ROFLMAO.................Fairies, flowers and middle-aged Southern women with
obsessive gardening tendencies........oh oh wait, better yet, "Home for
wayward fairies, loony and obsessive gardeners" GBSEG yer too kind sugar!
((hug))
madgardener up on the chilly ridge, back in Fairy Holler, overlooking
English Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, where we're back to winter, zone 7,
Sunset zone 36
"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
You should have your own show MG, how cool would that be?

You got that right!! (you should run into me in Outside Lawn and Garden at
the Lowe's I work at! GBSEG
maddie
"Vox Humana" wrote in message
...

"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
You should have your own show MG, how cool would that be?


I wouldn't want the job of editing that script down to 60 minutes!

ROFLMAO.................Fairies, flowers and middle-aged Southern women with
obsessive gardening tendencies........oh oh wait, better yet, "Home for
wayward fairies, loony and obsessive gardeners" GBSEG yer too kind sugar!
((hug))
madgardener up on the chilly ridge, back in Fairy Holler, overlooking
English Mountain in Eastern Tennessee, where we're back to winter, zone 7,
Sunset zone 36
"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
You should have your own show MG, how cool would that be?

You got that right!! (you should run into me in Outside Lawn and Garden at
the Lowe's I work at! GBSEG
maddie
"Vox Humana" wrote in message
...

"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
You should have your own show MG, how cool would that be?


I wouldn't want the job of editing that script down to 60 minutes!

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:03:48 GMT, "Vox Humana" opined:


... and how many times do these people pick the WORST of the three designs
on that "Landscaper's Challenge" show on HGTV?


Well, the one I saw this past weekend showed a single woman and they built her
an outdoor fireplace and painted it this disgusting color yellow. This design
was somehow supposed to represent her Italian heritage. I can see terra cotta,
but the designer though since he gave her Rosemary 'Tuscany Blue' it was a
Tuscan garden. NOT!

Eh.

V

Ya know what's interesting....when I go into shops now and look at plants which
are full grown. I compare them to my full grown plants. Then I look at the
price. I have to say that buying plants small and letting time make them
sizeable is the single most cost effective way to make your property worth more.

I saw a plumeria the other day as large as mine (8feet with three lateral
branches) and it was 200 dollars. I don't know "who" would pay that, but it
only took my 5 dollar, 6" pot size plumeria two years to get that large.

I've seen brugmansia in 10 inch pots for THREE HUNDRED dollars! Of course, that
is at a very exclusive garden center in Austin called "GARDENS."

So, now I am propagating cuttings and making money for my habit.

As for grass in Arizona, it's the dumbest I've ever seen. That and big,
annoying rose gardens using new roses, not even old fashioned. Yick.

My landscape has way more than 75% native plants and everyone who sees it thinks
it's a tropical looking garden. There is nothing tropical in it, unless you
consider cannas. However, they are hardy perennials here.

So, I suppose we're lucky to have a local garden show on PBS called Central
Texas Gardener.

Victoria

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:39:19 GMT, "D Kat" opined:

The Canada shows work well for much of the northeast and some for the
northwest but the southern shows really are only useful for a small part of
the south. The Southwest is not shown at all and that is where you really
need a good show to point out how to grow plants in an arid climate. I
can't believe that places like Phenoix REQUIRE that you have grass in your
front yard. That may have changed but that was how it was at one time.

And I agree that the budgets for the make-over shows are unbelievable. It
is possible that I have spent that much my entirely life (55 years) but I
have a hard time believing it. Some of my favorite plants are those I
rescued from the street where people had dug them up and thrown them away.
My best trees are those that came up from seed and that I transplanted when
there were no more than a foot tall or just let them grow where they were.
My little white pine that I rescued from a neighbor when it was nothing more
than a candle now towers over the 5' white pines that I planted at the same
time. Our city now makes people cut up their yard waste before picking it up
so I have lost my source of rescue plants..... Such a waste and such a loss
of entertainment.

DKat

"animaux" wrote in message
.. .
What I don't understand is how they think these generic shows will fit
anywhere
but California, Atlanta or Canada. I know those are highly populated
regions,
but there's a whole continent North America!

I'd love if they would have shows more specific for more selections of
zones and
regions.

I don't mind the make-over garden shows, but when you hear, "she only has
a
$20,000 dollar budget..." I want to puke. Shit, if I spent that much in
my
backyard I'd have the Taj Mahal! It always seems that what these people
get for
their money is sparse, at best.

I'm glad I'm a gardener and still young enough to do a lot of the work,
myself.

Victoria


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:07:53 GMT, "D Kat" opined:

Gardener's Journal and Gardener's Diary were also my favorite shows.
Back
when HGTV first started it had a lot of garden shows but then they seemed
to
be entirely taken over by southern tacky decoration and crafts shows.
Now I
rarely find either showing when I can watch them. DKat
"RichardB" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

[...]

So I stick to Gardening by the yard when I remember it's airing early.
Gardener's Diary which is my absolute favorite now, and keep hoping
they
bring back Gardener's Journal which was the Canadian show that was
awesome
too. That one kinda slipped away last year on HGTV.

Gardener's Diary is my favorite too, and has been for some time. I
missed
it
last weekend because I hadn't noticed the time change but got it
yesterday
(I
always tape it and watch it later). Gardener's Journal is now being
shown
at 7
AM Monday through Friday. They're all repeats I think, but it's nice to
have
the program available again.

Richard in Northern California

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:03:48 GMT, "Vox Humana" opined:


... and how many times do these people pick the WORST of the three designs
on that "Landscaper's Challenge" show on HGTV?


Well, the one I saw this past weekend showed a single woman and they built her
an outdoor fireplace and painted it this disgusting color yellow. This design
was somehow supposed to represent her Italian heritage. I can see terra cotta,
but the designer though since he gave her Rosemary 'Tuscany Blue' it was a
Tuscan garden. NOT!

Eh.

V

Ya know what's interesting....when I go into shops now and look at plants which
are full grown. I compare them to my full grown plants. Then I look at the
price. I have to say that buying plants small and letting time make them
sizeable is the single most cost effective way to make your property worth more.

I saw a plumeria the other day as large as mine (8feet with three lateral
branches) and it was 200 dollars. I don't know "who" would pay that, but it
only took my 5 dollar, 6" pot size plumeria two years to get that large.

I've seen brugmansia in 10 inch pots for THREE HUNDRED dollars! Of course, that
is at a very exclusive garden center in Austin called "GARDENS."

So, now I am propagating cuttings and making money for my habit.

As for grass in Arizona, it's the dumbest I've ever seen. That and big,
annoying rose gardens using new roses, not even old fashioned. Yick.

My landscape has way more than 75% native plants and everyone who sees it thinks
it's a tropical looking garden. There is nothing tropical in it, unless you
consider cannas. However, they are hardy perennials here.

So, I suppose we're lucky to have a local garden show on PBS called Central
Texas Gardener.

Victoria

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:39:19 GMT, "D Kat" opined:

The Canada shows work well for much of the northeast and some for the
northwest but the southern shows really are only useful for a small part of
the south. The Southwest is not shown at all and that is where you really
need a good show to point out how to grow plants in an arid climate. I
can't believe that places like Phenoix REQUIRE that you have grass in your
front yard. That may have changed but that was how it was at one time.

And I agree that the budgets for the make-over shows are unbelievable. It
is possible that I have spent that much my entirely life (55 years) but I
have a hard time believing it. Some of my favorite plants are those I
rescued from the street where people had dug them up and thrown them away.
My best trees are those that came up from seed and that I transplanted when
there were no more than a foot tall or just let them grow where they were.
My little white pine that I rescued from a neighbor when it was nothing more
than a candle now towers over the 5' white pines that I planted at the same
time. Our city now makes people cut up their yard waste before picking it up
so I have lost my source of rescue plants..... Such a waste and such a loss
of entertainment.

DKat

"animaux" wrote in message
.. .
What I don't understand is how they think these generic shows will fit
anywhere
but California, Atlanta or Canada. I know those are highly populated
regions,
but there's a whole continent North America!

I'd love if they would have shows more specific for more selections of
zones and
regions.

I don't mind the make-over garden shows, but when you hear, "she only has
a
$20,000 dollar budget..." I want to puke. Shit, if I spent that much in
my
backyard I'd have the Taj Mahal! It always seems that what these people
get for
their money is sparse, at best.

I'm glad I'm a gardener and still young enough to do a lot of the work,
myself.

Victoria


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:07:53 GMT, "D Kat" opined:

Gardener's Journal and Gardener's Diary were also my favorite shows.
Back
when HGTV first started it had a lot of garden shows but then they seemed
to
be entirely taken over by southern tacky decoration and crafts shows.
Now I
rarely find either showing when I can watch them. DKat
"RichardB" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

[...]

So I stick to Gardening by the yard when I remember it's airing early.
Gardener's Diary which is my absolute favorite now, and keep hoping
they
bring back Gardener's Journal which was the Canadian show that was
awesome
too. That one kinda slipped away last year on HGTV.

Gardener's Diary is my favorite too, and has been for some time. I
missed
it
last weekend because I hadn't noticed the time change but got it
yesterday
(I
always tape it and watch it later). Gardener's Journal is now being
shown
at 7
AM Monday through Friday. They're all repeats I think, but it's nice to
have
the program available again.

Richard in Northern California

Yes, I think what people tend to forget is that the larger the plant the
larger the root loss and the longer for recovery. I had always read that
smaller plants do better but it really never hit home until I experienced
first hand with the 1' tree vs the 5' tree. I still have a hard time
believing that the little thing managed to outgrow almost every one of the
5footers I put in that year.

Cuttings are magic. My problem has been that I tend to get absentminded and
not to baby them as I should that first year and they die off on me. I'm
told that you really need to have a special spot put aside just for your
cuttings where they don't have to compete with anything and then transplant
them. I suppose if you did that for just the first year you would minimize
the root damage of transplanting.....

DKat

"animaux" wrote in message
...
Ya know what's interesting....when I go into shops now and look at plants
which
are full grown. I compare them to my full grown plants. Then I look at
the
price. I have to say that buying plants small and letting time make them
sizeable is the single most cost effective way to make your property worth
more.

I saw a plumeria the other day as large as mine (8feet with three lateral
branches) and it was 200 dollars. I don't know "who" would pay that, but
it
only took my 5 dollar, 6" pot size plumeria two years to get that large.

I've seen brugmansia in 10 inch pots for THREE HUNDRED dollars! Of
course, that
is at a very exclusive garden center in Austin called "GARDENS."

So, now I am propagating cuttings and making money for my habit.

As for grass in Arizona, it's the dumbest I've ever seen. That and big,
annoying rose gardens using new roses, not even old fashioned. Yick.

My landscape has way more than 75% native plants and everyone who sees it
thinks
it's a tropical looking garden. There is nothing tropical in it, unless
you
consider cannas. However, they are hardy perennials here.

So, I suppose we're lucky to have a local garden show on PBS called
Central
Texas Gardener.

Victoria

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:39:19 GMT, "D Kat" opined:

The Canada shows work well for much of the northeast and some for the
northwest but the southern shows really are only useful for a small part
of
the south. The Southwest is not shown at all and that is where you
really
need a good show to point out how to grow plants in an arid climate. I
can't believe that places like Phenoix REQUIRE that you have grass in
your
front yard. That may have changed but that was how it was at one time.

And I agree that the budgets for the make-over shows are unbelievable.
It
is possible that I have spent that much my entirely life (55 years) but I
have a hard time believing it. Some of my favorite plants are those I
rescued from the street where people had dug them up and thrown them
away.
My best trees are those that came up from seed and that I transplanted
when
there were no more than a foot tall or just let them grow where they
were.
My little white pine that I rescued from a neighbor when it was nothing
more
than a candle now towers over the 5' white pines that I planted at the
same
time. Our city now makes people cut up their yard waste before picking it
up
so I have lost my source of rescue plants..... Such a waste and such a
loss
of entertainment.

DKat

"animaux" wrote in message
.. .
What I don't understand is how they think these generic shows will fit
anywhere
but California, Atlanta or Canada. I know those are highly populated
regions,
but there's a whole continent North America!

I'd love if they would have shows more specific for more selections of
zones and
regions.

I don't mind the make-over garden shows, but when you hear, "she only
has
a
$20,000 dollar budget..." I want to puke. Shit, if I spent that much
in
my
backyard I'd have the Taj Mahal! It always seems that what these
people
get for
their money is sparse, at best.

I'm glad I'm a gardener and still young enough to do a lot of the work,
myself.

Victoria


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:07:53 GMT, "D Kat" opined:

Gardener's Journal and Gardener's Diary were also my favorite shows.
Back
when HGTV first started it had a lot of garden shows but then they
seemed
to
be entirely taken over by southern tacky decoration and crafts shows.
Now I
rarely find either showing when I can watch them. DKat
"RichardB" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

[...]

So I stick to Gardening by the yard when I remember it's airing
early.
Gardener's Diary which is my absolute favorite now, and keep hoping
they
bring back Gardener's Journal which was the Canadian show that was
awesome
too. That one kinda slipped away last year on HGTV.

Gardener's Diary is my favorite too, and has been for some time. I
missed
it
last weekend because I hadn't noticed the time change but got it
yesterday
(I
always tape it and watch it later). Gardener's Journal is now being
shown
at 7
AM Monday through Friday. They're all repeats I think, but it's nice
to
have
the program available again.

Richard in Northern California

Yes, I think what people tend to forget is that the larger the plant the
larger the root loss and the longer for recovery. I had always read that
smaller plants do better but it really never hit home until I experienced
first hand with the 1' tree vs the 5' tree. I still have a hard time
believing that the little thing managed to outgrow almost every one of the
5footers I put in that year.

Cuttings are magic. My problem has been that I tend to get absentminded and
not to baby them as I should that first year and they die off on me. I'm
told that you really need to have a special spot put aside just for your
cuttings where they don't have to compete with anything and then transplant
them. I suppose if you did that for just the first year you would minimize
the root damage of transplanting.....

DKat

"animaux" wrote in message
...
Ya know what's interesting....when I go into shops now and look at plants
which
are full grown. I compare them to my full grown plants. Then I look at
the
price. I have to say that buying plants small and letting time make them
sizeable is the single most cost effective way to make your property worth
more.

I saw a plumeria the other day as large as mine (8feet with three lateral
branches) and it was 200 dollars. I don't know "who" would pay that, but
it
only took my 5 dollar, 6" pot size plumeria two years to get that large.

I've seen brugmansia in 10 inch pots for THREE HUNDRED dollars! Of
course, that
is at a very exclusive garden center in Austin called "GARDENS."

So, now I am propagating cuttings and making money for my habit.

As for grass in Arizona, it's the dumbest I've ever seen. That and big,
annoying rose gardens using new roses, not even old fashioned. Yick.

My landscape has way more than 75% native plants and everyone who sees it
thinks
it's a tropical looking garden. There is nothing tropical in it, unless
you
consider cannas. However, they are hardy perennials here.

So, I suppose we're lucky to have a local garden show on PBS called
Central
Texas Gardener.

Victoria

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:39:19 GMT, "D Kat" opined:

The Canada shows work well for much of the northeast and some for the
northwest but the southern shows really are only useful for a small part
of
the south. The Southwest is not shown at all and that is where you
really
need a good show to point out how to grow plants in an arid climate. I
can't believe that places like Phenoix REQUIRE that you have grass in
your
front yard. That may have changed but that was how it was at one time.

And I agree that the budgets for the make-over shows are unbelievable.
It
is possible that I have spent that much my entirely life (55 years) but I
have a hard time believing it. Some of my favorite plants are those I
rescued from the street where people had dug them up and thrown them
away.
My best trees are those that came up from seed and that I transplanted
when
there were no more than a foot tall or just let them grow where they
were.
My little white pine that I rescued from a neighbor when it was nothing
more
than a candle now towers over the 5' white pines that I planted at the
same
time. Our city now makes people cut up their yard waste before picking it
up
so I have lost my source of rescue plants..... Such a waste and such a
loss
of entertainment.

DKat

"animaux" wrote in message
.. .
What I don't understand is how they think these generic shows will fit
anywhere
but California, Atlanta or Canada. I know those are highly populated
regions,
but there's a whole continent North America!

I'd love if they would have shows more specific for more selections of
zones and
regions.

I don't mind the make-over garden shows, but when you hear, "she only
has
a
$20,000 dollar budget..." I want to puke. Shit, if I spent that much
in
my
backyard I'd have the Taj Mahal! It always seems that what these
people
get for
their money is sparse, at best.

I'm glad I'm a gardener and still young enough to do a lot of the work,
myself.

Victoria


On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:07:53 GMT, "D Kat" opined:

Gardener's Journal and Gardener's Diary were also my favorite shows.
Back
when HGTV first started it had a lot of garden shows but then they
seemed
to
be entirely taken over by southern tacky decoration and crafts shows.
Now I
rarely find either showing when I can watch them. DKat
"RichardB" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

[...]

So I stick to Gardening by the yard when I remember it's airing
early.
Gardener's Diary which is my absolute favorite now, and keep hoping
they
bring back Gardener's Journal which was the Canadian show that was
awesome
too. That one kinda slipped away last year on HGTV.

Gardener's Diary is my favorite too, and has been for some time. I
missed
it
last weekend because I hadn't noticed the time change but got it
yesterday
(I
always tape it and watch it later). Gardener's Journal is now being
shown
at 7
AM Monday through Friday. They're all repeats I think, but it's nice
to
have
the program available again.

Richard in Northern California

bah, just think, you wouldn't even have to edit (too much), just put some
breaks in and you could film an entire season's worth of show in one
sitting!

And considering some of the lame stuff they show on TV these days, you
could easily make something 100x better.


"John Catron" wrote in :

You got that right!! (you should run into me in Outside Lawn and
Garden at the Lowe's I work at! GBSEG
maddie
"Vox Humana" wrote in message
...

"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
You should have your own show MG, how cool would that be?


I wouldn't want the job of editing that script down to 60 minutes!

bah, just think, you wouldn't even have to edit (too much), just put some
breaks in and you could film an entire season's worth of show in one
sitting!

And considering some of the lame stuff they show on TV these days, you
could easily make something 100x better.


"John Catron" wrote in :

You got that right!! (you should run into me in Outside Lawn and
Garden at the Lowe's I work at! GBSEG
maddie
"Vox Humana" wrote in message
...

"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
You should have your own show MG, how cool would that be?


I wouldn't want the job of editing that script down to 60 minutes!

"Salty Thumb" wrote in message
...
bah, just think, you wouldn't even have to edit (too much), just put some
breaks in and you could film an entire season's worth of show in one
sitting!

And considering some of the lame stuff they show on TV these days, you
could easily make something 100x better.


I suppose the PBS could run one episode for their entire two week pledge
marathon!

but then they seemed to be entirely taken over by southern
tacky decoration and crafts shows.

We tacky s'uthuners resemble that! ;-)

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Apples and
Oranges: A Demonstration -- Welcome to Hooterville! Population:
2000. Elevation: 3000. Established: 1850. TOTAL = 6850 -- Bob
Lilienfield

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:30:45 GMT, "D Kat" opined:

Yes, I think what people tend to forget is that the larger the plant the
larger the root loss and the longer for recovery. I had always read that
smaller plants do better but it really never hit home until I experienced
first hand with the 1' tree vs the 5' tree. I still have a hard time
believing that the little thing managed to outgrow almost every one of the
5footers I put in that year.

Cuttings are magic. My problem has been that I tend to get absentminded and
not to baby them as I should that first year and they die off on me. I'm
told that you really need to have a special spot put aside just for your
cuttings where they don't have to compete with anything and then transplant
them. I suppose if you did that for just the first year you would minimize
the root damage of transplanting.....

DKat

In my experience both professionally and personally, planting anything in the
fall can almost completely eliminate any and all problems of transplant shock.
All perennials have some part of their structure growing all winter. Trees
develop roots all year, especially in winter, in the south.

In my case, I have a greenhouse. It's big enough to have a little misting area
set up for cuttings. I'm fortunate to have a wide array of local garden centers
who love native plants and some exotic specimens like brugmansia, so I have a
source to sell them to. I normally trade for the most excellently produced
compost in America. The Natural Gardener in Austin makes their compost the way
Dr. Elaine Ingham prescribes on her website, www.soilfoodweb.com