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North America After the Collapse
Since when did North America not include Canada? =P
James, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada "Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... In North America at present, including Canada,... |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:27 -0500, wrote:
"Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:25:02 -0500, Peter H wrote: Condor Chef wrote: What people forget is that a rock is not a football, or a baseball, or a grenade. Footballs & baseballs have already been covered by this thread & even by professional throwers found quite wanting. And, should you be able to throw a hand grenade 100 yards or better, it would explode before landing, pretty well obviating the reason for throwing one in the first place. It's simply not a feasible feat. Any rock you might throw (by hand, but I most seriously doubt it) 100 yards would not be an effective weapon. Someone around here needs to look up "figure of speech". *I* certainly didn't even imply that anyone would try to throw a rock for an 1/8 of a mile as a weapon. No, but now you've implied that there are 800 yards to a mile. Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. AC |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:27 -0500, wrote:
"Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:25:02 -0500, Peter H wrote: Condor Chef wrote: What people forget is that a rock is not a football, or a baseball, or a grenade. Footballs & baseballs have already been covered by this thread & even by professional throwers found quite wanting. And, should you be able to throw a hand grenade 100 yards or better, it would explode before landing, pretty well obviating the reason for throwing one in the first place. It's simply not a feasible feat. Any rock you might throw (by hand, but I most seriously doubt it) 100 yards would not be an effective weapon. Someone around here needs to look up "figure of speech". *I* certainly didn't even imply that anyone would try to throw a rock for an 1/8 of a mile as a weapon. No, but now you've implied that there are 800 yards to a mile. Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. AC |
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Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens
and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat "Alan Connor" wrote in message link.net... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:27 -0500, wrote: "Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:25:02 -0500, Peter H wrote: Condor Chef wrote: What people forget is that a rock is not a football, or a baseball, or a grenade. Footballs & baseballs have already been covered by this thread & even by professional throwers found quite wanting. And, should you be able to throw a hand grenade 100 yards or better, it would explode before landing, pretty well obviating the reason for throwing one in the first place. It's simply not a feasible feat. Any rock you might throw (by hand, but I most seriously doubt it) 100 yards would not be an effective weapon. Someone around here needs to look up "figure of speech". *I* certainly didn't even imply that anyone would try to throw a rock for an 1/8 of a mile as a weapon. No, but now you've implied that there are 800 yards to a mile. Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. AC |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:28:33 GMT, Alan Connor wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:27 -0500, wrote: "Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:25:02 -0500, Peter H wrote: Condor Chef wrote: What people forget is that a rock is not a football, or a baseball, or a grenade. Footballs & baseballs have already been covered by this thread & even by professional throwers found quite wanting. And, should you be able to throw a hand grenade 100 yards or better, it would explode before landing, pretty well obviating the reason for throwing one in the first place. It's simply not a feasible feat. Any rock you might throw (by hand, but I most seriously doubt it) 100 yards would not be an effective weapon. Someone around here needs to look up "figure of speech". *I* certainly didn't even imply that anyone would try to throw a rock for an 1/8 of a mile as a weapon. No, but now you've implied that there are 800 yards to a mile. Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Alan is getting so, well, so....... blah. Sue - ignored :o( AC |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, D Kat wrote:
Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat I too love gardening. So you think that just because you aren't into planning for the end of your civilization that it isn't going to happen? :-) What's going on is being called the Great Recession. Unlike in the Great Depression, ailing companies can use cheap labor, and markets, overseas, and it is only the Middle Class that are dying. (Notice that the value of the Euro is so high that along with terrorism fears it has largely killed international tourism in the U.S. Care to guess how many Middle-Class folks lost and are losing their jobs because of this? And it is not going to get better. Quite the opposite. Inflation is going to continue at the same alarming pace. Soon you will not be able to afford a car.) As it progresses, you will, if you have any brains at all, change your mind. AC |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:28:33 GMT, Alan Connor wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:27 -0500, wrote: "Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:25:02 -0500, Peter H wrote: Condor Chef wrote: What people forget is that a rock is not a football, or a baseball, or a grenade. Footballs & baseballs have already been covered by this thread & even by professional throwers found quite wanting. And, should you be able to throw a hand grenade 100 yards or better, it would explode before landing, pretty well obviating the reason for throwing one in the first place. It's simply not a feasible feat. Any rock you might throw (by hand, but I most seriously doubt it) 100 yards would not be an effective weapon. Someone around here needs to look up "figure of speech". *I* certainly didn't even imply that anyone would try to throw a rock for an 1/8 of a mile as a weapon. No, but now you've implied that there are 800 yards to a mile. Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Alan is getting so, well, so....... blah. Sue - ignored :o( AC |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, "D Kat" wrote:
Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat Sorry, I just made another post on this thread and didn't remove any of the other groups. Actually, as far as a can tell, Alan is the only one of the regular posters *convinced* that the end of civilization is coming soon. Everyone else, I believe, just uses TEOTWAWKI scenarios for mental excercises. Sue - not deleting your group because this is addressed to you "Alan Connor" wrote in message hlink.net... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:27 -0500, wrote: "Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:25:02 -0500, Peter H wrote: Condor Chef wrote: What people forget is that a rock is not a football, or a baseball, or a grenade. Footballs & baseballs have already been covered by this thread & even by professional throwers found quite wanting. And, should you be able to throw a hand grenade 100 yards or better, it would explode before landing, pretty well obviating the reason for throwing one in the first place. It's simply not a feasible feat. Any rock you might throw (by hand, but I most seriously doubt it) 100 yards would not be an effective weapon. Someone around here needs to look up "figure of speech". *I* certainly didn't even imply that anyone would try to throw a rock for an 1/8 of a mile as a weapon. No, but now you've implied that there are 800 yards to a mile. Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. AC |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, D Kat wrote:
Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat I too love gardening. So you think that just because you aren't into planning for the end of your civilization that it isn't going to happen? :-) What's going on is being called the Great Recession. Unlike in the Great Depression, ailing companies can use cheap labor, and markets, overseas, and it is only the Middle Class that are dying. (Notice that the value of the Euro is so high that along with terrorism fears it has largely killed international tourism in the U.S. Care to guess how many Middle-Class folks lost and are losing their jobs because of this? And it is not going to get better. Quite the opposite. Inflation is going to continue at the same alarming pace. Soon you will not be able to afford a car.) As it progresses, you will, if you have any brains at all, change your mind. AC |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, "D Kat" wrote:
Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat Sorry, I just made another post on this thread and didn't remove any of the other groups. Actually, as far as a can tell, Alan is the only one of the regular posters *convinced* that the end of civilization is coming soon. Everyone else, I believe, just uses TEOTWAWKI scenarios for mental excercises. Sue - not deleting your group because this is addressed to you "Alan Connor" wrote in message hlink.net... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:27 -0500, wrote: "Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:25:02 -0500, Peter H wrote: Condor Chef wrote: What people forget is that a rock is not a football, or a baseball, or a grenade. Footballs & baseballs have already been covered by this thread & even by professional throwers found quite wanting. And, should you be able to throw a hand grenade 100 yards or better, it would explode before landing, pretty well obviating the reason for throwing one in the first place. It's simply not a feasible feat. Any rock you might throw (by hand, but I most seriously doubt it) 100 yards would not be an effective weapon. Someone around here needs to look up "figure of speech". *I* certainly didn't even imply that anyone would try to throw a rock for an 1/8 of a mile as a weapon. No, but now you've implied that there are 800 yards to a mile. Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. AC |
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No I don't think it is or that it isn't. I was simply responding to
someone's bafflement that for a survivalist room no one seems interested in the issue of the collapse of civilization. My statement was that the post was crossposted to rooms that were not of that ilk. In response to the issue - I'm not so sure we are civilized. You are talking about a country that executes mentally retarded humans, imprisons children (and executes them), wants to teach the bible as science, crows about being religous and loving G~d while painting graffiti over G~d's creation and strutting about glorifying man's creations over that of G~d (ugly sentence)... There is a prayer (I'm really not into prayers in general since to me waving the flag or your religion in public is like making out on Main Street but...) the prayer says basically to work to change for the better that which you can, not to be brought down by those things you cannot change and to have the sense to know the difference. Humans (well all living things) adapt. If civilization collapses, those who adapt may survive. I may be a survivor, I may not be. I'm not going to ruin my life living it for the worse possible outcome. I wouldn't respond at all to this but I'm snow bound and bored.... and I like science fiction/fantasy DKat "Alan Connor" wrote in message link.net... On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, D Kat wrote: Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat I too love gardening. So you think that just because you aren't into planning for the end of your civilization that it isn't going to happen? :-) What's going on is being called the Great Recession. Unlike in the Great Depression, ailing companies can use cheap labor, and markets, overseas, and it is only the Middle Class that are dying. (Notice that the value of the Euro is so high that along with terrorism fears it has largely killed international tourism in the U.S. Care to guess how many Middle-Class folks lost and are losing their jobs because of this? And it is not going to get better. Quite the opposite. Inflation is going to continue at the same alarming pace. Soon you will not be able to afford a car.) As it progresses, you will, if you have any brains at all, change your mind. AC |
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Again, I wasn't complaining about the cross posting. Just commenting (again
because I'm bored and looking to ramble) to the comment about the curiousity of survivalist not wanting to respond to the actual topic - I said that is because it is being posted in rooms that are not survivalist.... DK "Sue" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, "D Kat" wrote: Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat Sorry, I just made another post on this thread and didn't remove any of the other groups. Actually, as far as a can tell, Alan is the only one of the regular posters *convinced* that the end of civilization is coming soon. Everyone else, I believe, just uses TEOTWAWKI scenarios for mental excercises. Sue - not deleting your group because this is addressed to you "Alan Connor" wrote in message hlink.net... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:27 -0500, wrote: "Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:25:02 -0500, Peter H wrote: Condor Chef wrote: What people forget is that a rock is not a football, or a baseball, or a grenade. Footballs & baseballs have already been covered by this thread & even by professional throwers found quite wanting. And, should you be able to throw a hand grenade 100 yards or better, it would explode before landing, pretty well obviating the reason for throwing one in the first place. It's simply not a feasible feat. Any rock you might throw (by hand, but I most seriously doubt it) 100 yards would not be an effective weapon. Someone around here needs to look up "figure of speech". *I* certainly didn't even imply that anyone would try to throw a rock for an 1/8 of a mile as a weapon. No, but now you've implied that there are 800 yards to a mile. Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. AC |
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Sue wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, "D Kat" wrote: all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat Sorry, I just made another post on this thread and didn't remove any of the other groups. Actually, as far as a can tell, Alan is the only one of the regular posters *convinced* that the end of civilization is coming soon. Everyone else, I believe, just uses TEOTWAWKI scenarios for mental excercises. Sue - not deleting your group because this is addressed to you Yup. Of course, something can be a total wipeout for one person, and the rest of the human race hardly notices, or something can turn most of a country over and an individual in the country sees little or not effect on his own life. (shrug). Plan for what you can or think likely, even if someone on the usenet cannot understand what you are planning for, never mind why. |
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Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. Is not this the main reason for space travel? The leaders know this planet is limited. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:21:22 GMT, Ross wrote:
Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. Is not this the main reason for space travel? The leaders know this planet is limited. The leaders want you to think that it will be possible to pillage this planet do death and then escape from it. And YOU want to believe that. Who was it that said "There's a sucker born every minute."? AC |
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Hi All,
what is TEOTWAWKI ?. I have read this thread with some interest even though is has very little with gardening. Richard M. Watkin. "Sue" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, "D Kat" wrote: Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat Sorry, I just made another post on this thread and didn't remove any of the other groups. Actually, as far as a can tell, Alan is the only one of the regular posters *convinced* that the end of civilization is coming soon. Everyone else, I believe, just uses TEOTWAWKI scenarios for mental excercises. Sue - not deleting your group because this is addressed to you "Alan Connor" wrote in message hlink.net... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:57:27 -0500, wrote: "Alan Connor" wrote in message ink.net... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:25:02 -0500, Peter H wrote: Condor Chef wrote: What people forget is that a rock is not a football, or a baseball, or a grenade. Footballs & baseballs have already been covered by this thread & even by professional throwers found quite wanting. And, should you be able to throw a hand grenade 100 yards or better, it would explode before landing, pretty well obviating the reason for throwing one in the first place. It's simply not a feasible feat. Any rock you might throw (by hand, but I most seriously doubt it) 100 yards would not be an effective weapon. Someone around here needs to look up "figure of speech". *I* certainly didn't even imply that anyone would try to throw a rock for an 1/8 of a mile as a weapon. No, but now you've implied that there are 800 yards to a mile. Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. AC |
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This took me some time to sort out myself, not being a
survivalist/armageddonist sort. I believe it means The End Of The World As We Know It " R M. Watkin" wrote in message ... Hi All, what is TEOTWAWKI ?. I have read this thread with some interest even though is has very little with gardening. Richard M. Watkin. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:13:38 -0000, R M. Watkin wrote:
Hi All, what is TEOTWAWKI ?. I have read this thread with some interest even though is has very little with gardening. Richard M. Watkin. The End Of The World As We Know It Gardening has a lot to do with IT, however, if you plan to survive after this civilization collapses. Why is it going to collapse? Because it is incredibly destructive of the environment and requires an extensive under-class that must live in poverty because the fruits of their labors are needed to sustain the lifestyle of the 'Haves'. This in turn requires a lot of violence and coercion, further adding to the misery of the de facto slaves that form the economic foundation of Industrial-Capitalism. Most of these are, of course, in the "3rd World" where the 'Good White Christians' and 'Enlightened Progressives' don't have to witness their misery and hopelessness. And their ranks are swelled by all of the people driven from their ancestral lands into urban ghettos because those lands are needed for the plantations and clear cuts and mines and dams and factories and roads that Business must have in order to function. It has to die because it is a failure. A failed experiment that threatens all life on Earth. And creates more misery than it does happiness. AC |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:13:38 -0000, R M. Watkin wrote:
Hi All, what is TEOTWAWKI ?. I have read this thread with some interest even though is has very little with gardening. Richard M. Watkin. The End Of The World As We Know It Gardening has a lot to do with IT, however, if you plan to survive after this civilization collapses. Why is it going to collapse? Because it is incredibly destructive of the environment and requires an extensive under-class that must live in poverty because the fruits of their labors are needed to sustain the lifestyle of the 'Haves'. This in turn requires a lot of violence and coercion, further adding to the misery of the de facto slaves that form the economic foundation of Industrial-Capitalism. Most of these are, of course, in the "3rd World" where the 'Good White Christians' and 'Enlightened Progressives' don't have to witness their misery and hopelessness. And their ranks are swelled by all of the people driven from their ancestral lands into urban ghettos because those lands are needed for the plantations and clear cuts and mines and dams and factories and roads that Business must have in order to function. It has to die because it is a failure. A failed experiment that threatens all life on Earth. And creates more misery than it does happiness. AC |
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gregpresley wrote:
This took me some time to sort out myself, not being a survivalist/armageddonist sort. I believe it means The End Of The World As We Know It Yup. Anything from losing a job during a bad economy, through a moon sized asteroid hitting the planet. Massive changes for the people involved. Best defense for the stuff you can do something about is to diversify investments, plant a variety of veggies, preserve what you don't eat, have a generator to keep the freezer cold in power outages, keep the rototiller serviced, other silly, right winger, survivalist wierdo stuff like that. |
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Alan Connor wrote in message link.net...
If you HAVE to run, then you had better know your wild edible plants, of which there are more than 1800 species in North America, because trapping and hunting will SERIOUSLY slow you down... AC You silly asshole. First, there is NO collapse in sight except for your sanity. Second, who is going to RUN? Not me. Let the bandits try, I will put a 9 mm up their nose. jimbo |
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Frank White wrote:
(Everytime this comes up I keep remembering a Silver Age Justice League of America story, in which several superheroes were KO'ed instantly by a car backfire that unleashed a larger than normal burst of carbon monoxide despite the fact that it was a normal car, they were out in the open, and were running at top speed after the moving car. Some things just don't work...) Isn't it neat how some fantasies just keep on working and working and..... Pete H -- We are all of one nation, all of one creed We are all out of nature, all of one seed I. Bairnson |
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Alan Connor wrote:
Except that I was talking about an "exhaust" putting out pure CO (woodgas) Then you've missed your chance! You stumbled onto (under?) the hypothetical "perfect combustion engine/source" and should have made better note of the circumstances. If you can capture the beast & get a patent, your income would make Bill Gates' net worth look like a tip to the parking valet. Or do I misunderstand and these folks were "chasing after" a source of wood gas exhaust? Should that be the case, you've seen too many "Men In ***" flicks. rather than almost pure C02 with traces of C0, which is what cars and such do. "...and such..." I hereby refer you to: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm wherein the sweeping generality takes its rightful place amongst the more common brain-gasses of our time But, then, you're on this great big "collapse" kick which is one of the ultimate gasses. Such fanatsies have been around as long as means to record them. Pete H -- We are all of one nation, all of one creed We are all out of nature, all of one seed I. Bairnson |
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Ross wro
Is not this the main reason for space travel? The leaders know this planet is limited. 'Fraid I've gotta go with AC on this one. Any meaningful migration (as opposed to expansion) of the human race off this planet is rather like going regularly from New York to Paris to buy the daily bread and cheese. It can (barely) be done, but nobody can foot the bill. Pete H -- We are all of one nation, all of one creed We are all out of nature, all of one seed I. Bairnson |
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Frank White wrote:
In article , says... On 19 Jan 2004 18:45:25 GMT, (Frank White) wrote: walked on - there is nothing to suggest immediate danger. Of course, that's "immediate" in the geological sense, right? ;) Right. We could all be dead and dust before anything happens. FW Statistically, you're right on. Plus or minus several millennia. Pete H -- We are all of one nation, all of one creed We are all out of nature, all of one seed I. Bairnson |
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Yep, that is the one they pull out of the hat any time they want to
rationalize trashing the earth and not being responsible adults... "Well we will just move to another planet!". Anyone ever stop to figure out how many ships it would take to move 12Billion people (the likely number of humans that we will have before we even get close to being able to transport mass numbers of people) I guess they figure that they will be one of the "lucky" ones that gets to leave.... OK - done with micro rant DKat "Alan Connor" wrote in message hlink.net... On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:21:22 GMT, Ross wrote: Seems like folks here, on a group *allegedly* focussed on survivalism, prefer to avoid talking about the probable collapse of their civilization. Pretty funny. But understandable. They think that they only way people can have a decent life is to live as they do now, or how their ancestors lived. Which is bizarre, considering that by any rational standards, the quality- of-life in America just plain stinks. And their fool ancestors wiped out people who had a significantly superior culture. What they need to face is the fact that ALL totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling the history books. The Soviets also called their country "The Greatest Country on Earth" and had libraries full of books that "proved" this "fact". America isnt even anywhere near the top, even by its own standards. 37th in health care, 14th in longevity. See trendsresearch.com And even the lifestyle of the Europeans is based upon exploiting the lands and lives of people in the "3rd World", and those folks are purely fed up it. Industrial-Capitalism is simple too destructive of the land and non-member populations to continue for long. Is not this the main reason for space travel? The leaders know this planet is limited. The leaders want you to think that it will be possible to pillage this planet do death and then escape from it. And YOU want to believe that. Who was it that said "There's a sucker born every minute."? AC |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:26:00 -0500, Peter H wrote:
Frank White wrote: (Everytime this comes up I keep remembering a Silver Age Justice League of America story, in which several superheroes were KO'ed instantly by a car backfire that unleashed a larger than normal burst of carbon monoxide despite the fact that it was a normal car, they were out in the open, and were running at top speed after the moving car. Some things just don't work...) Isn't it neat how some fantasies just keep on working and working and..... Pete H -- We are all of one nation, all of one creed We are all out of nature, all of one seed I. Bairnson And wouldn't it be nice if unpleasant realities would go away when people mocked them. ROTFL. AC |
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On 21 Jan 2004 16:21:34 -0800, jimbo wrote:
Alan Connor wrote in message link.net... If you HAVE to run, then you had better know your wild edible plants, of which there are more than 1800 species in North America, because trapping and hunting will SERIOUSLY slow you down... AC You silly asshole. First, there is NO collapse in sight except for your sanity. Second, who is going to RUN? Not me. Let the bandits try, I will put a 9 mm up their nose. jimbo A preponderance of pathetic fools like you is one of the main reasons your civilization IS going to collapse. AC |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:58:32 GMT, Alan Connor said:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, D Kat wrote: Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat I too love gardening. So you think that just because you aren't into planning for the end of your civilization that it isn't going to happen? No one in the survivalist groups takes AlanC seriously, he posts under a bunch of different sockpuppets and is just your typical net kook. He has sort of become a whipping post in M.S. so now he has taken to crossposting to wherever he thinks folks will agree with him. He has posted as: there are others All of which trace to an ISP just outside of Seattle WS. To get an idea of what a kook this guy really is, just do a google search on the above addys Also note*** the alt.magik folks had a blast with this kook a while back, so I added them so they could rejoin the fun. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:11:26 -0500, North said:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:58:32 GMT, Alan Connor said: On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:42:04 GMT, D Kat wrote: Take a look where this has been cross posted... Many of us in rec.gardens and probably every room EXCEPT for survivalism are not all that in to planning for the end of civilization. We are having way too much fun in our gardens and doing what we do. Now if you want a hot debate that will cross all rooms and have everyone ticked off even at themselves bring up.... NO... I learned my lesson... I'm NOT going to go there.... Sighhhh, it passed. All is good. DKat I too love gardening. So you think that just because you aren't into planning for the end of your civilization that it isn't going to happen? No one in the survivalist groups takes AlanC seriously, he posts under a bunch of different sockpuppets and is just your typical net kook. He has sort of become a whipping post in M.S. so now he has taken to crossposting to wherever he thinks folks will agree with him. He has posted as: there are others All of which trace to an ISP just outside of Seattle WS. To get an idea of what a kook this guy really is, just do a google search on the above addys Also note*** the alt.magik folks had a blast with this kook a while back, so I added them so they could rejoin the fun. |
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Yawn.
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:28:29 GMT, Alan Connor wrote: snip snip snip AC |
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:00:36 GMT, D Kat wrote:
Yep, that is the one they pull out of the hat any time they want to rationalize trashing the earth and not being responsible adults... "Well we will just move to another planet!". Anyone ever stop to figure out how many ships it would take to move 12Billion people (the likely number of humans that we will have before we even get close to being able to transport mass numbers of people) I guess they figure that they will be one of the "lucky" ones that gets to leave.... You pegged it. "Technology will save us." Famous last words. OK - done with micro rant DKat |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:55:13 -0500, North wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:13:17 GMT, (Noah Simoneaux) said: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:41:16 -0500, North wrote: (piggybacking) GENERAL AC {Of the Wildwood defence force} Why do idiots like this with delusions of grandeur ALWAYS appoint themselves as either Colonels or Generals? :/ In this case I appointed him general, since he seems to be the one in charge of "Wildwood" I bet you just spotted his natural superiority and acknowledged the obvious rank he deserved. ;) But what is fun is Alan (Once bruce, then alan, then david, now alan again" has started to tell us once again how he and his gang of loin cloth drapped , pot smoking, scronny little vegans are going to keep the rest of the survivors of the great crash that alans has predicted from returning to life as we know it or close to it. You can always tell these megalomaniac types. They want to lead people now and would also be willing to lead people after the collapse. The only little problem is the minor detail that they're so incompetent that they couldn't lead a group of girl scouts out of a mall. This guy's a danger to himself. He might be if he ever tried to actually do anything. So far all he's dared is to get mouthy on the newsgroups. ;) I bet that's about as dangerous as he'll ever get. |
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Alan Connor wrote in message link.net...
On 21 Jan 2004 16:21:34 -0800, jimbo wrote: Alan Connor wrote in message link.net... If you HAVE to run, then you had better know your wild edible plants, of which there are more than 1800 species in North America, because trapping and hunting will SERIOUSLY slow you down... AC You silly asshole. First, there is NO collapse in sight except for your sanity. Second, who is going to RUN? Not me. Let the bandits try, I will put a 9 mm up their nose. jimbo A preponderance of pathetic fools like you is one of the main reasons your civilization IS going to collapse. AC You are the pathetic fool. "My" civilization will continue to dominate the world despite lunatics like you. Pathetic fools like you will run and hide and eat grass while people like me relax at home in comfort eating steak and drinking wine. |
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