming to keep
me company. Mind you, this is not in the wooded areas, but in the
neatly trimmed and no shrubbery part of the yard. I was just spading
and turning over some soil. No machinery running, no water running
and no rodents at my feet for bait. My apologies to the
herpetologists, but I felt assassination of the offender was the best
route to take.
Why is this happening? What would make a snake want to hang out with
the shovel-wielding gardener? What can I do to keep it from happening
again? Has anyone on the list ever ascertained that sulfur and
mothballs really work in keeping them away? If so, what is the recipe
for the mix?
On the rodent thing, we have a large hawk and cat population here so
that I would think the rodent population is being maintained rather
well. The hawks are so effective that I have never seen a rabbit here
in 12 years. The hawks were driving me crazy, but I have come to enjoy
their company as long as they aren't swooping at me during nesting
season. The snake and I will never reach such an understanding, so
suggestions are very welcome.