they make a sencer sprinkler system now for that,i heard they work great




"Chris Owens" wrote in message
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Kim wrote:

We are thinking about trying a motion sensor loudspeaker, that when
tripped, booms a gunshot sound or howling wolves!

Kim, be careful with this, your neighbors might not be all that
enchanted.

Chris Owens




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(DavesVideo) wrote:

any ideas for
discouraging the deer from enjoying my garden other than a 6 foot
electric fence.

I'm a big fan of the electric fence, but a bit lower than 3 foot seems to
work
best. A single strand of wire at nose height works very well. I don't think
they can see that single thin wire, but they very quickly seem to learn that
grazing in your garden is a most shocking experience. Works for me. If you
made
it 6 foot high and very obvious, they might try to jump over it.

Here in Pennsylvania, an electric fence will work in area new to deer.
However if you put an electric fence around an area the deer are
accustomed to using, they will either nock it down or jump over it. I
know a number of people who tried electric fences and they all gave up.

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(dstvns) wrote:

The spring before last I planted a cherry tree in an area "frequented"
by my dog on a daily basis. They ate it down to the stem with my dog
barking into their ear 5 feet away at the window.

Deer are no idiots. They know that a dog yapping in a window is not a
threat. They learn to differentiate valid threats from invalid threats.
Unfortunately, that doggie in the window is not a valid threat.

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In article , Kevin Miller
wrote:

I've found the Scarecrow has been 100% effective and has lasted 2
years (heard they break alot)... You just have to remember to turn it
on!! What's funny is when I forget, that NIGHT they're back grazing
in the garden. One will cover only about 20x20 or so...

Kevin


"Remembering to turn on the scarecrow," I pictured a robot that
goose-steps around the garden reciting in a robotic voice the poems of
Robert Service.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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In article , Chris Owens
wrote:

wrote:

make sure you got big dogs. I had a deer chasing my Papillon. Ingrid

Ingrid, Borzois are the second-largest breed of dogs in
existence. Elf, who is a VERY large Borzoi, stands 36" at the
shoulder. Pippin is 'only' 32" . . . big isn't a problem. ;

Chris Owens

Borzois have always struck me as kind of low-IQ for the dog world, them &
Afghans -- also of course among the prettiest. Are your Borzois obedient?
And if you regard yours as intelligent, does any member of the extended
family agree?

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

Chris Owens wrote in message ...
Kim wrote:

We are thinking about trying a motion sensor loudspeaker, that when
tripped, booms a gunshot sound or howling wolves!



Wolf -scent- would be much more effective; puts the primal fear of death in them.


Back when people still trapped wolves, it was possible to buy wolf scent;
I don't know if it available anymore.

J. Del Col

Chris Owens wrote in message ...
Kim wrote:

We are thinking about trying a motion sensor loudspeaker, that when
tripped, booms a gunshot sound or howling wolves!


I just found a source of wolf scent murrayslures.com Nine dollars gets
you a pint of wolf urine. If anything is going to rattle Bambi, wolf urine
ought to do it.


J. Del Col

"Stephen M. Henning" wrote in message
news
(DavesVideo) wrote:

any ideas for
discouraging the deer from enjoying my garden other than a 6 foot
electric fence.

I'm a big fan of the electric fence, but a bit lower than 3 foot seems
to
work
best. A single strand of wire at nose height works very well. I don't
think
they can see that single thin wire, but they very quickly seem to learn
that
grazing in your garden is a most shocking experience. Works for me. If
you
made
it 6 foot high and very obvious, they might try to jump over it.

Here in Pennsylvania, an electric fence will work in area new to deer.
However if you put an electric fence around an area the deer are
accustomed to using, they will either nock it down or jump over it. I
know a number of people who tried electric fences and they all gave up.
Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

I can't agree with you on the assessment, Steve. I'm going on the second
year with a fine, two strand aluminum wire electric fence around my yard
(top wire 3 1/2', bottom 1 1/2') and have nothing but praises for the
results. For the first 3-4 month I had to make a weekly tour around my yard
to check and mend occasional breaks. I've only had to do that monthly this
past summer, and often the breaks were caused by a neighbor's dog chasing
the deer when they invaded her territory. I had to contend with an invasion
of deer this past spring when the lilies and tulips were blooming. They
found that I didn't have an electric wire across the front. I remedied that
with a single strand across their access area and took care of the problem.

Deer don't expend more energy than necessary. They won't jump over a fence
when they can crawl through. If they can't see or sense a fence and get
unexpectedly shocked, they learn to avoid the shock area. Those who tried
the electric fence weren't persistent enough. A low electric fence really
works... :-)

John

In article , "B & J"
wrote:

"Stephen M. Henning" wrote in message
news
(DavesVideo) wrote:

any ideas for
discouraging the deer from enjoying my garden other than a 6 foot
electric fence.

I'm a big fan of the electric fence, but a bit lower than 3 foot seems
to
work
best. A single strand of wire at nose height works very well. I don't
think
they can see that single thin wire, but they very quickly seem to learn
that
grazing in your garden is a most shocking experience. Works for me. If
you
made
it 6 foot high and very obvious, they might try to jump over it.

Here in Pennsylvania, an electric fence will work in area new to deer.
However if you put an electric fence around an area the deer are
accustomed to using, they will either nock it down or jump over it. I
know a number of people who tried electric fences and they all gave up.
Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

I can't agree with you on the assessment, Steve. I'm going on the second
year with a fine, two strand aluminum wire electric fence around my yard
(top wire 3 1/2', bottom 1 1/2') and have nothing but praises for the
results. For the first 3-4 month I had to make a weekly tour around my yard
to check and mend occasional breaks. I've only had to do that monthly this
past summer, and often the breaks were caused by a neighbor's dog chasing
the deer when they invaded her territory. I had to contend with an invasion
of deer this past spring when the lilies and tulips were blooming. They
found that I didn't have an electric wire across the front. I remedied that
with a single strand across their access area and took care of the problem.

Deer don't expend more energy than necessary. They won't jump over a fence
when they can crawl through. If they can't see or sense a fence and get
unexpectedly shocked, they learn to avoid the shock area. Those who tried
the electric fence weren't persistent enough. A low electric fence really
works... :-)

John

I think you can both be right. Deer are clever & will take out your fence
if that's where the choice food items are & they can't be found elsewhere,
& really can jump amazingly high if the reward for doing so is sufficient.
But they'll also follow the path of least resistance if there's plenty to
eat everywhere.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

paghat wrote:

Ingrid, Borzois are the second-largest breed of dogs in
existence. Elf, who is a VERY large Borzoi, stands 36" at the
shoulder. Pippin is 'only' 32" . . . big isn't a problem. ;

Chris Owens

Borzois have always struck me as kind of low-IQ for the dog world, them &
Afghans -- also of course among the prettiest. Are your Borzois obedient?
And if you regard yours as intelligent, does any member of the extended
family agree?

-paghat the ratgirl

Pippin is very intelligent. She learns most things on one
trial. Elf, unfortunately, was abused as a puppy and has a
neurological problem. He's very loveable, but mentally swift
would NEVER describe him. Other Borzois I known / owned were
also typically quite bright; they look like incredible goofs
because of the 'Borzoi grin' . . . their jaw shape makes them
look like they're always smiling. The 'smart' is a sighthound
[which includes Afghans and Whippets] trait; these are dogs that
were bred to find and run down game. They typically hunted with
people on horses. And, for some reason we don't know, were also
allowed into the family tents -- all sighthounds are descended
from desert-bred salukis and greyhounds -- so, they had to be
able to distinguish clearly between 'prey' and 'horse' and
'kid'. They are enormously gentle and trustworthy with children;
I've seen a barely-able-to-walk toddler drag Pippin around by the
ear, with nary a complaint. And, my youngest nephew used to use
the Whippets' ears as pacifiers, to their mutual delight.

Of course, there are some downsides to the breeds: They HAVE to
be able to run; if you don't have somewhere that they can belt
flat-out, they aren't going to be happy. They do better in
packs; they come to people for affection, but want to play with
each other, so it's better to own more than one. They are
STUBBORN. They are sneak-thieves. And, they're very expensive .
.. . the vet and food bills are HUGE.

And, yes, the extended family also views them as bright.

Chris Owens




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