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North wrote:
If they don't get killed from the blasts, they will die soon after from the radiation, and disease All it takes is a believable threat of nuclear war to drive people out of the cities, like just one city getting nuked. They'd be hitting the stores and then break into homes before they'd resort to eating bugs and strange plants. Same goes for plants, they will all die and the land will turn into a bearon waste land with nothing but death everywhere. Radioactive fallout doesn't kill plants, it poisons them. |
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In article ,
Gunner wrote: Sorry Bubba, but like firearms, nuclear weapons and oral sex, the genie is out of the bottle. Even after a Collapse..the Net will be one of the first things to become reimplimented. In one fashion or another. If you only had a clue as to what you were talking about you would be classed a bit higher than "Moroon". In an American Collapse Senerio, the Internet would far down the list of things rebuilt. First, Power would need to be available coutry wide and in mostly the "Big Cities" for the Routers that make the Internet work ti operate. Second, more than 75% of the links are FiberOptic these days and the MUltiplexers and Switches would also have to have power, which isn't going to be around country wide after a collapse. same with the cable-Tv and DSL/Phone systems. Just who is going to run the Dams & Nuke Plants to provide all this power nation wide? another bainless thought. me |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:50:14 GMT, Me wrote:
In article , Gunner wrote: Sorry Bubba, but like firearms, nuclear weapons and oral sex, the genie is out of the bottle. Even after a Collapse..the Net will be one of the first things to become reimplimented. In one fashion or another. If you only had a clue as to what you were talking about you would be classed a bit higher than "Moroon". In an American Collapse Senerio, the Internet would far down the list of things rebuilt. First, Power would need to be available coutry wide and in mostly the "Big Cities" for the Routers that make the Internet work ti operate. Second, more than 75% of the links are FiberOptic these days and the MUltiplexers and Switches would also have to have power, which isn't going to be around country wide after a collapse. same with the cable-Tv and DSL/Phone systems. Just who is going to run the Dams & Nuke Plants to provide all this power nation wide? another bainless thought. me Are you aware of the origins of the internet? Does DarpaNet ring any bells? Im curious as to what sort of catastophe would level every bit of infrastructure in the US. Big rock from outer space perhaps? Just wondering if you have any idea how much the US depends on the net, for economic, financial, security and military useage. Gunner " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:50:14 GMT, Me wrote:
In article , Gunner wrote: Sorry Bubba, but like firearms, nuclear weapons and oral sex, the genie is out of the bottle. Even after a Collapse..the Net will be one of the first things to become reimplimented. In one fashion or another. If you only had a clue as to what you were talking about you would be classed a bit higher than "Moroon". In an American Collapse Senerio, the Internet would far down the list of things rebuilt. First, Power would need to be available coutry wide and in mostly the "Big Cities" for the Routers that make the Internet work ti operate. Second, more than 75% of the links are FiberOptic these days and the MUltiplexers and Switches would also have to have power, which isn't going to be around country wide after a collapse. same with the cable-Tv and DSL/Phone systems. Just who is going to run the Dams & Nuke Plants to provide all this power nation wide? another bainless thought. me Like a lot of the folks on this group, he just can't really believe that the only way of life he's ever known can cease to be. Almost everyone here is preparing for a temporary breakdown and will be purely stray, and armed and desperate, when they learn otherwise. And they aren't taking into account groups like mine, which intend to make double-damned-sure this civilization stays dead. Not that there is anything wrong with technology per se, but the main thrust behind technology is the need to sell more and more stuff, not any real benefit to the world, and often quite the contrary. The other mis-guided (and mis-guiding) faction here are the ones that think they are going to live like the pioneers. Wrong. There are far more people and way fewer unspoiled lands than there were then. I call these factions the Campers, and the Davey Crocketts. The people who survive will be gardeners/gatherers and handcrafters. They will know their plants and how to turn them into clothing and heat and light and food and paper and medicine and shelter and chemicals. AC |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:50:14 GMT, Me wrote:
In article , Gunner wrote: Sorry Bubba, but like firearms, nuclear weapons and oral sex, the genie is out of the bottle. Even after a Collapse..the Net will be one of the first things to become reimplimented. In one fashion or another. If you only had a clue as to what you were talking about you would be classed a bit higher than "Moroon". In an American Collapse Senerio, the Internet would far down the list of things rebuilt. First, Power would need to be available coutry wide and in mostly the "Big Cities" for the Routers that make the Internet work ti operate. Second, more than 75% of the links are FiberOptic these days and the MUltiplexers and Switches would also have to have power, which isn't going to be around country wide after a collapse. same with the cable-Tv and DSL/Phone systems. Just who is going to run the Dams & Nuke Plants to provide all this power nation wide? another bainless thought. me Like a lot of the folks on this group, he just can't really believe that the only way of life he's ever known can cease to be. Almost everyone here is preparing for a temporary breakdown and will be purely stray, and armed and desperate, when they learn otherwise. And they aren't taking into account groups like mine, which intend to make double-damned-sure this civilization stays dead. Not that there is anything wrong with technology per se, but the main thrust behind technology is the need to sell more and more stuff, not any real benefit to the world, and often quite the contrary. The other mis-guided (and mis-guiding) faction here are the ones that think they are going to live like the pioneers. Wrong. There are far more people and way fewer unspoiled lands than there were then. I call these factions the Campers, and the Davey Crocketts. The people who survive will be gardeners/gatherers and handcrafters. They will know their plants and how to turn them into clothing and heat and light and food and paper and medicine and shelter and chemicals. AC |
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groups like mine, Does your group have a leader? -- PeteCresswell |
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groups like mine, Does your group have a leader? -- PeteCresswell |
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See the other post, Okay? What other post? |
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Once the Grid, the Industrial Infrastructure, which is a house of cards at best, collapses, that's it. If you aren't prepared to live without it, you won't last long. AC Why don't you get started now and sit there in your lean-to up on the mountain, all the while laughing at us poor moron's who just don't get it? |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:03:09 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Wireless, radio, sat, etc etc. Unless its an asteroid strike..the underground cables and much of the infrastructure will remain. Communications is a requirement for survival. Large scale communications is manditory. Be it homing pigeon, or 300 baud packet radio. Unless every techy is killed outright, folks will adapt, improvise and over come. The NET is too important a resource to leave idle. Spare parts are in abundance. Any idea of how much adaptable surplus stuff is languishing in warehouses all over the US? Millions of Tons of the stuff. Mega millions of tons. Electricity is easy to generate, on the grand scale of things. It will be perhaps local, but it will be generated. The survivors will demand it and require it. Will there be an ISP in virtually every enclave? It could well indeed happen., And from a survival stand point is very desireable. Learning, teaching, planning, reading, negotiating, etc etc. If it were some really catastrophic collapse, much of the net as we know it might well go down the dumps for at least a while. Kinda hard to imagine it all taking a dump, however. I could well see, in a major catastrophic collapse where areas might be off the net as we know it. And the net might well get fragmented. However, I'm thinking that assorted workarounds would pop up. I can generate the power for it, for instance, to run radio packet. And have the equipment. And, while more and more major trunks are fiber optic. For less ambitious and more local computer comms, there is still plenty of copper wire strung. It'd not be at all undoable to rig up at least a fairly local network. Say, covering a neighborhood, or small town. Certain plenty of the necessary hardware still around. Perhaps one could radio link one neighborhood or small town to another. Then to the next. And so forth. Shrug It'd have nowhere near the abilities of the modern net. It's be slow. And it'd take time to move any sizeable data from here to there. But, what the heck? I can remember the days when I was thrilled and had a lot of fun transferring text messages, data, info files, pictures and such over old fashioned copper phone lines using a 300 baud modem. And ran my own BBS. Only had 5 lines in, so people had to sort of take turns and keep trying til they could log in after someone else dropped off the line. And I was signed up with a bunch of other BBSs and we used to swap and exchange files. Everything from repeating and passing on the chat of those involved in various discussion groups (sort of like the modern usenet), to emails from one person to another, to program files, to data files with info on almost any subject under the sun, instructional files, hardware how-to's, lots of amatuer radio related data, and of course, the obligatory suitably nude photoes of ladies. Most of the BBSs had some specialty or another. Usually carried a variety, but would have some directories with specialized data of one sort or another. Those who did a lot of BBSs learned which one was the most likely to have the data on firearms, which had more cooking recipes than you ever imagined to exist, which had a bunch of amatuer electronics information files, etc. (Used to be one out of the Whites Sands research center that was pretty good if one liked pictures. One of the female employees down there did not mind in the least having her picture taken, then digitized and spread around.) Chuckle, I have CDs burned with complete sets of old DOS programs, utilities, applications, DOS itself, and terminal and BBS software. And have stashed away 3 old but working computers perfectly capable of running DOS, BBS software, etc. And a box of maybe 8 spare harddrives, another box with 5 or 6 old but working modems, couple old Conner tape drives, NICs, etc. And know others who still have a pile of old but working stuff hanging around. (I also have CDs burned with copies of Win 3.11, W95, W98, and a large assortment of software to run under those systems. Including network server software.) For that matter, now that I'm thinking of it. I have the stuff and could easy lay my hands up a large pile of it as it's still made and used, to run an RS485 network link up to 4000 ft at a shot without a repeater. Driven by a device that uses precious little power (Max of 24 watts, 12 VDC supply). Limited to 19200 baud tho. Can technically go faster, but gets glitchy at those distances if yah drive it faster. Common device and system for communicating between machinery digital controllers, fetching info from remote sensors, etc. Possibilities are just about endless. I was just naming off stuff I can lay hands on directly in my own home. Sizeable number of folks with the right skills among them, you could do a heck of a lot. There would be a lot of hardware around. Yah just need to locate and collect the technicians and engineers that actually know how stuff works, instead of the button pushers. There would be a demand and want. If for no other reason that friends and relative wanting to contact each other and send messages. Add scenarios such as folks a location A wanting to know info they don't have, but somebody at point B does know the info. One would like a way to get it from here to there. Even if paper were short, or no ink for a printer (til someone figured out a way to refill cartridge). Yah could scan in a picture at one end and send to to someone. Who could look at it on a screen, read and memorize; or scratch a rough copy and notes on whatever was available for reference. There is a very good reason that years ago, long before desk top computers, fax machines were found to be very handy items. Sometimes a picture, even a bad one, can be worth it's weight in gold. Especially if you're trying to figure something out, or fix something, and the person who has the info you need is a long way away. Just some thoughts. Bob |
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On 19 Jan 2004 03:25:52 GMT, (Frank White)
wrote: In article et, says... On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:02:33 GMT, Gunner wrote: snip Now. Let's take a group like mine, who can do everything that the Deer can do to protect themselves and also throw in stuff like this: 1. Never present themselves as a target from any vantage 2. Erase their tracks and sign 3. Track the hunters and send warnings to their friends 4. Lay false trails (visually, with smells, and with sounds) 5. Destroy the hunter's camp while they are away 6. Set off all sorts of things to make the hunter's task miserable a. Smoke screens b. Stink bombs c. Drugs in acetone (from hardwoods) that will be absorbed through the skin and cause temporary sickness/disability d. Noisemakers that will deafen or just startle and send the hunters to their bellies e. Harmless missiles raining from the sky f. Etc. These can all be done from string-triggered and monitored booby-traps or launched mortar style from out of sight, or timed 7. Taint or poison (non-lethal) the hunter's water and food and bedding and spare clothing (left in camp) without leaving a sign 8. Go to ground in any of numerous, pre-prepared hidey holes with food, water sanitation, for days if necessary. Little holes 9. Are LIKE you and can predict most of your moves. That knows technology and what it can do. Can hide their nests much better than Deer can because they know what you are looking for. 10. Don't let them relax or sleep 11. Etc. None of the above ever put the "deer" in sight of the hunter. Heehee. Just for starters, eh? snip All of this, yet.... again, and when the countymounties came out to talk to us, we had no idea what happened... The cops were able to walk right up to them and find them with no trouble what so ever. The cops never questioned their living on federal land? Never asked to look around? Sure... I believe it...Not. kb9wfk |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:34:57 -0500, "Cricket" wrote:
(snip) Oh, how embarassing - we actually own a laser sighted Lorcin...hey, it was a joke (cheapo laser sight, wouldn't mount properly, had to be cobbled on - it just seemed right somehow...). On the plus side, I don't eat Twinkies... No problem. According to the Survival Expert Extraordinaire, GUNkid, all you need to survive is peanut butter and tang. Of course, in his survival "plan", that's only for the first week. He plans to become a "lone wolf, will-o-the-wisp, predator" within a week after TSHTF, heading out to the country and beginning his predation on survivors. Yep, he's a loonie with delusions of adequacy too. ;) (snip) |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 03:28:33 GMT, Alan Connor wrote:
(snip) (by-the-way, I think Nope. Wrong. You do NOT think, and therein lies you biggest problem. |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:58:31 GMT, Alan Connor prattled:
And they aren't taking into account groups like mine, which intend to make double-damned-sure this civilization stays dead. Any intentions your incompetent imaginary group would have are irrelevant, since any group which would have you as a member couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag. Not that there is anything wrong with technology per se, but the main thrust behind technology is the need to sell more and more stuff, not any real benefit to the world, and often quite the contrary. Did somebody turn Ted Kazinski loose already? The other mis-guided (and mis-guiding) faction here are the ones that think they are going to live like the pioneers. Not to mention the idiots claiming they're going to join a band of Amazon warriors and frolic with grizzly cubs. Wrong. There are far more people and way fewer unspoiled lands than there were then. I call these factions the Campers, and the Davey Crocketts. The people who survive will be gardeners/gatherers and handcrafters. They will know their plants and how to turn them into clothing and heat and light and food and paper and medicine and shelter and chemicals. Yeah, and they'll try to control their regions by spiking the neighbors' drinking water with homemade birth control drugs. Idiots. |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 06:17:00 GMT, Sue wrote:
(snip) Aha. There ya go. "*Thinking* about another way to live." *Thinking*, not *doing*. Alan/David, I'm proud of you. You've finally come to terms with your fantasy life. Good Boy. Sue Please, Sue, don't sully the word "thinking" by using it to refer to ANYTHING analc does. ;) |
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"Alan Connor" wrote in message
ink.net... In North America at present, including Canada, there are about 500,000 square miles of mountain forests that are removed from major population centers and in a climate that is cold-temperate or better. Assuming 300,000,000 people in the U.S. and Canada, and that 5% of those people can make it to, or are already in, the Rockies (etc.), that gives these areas a post-Collapse population density of approximately 30 people per square mile, or about 20 acres apiece, back-to-back. (your neighbor will be able to hit your house with a thrown rock from their front porch) Having spend a good deal of time in Durango, I can say that if I had to live in the Rockies to survive I would probably find a tall bridge (Royal Gorge?) and jump off. SD |
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On 19 Jan 2004 03:25:52 GMT, Frank White wrote:
In article et, says... On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:02:33 GMT, Gunner wrote: neighbors and friends? alanc is obsessed with the idea of running for the hills and living off the land. In fact he's claimed that's what he and an unspecified group have already done, setting up a defensive parameter that includes boobytraps and poison gas generators, as well as trying No booby-traps, per se, and no poison gas generators. Or perhaps you'd like to post the article where I said that? I thought not. alanc... Never Ever argue facts with me. My interpretation of those facts, yes. My sanity, sure. Opinions, of course. Other facts I may not be aware of, glad to have them revealed to me. But I seldom say things I am not sure of. See beheath your signature below for the posts I am referring to. Carbon monoxide IS a poisonous gas. But your statement above implied a lethal intent and use, which you perfectly well know, and that is obviously not the case. And I also still say that, to drop a hunter in the open like you said you did, you'd need a gas release on the level of Bhorpal. You either were not speaking the truth, or your truth is not based in reality, or there were things going on you did not mention. Here's the specific quote from my post you are referring to: -------------- The last moron like you (but he was stupider than you, because he didn't have the sense to just blow hot air like you do....) who came out here found himself suddenly unable to breathe... A lot of CO will do that to you, and it is very easy to produce. He dropped his gun in a panic and, after he had recovered, couldn't find his gun and ran back to the truck that was no longer there. It was never found again, and when the countymounties came out to talk to us, we had no idea what happened... ----------------------- A person that can run back to their vehicle is hardly on the verge of death, are they? It says he dropped his gun, not that we dropped HIM. I should have been more careful with my phrasing.....Should have said "unable to breathe normally" I have been very clear from the outset that we do not kill or maim people, ever. I'm deleting my posts below just to save bandwidth, but anyone is welcome look them over on your original post. CO in an open area is NEVER lethal. Do your homework and quit telling falsehoods. To kill someone with CO they pretty much have to breathe a 100% mixture for an extended period of time. AC |
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On 19 Jan 2004 03:57:18 GMT, Frank White wrote:
In article . net, says... On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:02:33 GMT, Gunner wrote: Who knows? All I am trying to do is educate people. I've done that. You can't remove my posts from the server or from the archives. All you can do is continue broadcasting your immaturity and ignorance to the world. There are very few people on this group that will survive more than a year after the Collapse, and taking their advice is foolish. Hm. So which ones of us on this group do you think WILL survive more than a year after the disaster you foresee? FW You probably will. Jim Dauven. A few others. AC , |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:33:27 GMT, Bob wrote:
Once the Grid, the Industrial Infrastructure, which is a house of cards at best, collapses, that's it. If you aren't prepared to live without it, you won't last long. AC Why don't you get started now and sit there in your lean-to up on the mountain, all the while laughing at us poor moron's who just don't get it? I prefer an earth-sheltered home with all the amenities, thank you. And most of the people here are not morons, just operating on false premises. AC |
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Alan Connor wrote:
In North America at present, including Canada, there are about 500,000 square miles of mountain forests that are removed from major population centers and in a climate that is cold-temperate or better. Assuming 300,000,000 people in the U.S. and Canada, and that 5% of those people can make it to, or are already in, the Rockies (etc.), that gives these areas a post-Collapse population density of approximately 30 people per square mile, or about 20 acres apiece, back-to-back. (your neighbor will be able to hit your house with a thrown rock from their front porch) (these areas include a lot of grasslands, too, but are predominantly forested) In these conditions, only a survival group that can remain inconspicuous will have a chance of avoiding continual battles with refugees or roving bandits, or continually running from them, and the only way to accomplish this is to have a plant-based lifestyle. If you HAVE to run, then you had better know your wild edible plants, of which there are more than 1800 species in North America, because trapping and hunting will SERIOUSLY slow you down... AC Possibility bad location http://unisci.com/stories/20013/0723011.htm |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:54:30 GMT, Bob Yates wrote:
Alan Connor wrote: In North America at present, including Canada, there are about 500,000 square miles of mountain forests that are removed from major population centers and in a climate that is cold-temperate or better. Assuming 300,000,000 people in the U.S. and Canada, and that 5% of those people can make it to, or are already in, the Rockies (etc.), that gives these areas a post-Collapse population density of approximately 30 people per square mile, or about 20 acres apiece, back-to-back. (your neighbor will be able to hit your house with a thrown rock from their front porch) (these areas include a lot of grasslands, too, but are predominantly forested) In these conditions, only a survival group that can remain inconspicuous will have a chance of avoiding continual battles with refugees or roving bandits, or continually running from them, and the only way to accomplish this is to have a plant-based lifestyle. If you HAVE to run, then you had better know your wild edible plants, of which there are more than 1800 species in North America, because trapping and hunting will SERIOUSLY slow you down... AC Possibility bad location http://unisci.com/stories/20013/0723011.htm Takes me a while to access web documents, but I'll check it out. Thanks. AC |
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"Heynony" wrote in message ... KB9WFK wrote: responding to "your neighbor will be able to hit your house with a thrown rock from their front porch" you are saying that after the collapse, my neighbors biceps are going to mutate into such freakishly large proportions that they will be able to throw rocks 20 acres? Certainly he was exaggerating, but 20 acre plots aren't all that large. Unless I can't do math in my head anymore (quite possible): if your house was offset 80% off center towards the neighbor's lot and his front porch offset similarly toward yours (not totally unreasonable), the throw would be possible, I think (I could throw a rock close to 100 yards as a kid and I was far from the best). The concept is not hugely off. From center to center, probably more on point, it would take a great tee shot rather than a thrown rock. You could throw a rock "almost" a hundred yards - as a kid? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the best quarterbacks in the NFL can throw the entire length of a football field. |
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Having spend a good deal of time in Durango, I can say that if I had to
live in the Rockies to survive I would probably find a tall bridge (Royal Gorge?) and jump off. SD Good!! Could you please take Alan Connor and the rest of the cross-posting pests with you? |
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Having spend a good deal of time in Durango, I can say that if I had to
live in the Rockies to survive I would probably find a tall bridge (Royal Gorge?) and jump off. SD Good!! Could you please take Alan Connor and the rest of the cross-posting pests with you? |
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I've been lurking in this thread for a while and it has given me much
interest and not a little amusement, but I have a question. At risk of sticking my nose in from UK, What is the scenario regarding the apparently/allegedly overdue supervolcano brewing up under Yellowstone, and its aftermath? If what I've heard is correct, it might equally involve this side of the pond. Or is that a whole different thread? . Steve |
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"shazzbat" sez:
snip At risk of sticking my nose in from UK, What is the scenario regarding the apparently/allegedly overdue supervolcano brewing up under Yellowstone, and its aftermath? No worries mate, the Environmental Protection Agency won't allow the super caldera to blow until its filed the required Environmental Impact Statement and complied with all of the required paperwork. :-) Good disasters to ya, VLJ -- Take only pictures, leave only bullet holes ... |
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At risk of sticking my nose in from UK, What is the scenario regarding the apparently/allegedly overdue supervolcano brewing up under Yellowstone, and its aftermath? Can U be more specific? What did you read. Only thing I know is that 20 years ago, the USGS said that there absolutely will be a huge earthquake from the San Andreas fault, but they do not know when. It will be so big many people will die. Is this what you are talking about? |
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Good disasters to ya, VLJ -- Take only pictures, leave only bullet holes ... I asked in an earlier post which disaster was under discussion here, because there are a few possibilities. 1. Global warming-which is happening now. 2. Nuclear winter which could happen if the wrong people press the button, or terrorists somehow- hopefully not for many years. 3. Fossil fuels used up. Oil production is expected to peak in about 10 years, which will bring prices up. No big deal, but what is next? In 250 years humans will use up all the fossil fuels that took 5 billion years to create. I don't remember god telling us we could do that? 4. Overpopulation and diminishing food supply- But hopefully this can be managed somehow. So is this all loony? Maybe, but it is all real and we hope that "THEY" whoever they are, will solve these problems. I am 43 so I think I will make it off the planet in time, but what about the little tikes of today and tomorrow? Overall, a sustainable way of life sounds better to me than trying to solve these problems with technology. |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:50:14 GMT, Me wrote:
In article , Gunner wrote: Sorry Bubba, but like firearms, nuclear weapons and oral sex, the genie is out of the bottle. Even after a Collapse..the Net will be one of the first things to become reimplimented. In one fashion or another. If you only had a clue as to what you were talking about you would be classed a bit higher than "Moroon". In an American Collapse Senerio, the Internet would far down the list of things rebuilt. chuckle...you do realize that the Internet started out as a hardened, multiple routing system *designed* to be fault tolerant to a nuclear war? And was designed to have substantial back up power systems? and that it has only gotten more robust over the years, now that it no longer depends on copper wire and microwave links? First, Power would need to be available coutry wide and in mostly the "Big Cities" for the Routers that make the Internet work ti operate. Second, more than 75% of the links are FiberOptic these days and the MUltiplexers and Switches would also have to have power, which isn't going to be around country wide after a collapse. same with the cable-Tv and DSL/Phone systems. Just who is going to run the Dams & Nuke Plants to provide all this power nation wide? And the newer fiber optic links take *less* power and are *much* more resistant to things like EMP....compared to the older links... and as Bob G points out in another post...there are folks who are capable of going long haul wireless, abet at fairly low (but still significant) bit rates. ck -- country doc in louisiana (no fancy sayings right now) |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:50:14 GMT, Me wrote:
In article , Gunner wrote: Sorry Bubba, but like firearms, nuclear weapons and oral sex, the genie is out of the bottle. Even after a Collapse..the Net will be one of the first things to become reimplimented. In one fashion or another. If you only had a clue as to what you were talking about you would be classed a bit higher than "Moroon". In an American Collapse Senerio, the Internet would far down the list of things rebuilt. chuckle...you do realize that the Internet started out as a hardened, multiple routing system *designed* to be fault tolerant to a nuclear war? And was designed to have substantial back up power systems? and that it has only gotten more robust over the years, now that it no longer depends on copper wire and microwave links? First, Power would need to be available coutry wide and in mostly the "Big Cities" for the Routers that make the Internet work ti operate. Second, more than 75% of the links are FiberOptic these days and the MUltiplexers and Switches would also have to have power, which isn't going to be around country wide after a collapse. same with the cable-Tv and DSL/Phone systems. Just who is going to run the Dams & Nuke Plants to provide all this power nation wide? And the newer fiber optic links take *less* power and are *much* more resistant to things like EMP....compared to the older links... and as Bob G points out in another post...there are folks who are capable of going long haul wireless, abet at fairly low (but still significant) bit rates. ck -- country doc in louisiana (no fancy sayings right now) |
North America After the Collapse
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:18:27 -0500, ""
wrote: "Heynony" wrote in message ... KB9WFK wrote: responding to "your neighbor will be able to hit your house with a thrown rock from their front porch" you are saying that after the collapse, my neighbors biceps are going to mutate into such freakishly large proportions that they will be able to throw rocks 20 acres? Certainly he was exaggerating, but 20 acre plots aren't all that large. Unless I can't do math in my head anymore (quite possible): if your house was offset 80% off center towards the neighbor's lot and his front porch offset similarly toward yours (not totally unreasonable), the throw would be possible, I think (I could throw a rock close to 100 yards as a kid and I was far from the best). The concept is not hugely off. From center to center, probably more on point, it would take a great tee shot rather than a thrown rock. You could throw a rock "almost" a hundred yards - as a kid? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the best quarterbacks in the NFL can throw the entire length of a football field. A rock is more like a baseball than a football. A major league outfielder can throw a baseball 100 yards. In my younger days, so could I. -- Robert Sturgeon, proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy and the evil gun culture. |
North America After the Collapse
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:18:27 -0500, ""
wrote: "Heynony" wrote in message ... KB9WFK wrote: responding to "your neighbor will be able to hit your house with a thrown rock from their front porch" you are saying that after the collapse, my neighbors biceps are going to mutate into such freakishly large proportions that they will be able to throw rocks 20 acres? Certainly he was exaggerating, but 20 acre plots aren't all that large. Unless I can't do math in my head anymore (quite possible): if your house was offset 80% off center towards the neighbor's lot and his front porch offset similarly toward yours (not totally unreasonable), the throw would be possible, I think (I could throw a rock close to 100 yards as a kid and I was far from the best). The concept is not hugely off. From center to center, probably more on point, it would take a great tee shot rather than a thrown rock. You could throw a rock "almost" a hundred yards - as a kid? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the best quarterbacks in the NFL can throw the entire length of a football field. A rock is more like a baseball than a football. A major league outfielder can throw a baseball 100 yards. In my younger days, so could I. -- Robert Sturgeon, proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy and the evil gun culture. |
North America After the Collapse
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North America After the Collapse
Ross wrote:
.... I asked in an earlier post which disaster was under discussion here, because there are a few possibilities. 1. Global warming-which is happening now. Whether or not this is caused by humans (or even happening) is not certain. The earth has seen global climate change many times in the past that had nothing to do with man. 2. Nuclear winter which could happen if the wrong people press the button, or terrorists somehow- hopefully not for many years. Now there's an idea. Whether or not man is causing "global warming", man could correct it. Man could also probably fix the "nuclear winter" by vaporizing an appropriate volume of ocean with nukes. 3. Fossil fuels used up. Oil production is expected to peak in about 10 years, which will bring prices up. No big deal, but what is next? In 250 years humans will use up all the fossil fuels that took 5 billion years to create. I don't remember god telling us we could do that? Nuclear power. Since you seem to have a direct line to God, did God say we could or couldn't use our God-given brains to develop nuclear power? 4. Overpopulation and diminishing food supply- But hopefully this can be managed somehow. Once again, nukes... the answer to all our problems. I've seen the future, and it glows. |
North America After the Collapse
Ross wrote:
.... I asked in an earlier post which disaster was under discussion here, because there are a few possibilities. 1. Global warming-which is happening now. Whether or not this is caused by humans (or even happening) is not certain. The earth has seen global climate change many times in the past that had nothing to do with man. 2. Nuclear winter which could happen if the wrong people press the button, or terrorists somehow- hopefully not for many years. Now there's an idea. Whether or not man is causing "global warming", man could correct it. Man could also probably fix the "nuclear winter" by vaporizing an appropriate volume of ocean with nukes. 3. Fossil fuels used up. Oil production is expected to peak in about 10 years, which will bring prices up. No big deal, but what is next? In 250 years humans will use up all the fossil fuels that took 5 billion years to create. I don't remember god telling us we could do that? Nuclear power. Since you seem to have a direct line to God, did God say we could or couldn't use our God-given brains to develop nuclear power? 4. Overpopulation and diminishing food supply- But hopefully this can be managed somehow. Once again, nukes... the answer to all our problems. I've seen the future, and it glows. |
North America After the Collapse
wrote:
"Heynony" wrote in message ... Certainly he was exaggerating, but 20 acre plots aren't all that large. ...... You could throw a rock "almost" a hundred yards - as a kid? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the best quarterbacks in the NFL can throw the entire length of a football field. Assuming a perfect square, 20 acres would be 312 yards on a side. The very best NFL quarterbacks can, under duress, throw 50-55 yards with a modicum of accuracy. An outfielder in baseball is expected to only reach 1st, 2nd, or 3rd base with a deep throw (40-50 yards) & then the accuracy will be questionable at best (it's usually not even close). Pete H -- We are all of one nation, all of one creed We are all out of nature, all of one seed I. Bairnson |
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