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Roundup Unready
billo said: " I gather then, that when you posted in reply to that
challenge, you were actually *not* posting in reply to that challenge, but merely posting non-responsive things that had nothing to do with the claim that Roundup is or is not dangerous to humans when used as directed." H. Kuska reply: again your logic?????? I have posted a number of literature references that have to do with side effects due to the utilization of Round-up. The first abstract that I posted was on August 27 in the subthread started by: "Message 20 in thread From: Stephen Sassman ) Subject: Roundup Unready View this article only Newsgroups: rec.gardens Date: 2003-08-27 11:00:16 PST I should not, and I did not. Perhaps you are confusing my post with something that someone else has posted. My point was that just because this chemical does not cause this specific kind of cancer does not mean that it doesn't cause other cancers or have some detrimental affect on the endocrine system. It is wrong to say that a chemical is safe or not safe unless you take many factors into account (acute toxicity, chronic toxicity, carcinogenicity, environmental fate, endocrine disruption, etc.). Even if thorough research has been conducted, there is the chance that some unexpected problem will rear its ugly head 20 or 30 years down the road (remember DDT)."----------------------------------------------I posted an abstract which was titled "Title: An Exploratory Analysis of the Effect of Pesticide Exposure on the Risk of Spontaneous Abortion in an Ontario Farm Population" (published in 2001).A key section was: "For late abortions, preconception exposure to glyphosate (OR = 1.7; 95% CI, 1.0-2.9), thiocarbamates (OR = 1.8; 95% CI, 1.1-3.0), and the miscellaneous class of pesticides (OR = 1.5; 95% CI, 1.0-2.4) was associated with elevated risks."You "commented" (I did not consider a rebuttal) on this abstract on August 31. On September 1 I posted an abstract titled "Title: Birth defects, season of conception, and sex of children born to pesticide applicators living in the Red River Valley of Minnesota, USA." )published in 2002).A key sentence in this abstract is: "Use of the herbicide glyphosate yielded an OR of 3.6 (CI, 1.3-9.6) in the neurobehavioral category." Now please show me your logic diagram that excludes effects during pregnancy from the universe that you include in the logic circle of "not dangerous to humans when used as directed." Concerning the "as directed" I have included the label information for one product http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/us_..._atz/label.pdf , you may want to start by using the PDF search function for the base word preg to see if it tells pregnant workers not to use the material. I did not look at all the labels, if you are interested go to: http://www.cdms.net/manuf/mprod.asp?mp=23&lc=0 You can also look at the MSDS: http://www.cdms.net/ldat/mp23P011.pdf Apparently you do not think it is important to know that there is an "elevated risk". That is your choice, if your wife agrees with you; she can continue to apply Round-up when she is pregnant. Others may ellect to apply the Precautionary Principle. Henry Kuska |
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