Amaranthus is neither a Sedum nor a shrub.

"Beecrofter" wrote in message
om...
Cheryl Isaak wrote in message
...
Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of
the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I
could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl

Try Amaranthus " Hot Biscuits" parks seed
It does better in poorer soil-less lodging.

Amaranthus is neither a Sedum nor a shrub.

"Beecrofter" wrote in message
om...
Cheryl Isaak wrote in message
...
Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of
the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I
could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl

Try Amaranthus " Hot Biscuits" parks seed
It does better in poorer soil-less lodging.

Amaranthus is neither a Sedum nor a shrub.

"Beecrofter" wrote in message
om...
Cheryl Isaak wrote in message
...
Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of
the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I
could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl

Try Amaranthus " Hot Biscuits" parks seed
It does better in poorer soil-less lodging.

Don't you know that Asters aren't Sedum?


"Terry" wrote in message
om...
Hi Cheryl,
If you are looking for blossoms around the time of the fall blooming
sedums, why not try a tall variety of Aster. Just make sure that you
choose mildew-resistant varieties.
Terry

"Penny Morgan" wrote in message
.com...
Achillea x 'Coronation Gold' gets 24-36" tall. Has golden yellow
flowers
from late spring to summer with gray-green foliage. It's commonly known
as
Yarrow. Likes full sun (drought tolerant) and is good in zones 2-8.

Agastache x 'Blue Fortune' gets 40" tall. Blue-lavender flowers with
licorice scented leaves bloom from early spring throughout the summer.
'Tutti Frutti' gets 3-4' tall and has tubular pink flowers from
mid-summer
to frost. It has fragrant foliage that smells like tutti frutti. Both
are
good in zone 6-9 in full sun.

Baptisia australis "false indigo" - mid to late spring bloomer. Flowers
are
blue and mature fruit is black. Gets 36" tall and is good in zones 3-10
with full to part sun.

Baptisia pendula "white false indigo" has clusters of white pea like
flowers
that grow to 40" tall. Zone 3-10.

These are just a few perennials that could be used in front of the
grasses.
Don't forget Black Eyed Susans, Purple Coneflowers (Echinacea) and
Russian
Sage. Do a google on the plants listed and you can see what they look
like.

Good luck,

Penny
Zone 7b - North Carolina
"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
...
Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of
the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I
could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl
--
Cheryl Isaak
AHS Region 4, USDA Zone 4B/5A
growing, stitching and reading in NH

Don't you know that Asters aren't Sedum?


"Terry" wrote in message
om...
Hi Cheryl,
If you are looking for blossoms around the time of the fall blooming
sedums, why not try a tall variety of Aster. Just make sure that you
choose mildew-resistant varieties.
Terry

"Penny Morgan" wrote in message
.com...
Achillea x 'Coronation Gold' gets 24-36" tall. Has golden yellow
flowers
from late spring to summer with gray-green foliage. It's commonly known
as
Yarrow. Likes full sun (drought tolerant) and is good in zones 2-8.

Agastache x 'Blue Fortune' gets 40" tall. Blue-lavender flowers with
licorice scented leaves bloom from early spring throughout the summer.
'Tutti Frutti' gets 3-4' tall and has tubular pink flowers from
mid-summer
to frost. It has fragrant foliage that smells like tutti frutti. Both
are
good in zone 6-9 in full sun.

Baptisia australis "false indigo" - mid to late spring bloomer. Flowers
are
blue and mature fruit is black. Gets 36" tall and is good in zones 3-10
with full to part sun.

Baptisia pendula "white false indigo" has clusters of white pea like
flowers
that grow to 40" tall. Zone 3-10.

These are just a few perennials that could be used in front of the
grasses.
Don't forget Black Eyed Susans, Purple Coneflowers (Echinacea) and
Russian
Sage. Do a google on the plants listed and you can see what they look
like.

Good luck,

Penny
Zone 7b - North Carolina
"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
...
Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of
the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I
could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl
--
Cheryl Isaak
AHS Region 4, USDA Zone 4B/5A
growing, stitching and reading in NH

None of those are Sedum.
They are all deciduous perennials not shrubs.
None of them have the presence of a Sedum.

"Penny Morgan" wrote in message
. com...
Achillea x 'Coronation Gold' gets 24-36" tall. Has golden yellow flowers
from late spring to summer with gray-green foliage. It's commonly known
as
Yarrow. Likes full sun (drought tolerant) and is good in zones 2-8.

Agastache x 'Blue Fortune' gets 40" tall. Blue-lavender flowers with
licorice scented leaves bloom from early spring throughout the summer.
'Tutti Frutti' gets 3-4' tall and has tubular pink flowers from mid-summer
to frost. It has fragrant foliage that smells like tutti frutti. Both
are
good in zone 6-9 in full sun.

Baptisia australis "false indigo" - mid to late spring bloomer. Flowers
are
blue and mature fruit is black. Gets 36" tall and is good in zones 3-10
with full to part sun.

Baptisia pendula "white false indigo" has clusters of white pea like
flowers
that grow to 40" tall. Zone 3-10.

These are just a few perennials that could be used in front of the
grasses.
Don't forget Black Eyed Susans, Purple Coneflowers (Echinacea) and Russian
Sage. Do a google on the plants listed and you can see what they look
like.

Good luck,

Penny
Zone 7b - North Carolina
"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
...
Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of
the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I
could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl
--
Cheryl Isaak
AHS Region 4, USDA Zone 4B/5A
growing, stitching and reading in NH

None of those are Sedum.
They are all deciduous perennials not shrubs.
None of them have the presence of a Sedum.

"Penny Morgan" wrote in message
. com...
Achillea x 'Coronation Gold' gets 24-36" tall. Has golden yellow flowers
from late spring to summer with gray-green foliage. It's commonly known
as
Yarrow. Likes full sun (drought tolerant) and is good in zones 2-8.

Agastache x 'Blue Fortune' gets 40" tall. Blue-lavender flowers with
licorice scented leaves bloom from early spring throughout the summer.
'Tutti Frutti' gets 3-4' tall and has tubular pink flowers from mid-summer
to frost. It has fragrant foliage that smells like tutti frutti. Both
are
good in zone 6-9 in full sun.

Baptisia australis "false indigo" - mid to late spring bloomer. Flowers
are
blue and mature fruit is black. Gets 36" tall and is good in zones 3-10
with full to part sun.

Baptisia pendula "white false indigo" has clusters of white pea like
flowers
that grow to 40" tall. Zone 3-10.

These are just a few perennials that could be used in front of the
grasses.
Don't forget Black Eyed Susans, Purple Coneflowers (Echinacea) and Russian
Sage. Do a google on the plants listed and you can see what they look
like.

Good luck,

Penny
Zone 7b - North Carolina
"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
...
Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of
the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I
could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl
--
Cheryl Isaak
AHS Region 4, USDA Zone 4B/5A
growing, stitching and reading in NH

I grow most of those - the Achillea comes closest in terms of shape and a
hint of winter interest, but it just isn't tall enough. Agastache doesn't
survive here (the only people I know that have any luck with it either let
it reseed it self or it is sheltered).

I want TALL - 4 foot plus and some hint of four season interest -
interesting foliage, color, seed heads.

Thank you for you thoughts,
Cheryl

On 2/23/04 6:42 PM, in article
, "Penny Morgan"
wrote:

Achillea x 'Coronation Gold' gets 24-36" tall. Has golden yellow flowers
from late spring to summer with gray-green foliage. It's commonly known as
Yarrow. Likes full sun (drought tolerant) and is good in zones 2-8.

Agastache x 'Blue Fortune' gets 40" tall. Blue-lavender flowers with
licorice scented leaves bloom from early spring throughout the summer.
'Tutti Frutti' gets 3-4' tall and has tubular pink flowers from mid-summer
to frost. It has fragrant foliage that smells like tutti frutti. Both are
good in zone 6-9 in full sun.

Baptisia australis "false indigo" - mid to late spring bloomer. Flowers are
blue and mature fruit is black. Gets 36" tall and is good in zones 3-10
with full to part sun.

Baptisia pendula "white false indigo" has clusters of white pea like flowers
that grow to 40" tall. Zone 3-10.

These are just a few perennials that could be used in front of the grasses.
Don't forget Black Eyed Susans, Purple Coneflowers (Echinacea) and Russian
Sage. Do a google on the plants listed and you can see what they look like.

Good luck,

Penny
Zone 7b - North Carolina
"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
...
Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I
could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl
--
Cheryl Isaak
AHS Region 4, USDA Zone 4B/5A
growing, stitching and reading in NH

I grow most of those - the Achillea comes closest in terms of shape and a
hint of winter interest, but it just isn't tall enough. Agastache doesn't
survive here (the only people I know that have any luck with it either let
it reseed it self or it is sheltered).

I want TALL - 4 foot plus and some hint of four season interest -
interesting foliage, color, seed heads.

Thank you for you thoughts,
Cheryl

On 2/23/04 6:42 PM, in article
, "Penny Morgan"
wrote:

Achillea x 'Coronation Gold' gets 24-36" tall. Has golden yellow flowers
from late spring to summer with gray-green foliage. It's commonly known as
Yarrow. Likes full sun (drought tolerant) and is good in zones 2-8.

Agastache x 'Blue Fortune' gets 40" tall. Blue-lavender flowers with
licorice scented leaves bloom from early spring throughout the summer.
'Tutti Frutti' gets 3-4' tall and has tubular pink flowers from mid-summer
to frost. It has fragrant foliage that smells like tutti frutti. Both are
good in zone 6-9 in full sun.

Baptisia australis "false indigo" - mid to late spring bloomer. Flowers are
blue and mature fruit is black. Gets 36" tall and is good in zones 3-10
with full to part sun.

Baptisia pendula "white false indigo" has clusters of white pea like flowers
that grow to 40" tall. Zone 3-10.

These are just a few perennials that could be used in front of the grasses.
Don't forget Black Eyed Susans, Purple Coneflowers (Echinacea) and Russian
Sage. Do a google on the plants listed and you can see what they look like.

Good luck,

Penny
Zone 7b - North Carolina
"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
...
Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I
could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl
--
Cheryl Isaak
AHS Region 4, USDA Zone 4B/5A
growing, stitching and reading in NH

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:46:52 -0500, Cheryl Isaak wrote:

Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl


Piet Oudolf has a book "Gardening with Grasses" which has a good selection
of plants that go well with grasses. Depending on the height of the
grass, you might try Solidago "Fireworks" or Eupatorium "Chocolate" or
Aster "Lady in Black". If you don't need to go as high, try a combo of
things like Echinops and Knautia macedonica. Leucanthemum "Becky" works,
too. It's really up to you and what statement you wish to make.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:46:52 -0500, Cheryl Isaak wrote:

Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl


Piet Oudolf has a book "Gardening with Grasses" which has a good selection
of plants that go well with grasses. Depending on the height of the
grass, you might try Solidago "Fireworks" or Eupatorium "Chocolate" or
Aster "Lady in Black". If you don't need to go as high, try a combo of
things like Echinops and Knautia macedonica. Leucanthemum "Becky" works,
too. It's really up to you and what statement you wish to make.

"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
...
I grow most of those - the Achillea comes closest in terms of shape and a
hint of winter interest, but it just isn't tall enough. Agastache doesn't
survive here (the only people I know that have any luck with it either let
it reseed it self or it is sheltered).

I want TALL - 4 foot plus and some hint of four season interest -
interesting foliage, color, seed heads.

Thank you for you thoughts,
Cheryl

Cheryl, you are just not going to get a full 4 seasons of interest from a
perennial, unless it is an evergreen one and I can't think of any that would
reach the size you want. Certainly, some form of shrub could work for you,
but I'd consider a late season tall growing perennial. Rudbeckia maxima will
reach an impressive height and offers the same bright yellow coneflowers and
seedheads into autumn and winter that its shorter cousin does. Eupatorium
maculatum 'Gateway' is another good choce or any of the perennial sunflowers
or Helenium. All are great in combination with grasses and enjoy the same
conditions. All hardy to at least zone 4.

pam - gardengal

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:46:52 -0500, Cheryl Isaak wrote:

Does any one know of a tall sedum?

Not Autumn Joy or kin tall (for me around 24" max), but a true back of the
border sedum.

Or lacking a true sedum, something with the presence of a sedum that I could
use near my tall (6 foot plus) grasses.


Thanks all,

Cheryl


Piet Oudolf has a book "Gardening with Grasses" which has a good selection
of plants that go well with grasses. Depending on the height of the
grass, you might try Solidago "Fireworks" or Eupatorium "Chocolate" or
Aster "Lady in Black". If you don't need to go as high, try a combo of
things like Echinops and Knautia macedonica. Leucanthemum "Becky" works,
too. It's really up to you and what statement you wish to make.

"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
...
I grow most of those - the Achillea comes closest in terms of shape and a
hint of winter interest, but it just isn't tall enough. Agastache doesn't
survive here (the only people I know that have any luck with it either let
it reseed it self or it is sheltered).

I want TALL - 4 foot plus and some hint of four season interest -
interesting foliage, color, seed heads.

Thank you for you thoughts,
Cheryl

Cheryl, you are just not going to get a full 4 seasons of interest from a
perennial, unless it is an evergreen one and I can't think of any that would
reach the size you want. Certainly, some form of shrub could work for you,
but I'd consider a late season tall growing perennial. Rudbeckia maxima will
reach an impressive height and offers the same bright yellow coneflowers and
seedheads into autumn and winter that its shorter cousin does. Eupatorium
maculatum 'Gateway' is another good choce or any of the perennial sunflowers
or Helenium. All are great in combination with grasses and enjoy the same
conditions. All hardy to at least zone 4.

pam - gardengal

On 2/24/04 8:41 AM, in article MvI_b.380333$I06.4154991@attbi_s01, "Pam -
gardengal" wrote:


"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
...
I grow most of those - the Achillea comes closest in terms of shape and a
hint of winter interest, but it just isn't tall enough. Agastache doesn't
survive here (the only people I know that have any luck with it either let
it reseed it self or it is sheltered).

I want TALL - 4 foot plus and some hint of four season interest -
interesting foliage, color, seed heads.

Thank you for you thoughts,
Cheryl

Cheryl, you are just not going to get a full 4 seasons of interest from a
perennial, unless it is an evergreen one and I can't think of any that would
reach the size you want. Certainly, some form of shrub could work for you,
but I'd consider a late season tall growing perennial. Rudbeckia maxima will
reach an impressive height and offers the same bright yellow coneflowers and
seedheads into autumn and winter that its shorter cousin does. Eupatorium
maculatum 'Gateway' is another good choce or any of the perennial sunflowers
or Helenium. All are great in combination with grasses and enjoy the same
conditions. All hardy to at least zone 4.

pam - gardengal




One of the reasons I was looking for something "sedum-like" was I truly find
4 seasons of interest. In the spring, I love to see the "nest" of new shoots
and the color of the early growth. ( I know I only see this while cleaning
up, but it is an important joy.)

What I want most is a fall and winter statement. Seed heads, foliage and
something out of the ordinary.

I grow all of the above in your list - I love the Rudbeckia maxima, but not
for this spot. I have a "Chocolate" Eupatorium in the bed - it makes a nice
transition down to the coral bells which are nearly evergreen.



I know there was Sedum "Indian Chief" on the market at one time - it was
billed at 45 inches tall, but every time I got it, never got that tall.


Cheryl