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"Ray" wrote in message ...
I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. - theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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(theoneflasehaddock) wrote in message om...
Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. I didn't see a URL in your message, but I'm guessing you mean the relatively newly started "Wild Orchid Company" (www.wildorchidcompany.com) in which case, yes, all the evidence suggests he's quite legit. He spoke at one of my local OS's and has made the rounds of regional OS's to some extent, and appears to have contacts with a number of the older, perfecty reputable cyp nurseries. Most cyp nurseries seem to sell out very early in the season, so you can't really make any assumptions about how many plants might be available from a simple listing. And since this guy only started up a year or 2 ago, it stands to reason that his stock of art prop plants isn't as big as it will be when he's had a chance to grow out what he's got in flask and really get into the swing of a breeding program. MG |
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(theoneflasehaddock) wrote in message om...
Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. I didn't see a URL in your message, but I'm guessing you mean the relatively newly started "Wild Orchid Company" (www.wildorchidcompany.com) in which case, yes, all the evidence suggests he's quite legit. He spoke at one of my local OS's and has made the rounds of regional OS's to some extent, and appears to have contacts with a number of the older, perfecty reputable cyp nurseries. Most cyp nurseries seem to sell out very early in the season, so you can't really make any assumptions about how many plants might be available from a simple listing. And since this guy only started up a year or 2 ago, it stands to reason that his stock of art prop plants isn't as big as it will be when he's had a chance to grow out what he's got in flask and really get into the swing of a breeding program. MG |
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(theoneflasehaddock) wrote in message om...
Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. I didn't see a URL in your message, but I'm guessing you mean the relatively newly started "Wild Orchid Company" (www.wildorchidcompany.com) in which case, yes, all the evidence suggests he's quite legit. He spoke at one of my local OS's and has made the rounds of regional OS's to some extent, and appears to have contacts with a number of the older, perfecty reputable cyp nurseries. Most cyp nurseries seem to sell out very early in the season, so you can't really make any assumptions about how many plants might be available from a simple listing. And since this guy only started up a year or 2 ago, it stands to reason that his stock of art prop plants isn't as big as it will be when he's had a chance to grow out what he's got in flask and really get into the swing of a breeding program. MG |
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On 17 Mar 2004 06:46:32 -0800,
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. Turn them in to the governing body .. whoever they may be .. for investigation. Could it be they salvaged the original plants and raised more from them? Probably not, but it's a possibility. How many could there be left in the wild if they're "salvaging" enough to be advertising them all the time? Could it be a bait and switch deal? Any number of possible scenarios, but if you're suspicious, find out who would be the ones to do the investigation. Write to the company and ask how many they had available to sell. If it's a lot, well send that along to the governing body to investigate. Janice theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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On 17 Mar 2004 06:46:32 -0800,
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. Turn them in to the governing body .. whoever they may be .. for investigation. Could it be they salvaged the original plants and raised more from them? Probably not, but it's a possibility. How many could there be left in the wild if they're "salvaging" enough to be advertising them all the time? Could it be a bait and switch deal? Any number of possible scenarios, but if you're suspicious, find out who would be the ones to do the investigation. Write to the company and ask how many they had available to sell. If it's a lot, well send that along to the governing body to investigate. Janice theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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On 17 Mar 2004 06:46:32 -0800,
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. Turn them in to the governing body .. whoever they may be .. for investigation. Could it be they salvaged the original plants and raised more from them? Probably not, but it's a possibility. How many could there be left in the wild if they're "salvaging" enough to be advertising them all the time? Could it be a bait and switch deal? Any number of possible scenarios, but if you're suspicious, find out who would be the ones to do the investigation. Write to the company and ask how many they had available to sell. If it's a lot, well send that along to the governing body to investigate. Janice theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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On 17 Mar 2004 06:46:32 -0800,
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. Turn them in to the governing body .. whoever they may be .. for investigation. Could it be they salvaged the original plants and raised more from them? Probably not, but it's a possibility. How many could there be left in the wild if they're "salvaging" enough to be advertising them all the time? Could it be a bait and switch deal? Any number of possible scenarios, but if you're suspicious, find out who would be the ones to do the investigation. Write to the company and ask how many they had available to sell. If it's a lot, well send that along to the governing body to investigate. Janice theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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On 17 Mar 2004 06:46:32 -0800,
(theoneflasehaddock) wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. Turn them in to the governing body .. whoever they may be .. for investigation. Could it be they salvaged the original plants and raised more from them? Probably not, but it's a possibility. How many could there be left in the wild if they're "salvaging" enough to be advertising them all the time? Could it be a bait and switch deal? Any number of possible scenarios, but if you're suspicious, find out who would be the ones to do the investigation. Write to the company and ask how many they had available to sell. If it's a lot, well send that along to the governing body to investigate. Janice theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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You're kidding, right?
Having "documented salvage" plants does not mean that 100% of the stock is of that category. The gentleman who runs that nursery is VERY sensitive to maintaining natural populations - to the point of withholding the locations of the natural populations he's worked with. Any implication otherwise is either ignorant or trolling. I hope it's the former, as it at least implies no malicious intent. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "Janice" wrote in message ... On 17 Mar 2004 06:46:32 -0800, (theoneflasehaddock) wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. Turn them in to the governing body .. whoever they may be .. for investigation. Could it be they salvaged the original plants and raised more from them? Probably not, but it's a possibility. How many could there be left in the wild if they're "salvaging" enough to be advertising them all the time? Could it be a bait and switch deal? Any number of possible scenarios, but if you're suspicious, find out who would be the ones to do the investigation. Write to the company and ask how many they had available to sell. If it's a lot, well send that along to the governing body to investigate. Janice theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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Maybe I should also point out to those wishing to construe otherwise that
this nursery is working very hard to breed captive populations that 1) will reduce demand on the natural ones, and 2) actually replenish them! I wish ignorance was painful. It would be self-controlling. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "Ray" wrote in message ... You're kidding, right? Having "documented salvage" plants does not mean that 100% of the stock is of that category. The gentleman who runs that nursery is VERY sensitive to maintaining natural populations - to the point of withholding the locations of the natural populations he's worked with. Any implication otherwise is either ignorant or trolling. I hope it's the former, as it at least implies no malicious intent. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "Janice" wrote in message ... On 17 Mar 2004 06:46:32 -0800, (theoneflasehaddock) wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. Turn them in to the governing body .. whoever they may be .. for investigation. Could it be they salvaged the original plants and raised more from them? Probably not, but it's a possibility. How many could there be left in the wild if they're "salvaging" enough to be advertising them all the time? Could it be a bait and switch deal? Any number of possible scenarios, but if you're suspicious, find out who would be the ones to do the investigation. Write to the company and ask how many they had available to sell. If it's a lot, well send that along to the governing body to investigate. Janice theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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You're kidding, right?
Having "documented salvage" plants does not mean that 100% of the stock is of that category. The gentleman who runs that nursery is VERY sensitive to maintaining natural populations - to the point of withholding the locations of the natural populations he's worked with. Any implication otherwise is either ignorant or trolling. I hope it's the former, as it at least implies no malicious intent. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "Janice" wrote in message ... On 17 Mar 2004 06:46:32 -0800, (theoneflasehaddock) wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. Turn them in to the governing body .. whoever they may be .. for investigation. Could it be they salvaged the original plants and raised more from them? Probably not, but it's a possibility. How many could there be left in the wild if they're "salvaging" enough to be advertising them all the time? Could it be a bait and switch deal? Any number of possible scenarios, but if you're suspicious, find out who would be the ones to do the investigation. Write to the company and ask how many they had available to sell. If it's a lot, well send that along to the governing body to investigate. Janice theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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Maybe I should also point out to those wishing to construe otherwise that
this nursery is working very hard to breed captive populations that 1) will reduce demand on the natural ones, and 2) actually replenish them! I wish ignorance was painful. It would be self-controlling. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "Ray" wrote in message ... You're kidding, right? Having "documented salvage" plants does not mean that 100% of the stock is of that category. The gentleman who runs that nursery is VERY sensitive to maintaining natural populations - to the point of withholding the locations of the natural populations he's worked with. Any implication otherwise is either ignorant or trolling. I hope it's the former, as it at least implies no malicious intent. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "Janice" wrote in message ... On 17 Mar 2004 06:46:32 -0800, (theoneflasehaddock) wrote: "Ray" wrote in message ... I fully understand how having your place robbed would **** you off! I had some Cyps growing in my yard here in PA that did the same kind of walkabout. I still wonder where they go the shovels to dig themselves up. Here's a website from a company in PA that sells "documented salvage" Cypripediums. It seems highly suspicious they would have enough of "salvaged" plants to meet the demand for orders for three species. At the time I had first seen this link, they had much less of the other orchids listed, and were mostly cypripediums from "documented salvage". Just wondering as to your opinion if the site is legitimate and getting large numbers of Cypripediums somehow legally, or poachers. I've posted this on another forum, and found it posted on gardenweb, where people were discussing whether they thought it was poachers or not. I don't know if it is or isn't, but I believe it sounds suspicious. Turn them in to the governing body .. whoever they may be .. for investigation. Could it be they salvaged the original plants and raised more from them? Probably not, but it's a possibility. How many could there be left in the wild if they're "salvaging" enough to be advertising them all the time? Could it be a bait and switch deal? Any number of possible scenarios, but if you're suspicious, find out who would be the ones to do the investigation. Write to the company and ask how many they had available to sell. If it's a lot, well send that along to the governing body to investigate. Janice theoneflasehaddock -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:33:38 -0500, "Ray" wrote: That seems a little harsh. Do I detect a personal bone to pick? Just a touch, had a nice group of cow horn orchids on a piece of property that I enjoyed watching for years (South Floorida), until some sob came in at night and cleaned out the whole lot of them....I have no patience for unscrupulous wild collectors. Get permission, sample some and make clones whatever but don't strip mine an entire colony.... Rant Mode Off Ray... Dave |
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I have a small clump of cypripedium from a farm in New England hanging on
(just barely, I imagine) in the inland Northwest. The guy who gave it to me sent it when he was moving to the San Francisco Bay area, sure that he would never be able to buy any commercially, and was unsure that a clump would survive the climate of California. I have it in a shady bed, and I rake lots of leaves over it every fall - but I have read that it has complex symbiotic relationships with soil fungi, etc. so I know its survival here is iffy. I have had it now for 5 years. I will be checking in the next few weeks to see if it has survived this winter. There is no one who can fail to be enchanted by the sight of the precious little slippers when they open however. If it survives long enough - and maybe even spreads a little - there might be a tiny non-new England population to try to propagate from. |
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