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29-03-2004, 09:02 PM
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Train noise block
Hi --
I'm looking for recommendations for planting an evergreen noise block at the back of my daughter's property. She and her husband bought a house in NJ Zone 6 last year. There is a train that runs in back of their property, during the 'green' season the noise is minimal from the passing trains. But during the winter 'brown' season the noise is pronounced. I thought a break of evergreen trees/shrubs planted on their property line (or possibly even encroaching on the RR right-of-way buffer land) would help. I've picked out some from a mail-order catalogue: Colorado Blue Spruce -- Picea pungens glauca Thuja "Green Giant" -- American Arborvitae -- Thuja occidentalis 'American' Russian Olive -- Elaeagnus angustifolia Canadian Hemlock -- Douglas Fir -- Pseudotsuga taxifola Siberian Elm -- Christmas Holly -- Ilex Opaca hybrids Are there any in the above list that you would recommend? or stay away from? Any that will fill in faster than others? Should I be leary of the ones with no Latin name? Thanks in Advance, NJ/Z6 |
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29-03-2004, 09:32 PM
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1. What is there now, and will you be felling those trees to make this
screen? 2. With regard to rr right of way buffer: If the railroad people think that a tree is encroaching and/or might fall across the tracks, they'll drop it. So, plant accordingly. "Twobtold" wrote in message ... Colorado Blue Spruce -- Picea pungens glauca Lovely tree, slow growing, 'blueness' varies widely with regard to individual specimens and growing conditions. Good for zone 6. A whole wall of them might be a little much. Thuja "Green Giant" -- Very good choice. American Arborvitae -- Thuja occidentalis 'American' Another good choice, although as it ages a bit more ratty looking than the others. Russian Olive -- Elaeagnus angustifolia Deciduous, drought tolerant, the ones I have seen have been more shrubby than tree-like. How tall does your screen have to be? Canadian Hemlock -- Not a good choice if the sight is full sun. Also prone to wooly adelgid attacks and slow growing. Douglas Fir -- Pseudotsuga taxifola Very large choice, fine for this application IMHO. Siberian Elm -- Ulmus pumilla. Bleh. Trash tree. Avoid. Weak wood, prone to watersprouts. Deciduous. Christmas Holly -- Ilex Opaca hybrids Splendid. Slow growing however. Perhaps a mixture of a few of these trees might make for a more naturalistic screen rather than a monoculture. You've left out the quintessential evergreen screening tree, Leyland cypress, aka X CUPRESSOCYPARIS LEYLANDII, more recently renamed to x Cuprocyparis leylandii. Taxus x media 'Hicksii' is another good choice. Dave |
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29-03-2004, 10:02 PM
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On 3/29/04 3:42 PM, in article ,
"paghat" wrote: In article , (Twobtold) wrote: Hi -- I'm looking for recommendations for planting an evergreen noise block at the back of my daughter's property. She and her husband bought a house in NJ Zone 6 last year. There is a train that runs in back of their property, during the 'green' season the noise is minimal from the passing trains. But during the winter 'brown' season the noise is pronounced. They need about a four inch long sliver of wood from an evergreen cedar. Ram that deep into each ear. When we were looking for a house to buy about five years ago, we found a beauty, four bedroom, detached garage with complete workshop, a spare outbuilding big as a lot of peoples' homes, a nice chunk of property all around, for about one-fourth the usual going price -- we could've got a mortgage for a couple hundred a month. Just before we said out loud, "Why is this amazing place so cheap?" the train roared through, making sure to blow its whistle full blast so it wouldn't be mowing down the children children mashing pennies on the track. An even better place we found on Winslow.Several acres, big house, big barn, enclosed by woods, for a price some people would pay for a white trash double-wide. We really considered it, but were deeply puzzled why it had been on the market for a couple of years. We drove back without the real estate agent a couple days later to see if it was really the rural paradise it had seemed. And suddenly we knew why the realtor was so insistant on the timing of our previous arrival. She didn't want us checking out the place during the four hours each day that the Air Force buzzes the property. -paghat the ratgirl I had a dear friend who's husband insisted each and every home had to have a train passing on a regular basis. And my DS would love to have the Air Force buzzing around. Cheryl |
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30-03-2004, 03:02 AM
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In article , Cheryl Isaak
wrote: On 3/29/04 3:42 PM, in article , "paghat" wrote: In article , (Twobtold) wrote: Hi -- I'm looking for recommendations for planting an evergreen noise block at the back of my daughter's property. She and her husband bought a house in NJ Zone 6 last year. There is a train that runs in back of their property, during the 'green' season the noise is minimal from the passing trains. But during the winter 'brown' season the noise is pronounced. They need about a four inch long sliver of wood from an evergreen cedar. Ram that deep into each ear. When we were looking for a house to buy about five years ago, we found a beauty, four bedroom, detached garage with complete workshop, a spare outbuilding big as a lot of peoples' homes, a nice chunk of property all around, for about one-fourth the usual going price -- we could've got a mortgage for a couple hundred a month. Just before we said out loud, "Why is this amazing place so cheap?" the train roared through, making sure to blow its whistle full blast so it wouldn't be mowing down the children children mashing pennies on the track. An even better place we found on Winslow.Several acres, big house, big barn, enclosed by woods, for a price some people would pay for a white trash double-wide. We really considered it, but were deeply puzzled why it had been on the market for a couple of years. We drove back without the real estate agent a couple days later to see if it was really the rural paradise it had seemed. And suddenly we knew why the realtor was so insistant on the timing of our previous arrival. She didn't want us checking out the place during the four hours each day that the Air Force buzzes the property. -paghat the ratgirl I had a dear friend who's husband insisted each and every home had to have a train passing on a regular basis. And my DS would love to have the Air Force buzzing around. Cheryl Unimportant correction of location: The farm buzzed by the airforce was on Widbey Island, not Winslow. And only someone DEAF could have lived there, which is why it stayed on the market for two years at ultra-bargain price. As for a train, the sound of a train whistle in the distance can be lovely. Not right through a neighborhood with children at play. Even just standing safely to the side of the track can get your kid's head wacked off with a loose bailing wire -- so not pleasant even for the deaf. -paghat -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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30-03-2004, 04:02 AM
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On 3/29/04 8:54 PM, in article ,
"paghat" wrote: In article , Cheryl Isaak wrote: On 3/29/04 3:42 PM, in article , "paghat" wrote: In article , (Twobtold) wrote: Hi -- I'm looking for recommendations for planting an evergreen noise block at the back of my daughter's property. She and her husband bought a house in NJ Zone 6 last year. There is a train that runs in back of their property, during the 'green' season the noise is minimal from the passing trains. But during the winter 'brown' season the noise is pronounced. They need about a four inch long sliver of wood from an evergreen cedar. Ram that deep into each ear. When we were looking for a house to buy about five years ago, we found a beauty, four bedroom, detached garage with complete workshop, a spare outbuilding big as a lot of peoples' homes, a nice chunk of property all around, for about one-fourth the usual going price -- we could've got a mortgage for a couple hundred a month. Just before we said out loud, "Why is this amazing place so cheap?" the train roared through, making sure to blow its whistle full blast so it wouldn't be mowing down the children children mashing pennies on the track. An even better place we found on Winslow.Several acres, big house, big barn, enclosed by woods, for a price some people would pay for a white trash double-wide. We really considered it, but were deeply puzzled why it had been on the market for a couple of years. We drove back without the real estate agent a couple days later to see if it was really the rural paradise it had seemed. And suddenly we knew why the realtor was so insistant on the timing of our previous arrival. She didn't want us checking out the place during the four hours each day that the Air Force buzzes the property. -paghat the ratgirl I had a dear friend who's husband insisted each and every home had to have a train passing on a regular basis. And my DS would love to have the Air Force buzzing around. Cheryl Unimportant correction of location: The farm buzzed by the airforce was on Widbey Island, not Winslow. And only someone DEAF could have lived there, which is why it stayed on the market for two years at ultra-bargain price. As for a train, the sound of a train whistle in the distance can be lovely. Not right through a neighborhood with children at play. Even just standing safely to the side of the track can get your kid's head wacked off with a loose bailing wire -- so not pleasant even for the deaf. -paghat I agree with the train right in the backyard, but I still maintain, deaf or not, DS would love to to be buzzed on a regular basis. Cheryl |
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30-03-2004, 04:12 AM
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On 3/29/04 8:54 PM, in article ,
"paghat" wrote: In article , Cheryl Isaak wrote: On 3/29/04 3:42 PM, in article , "paghat" wrote: In article , (Twobtold) wrote: Hi -- I'm looking for recommendations for planting an evergreen noise block at the back of my daughter's property. She and her husband bought a house in NJ Zone 6 last year. There is a train that runs in back of their property, during the 'green' season the noise is minimal from the passing trains. But during the winter 'brown' season the noise is pronounced. They need about a four inch long sliver of wood from an evergreen cedar. Ram that deep into each ear. When we were looking for a house to buy about five years ago, we found a beauty, four bedroom, detached garage with complete workshop, a spare outbuilding big as a lot of peoples' homes, a nice chunk of property all around, for about one-fourth the usual going price -- we could've got a mortgage for a couple hundred a month. Just before we said out loud, "Why is this amazing place so cheap?" the train roared through, making sure to blow its whistle full blast so it wouldn't be mowing down the children children mashing pennies on the track. An even better place we found on Winslow.Several acres, big house, big barn, enclosed by woods, for a price some people would pay for a white trash double-wide. We really considered it, but were deeply puzzled why it had been on the market for a couple of years. We drove back without the real estate agent a couple days later to see if it was really the rural paradise it had seemed. And suddenly we knew why the realtor was so insistant on the timing of our previous arrival. She didn't want us checking out the place during the four hours each day that the Air Force buzzes the property. -paghat the ratgirl I had a dear friend who's husband insisted each and every home had to have a train passing on a regular basis. And my DS would love to have the Air Force buzzing around. Cheryl Unimportant correction of location: The farm buzzed by the airforce was on Widbey Island, not Winslow. And only someone DEAF could have lived there, which is why it stayed on the market for two years at ultra-bargain price. As for a train, the sound of a train whistle in the distance can be lovely. Not right through a neighborhood with children at play. Even just standing safely to the side of the track can get your kid's head wacked off with a loose bailing wire -- so not pleasant even for the deaf. -paghat I agree with the train right in the backyard, but I still maintain, deaf or not, DS would love to to be buzzed on a regular basis. Cheryl |
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30-03-2004, 07:32 AM
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30-03-2004, 08:02 AM
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(paghat)
They need about a four inch long sliver of wood from an evergreen cedar. Ram that deep into each ear. Think you've been drinking too much tea. When we were looking for a house to buy about five years ago, we found a beauty, four bedroom, detached garage with complete workshop, a spare outbuilding big as a lot of peoples' homes, a nice chunk of property all around, for about one-fourth the usual going price -- we could've got a mortgage for a couple hundred a month. Just before we said out loud, "Why is this amazing place so cheap?" the train roared through, making sure to blow its whistle full blast so it wouldn't be mowing down the children children mashing pennies on the track. The way you've planted on your present homestead you probably could have sheltered that property too. I still remember putting pennies on the tracks. That was 55 or 60 years ago. Now I walk into the garage and forget what I walked in there for. |
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30-03-2004, 08:32 AM
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Twobtold wrote:
Hi -- I'm looking for recommendations for planting an evergreen noise block at the back of my daughter's property. She and her husband bought a house in NJ Zone 6 last year. There is a train that runs in back of their property, during the 'green' season the noise is minimal from the passing trains. But during the winter 'brown' season the noise is pronounced. I thought a break of evergreen trees/shrubs planted on their property line (or possibly even encroaching on the RR right-of-way buffer land) would help. I've picked out some from a mail-order catalogue: Colorado Blue Spruce -- Picea pungens glauca Thuja "Green Giant" -- American Arborvitae -- Thuja occidentalis 'American' Russian Olive -- Elaeagnus angustifolia Canadian Hemlock -- Douglas Fir -- Pseudotsuga taxifola Siberian Elm -- Christmas Holly -- Ilex Opaca hybrids Are there any in the above list that you would recommend? or stay away from? Any that will fill in faster than others? Should I be leary of the ones with no Latin name? Thanks in Advance, NJ/Z6 Some good advice in the replies. Personally, I'd give my right arm to live next to a railroad. A screen...I'd remove screening materials...but then I'm a train buff gg. Railroads have weed control contractors that apply herbicide annually to control plant growth in the ROW. Plus rail grinder rail maintenance vehicles that maintain the "high iron" and have been known to set fire to adjacent weed and scrub via the sparks thrown. And lets not forget the railroad designers mantra "drainage, drainage, drainage" to ensure solid footing through diversion of surrounding water...sometimes into adjacent properties/areas where its not wanted or affecting local soil conditions. Plant existance in or along a rail ROW can be a challenging place to take up residence. Do NOT plant IN the ROW; its not your property and the railroad legal eagles frown on trespassing as well as disturbing the roadbed they work so hard to maintain; your work would be removed, money wasted or worse. I don't know the exact layout and lay of your land but I'd do a mix of fast and slow growing evergreen trees and shrubs. Maybe plant a line of leyland cypress to get a screen up and growing fast, supplemented by slower/longer lasting eastern red cedar and American holly (whereyou may be able to obtain from reforestation nurseries to keep costs down) and the like. Around here and further south southern bayberry (Myrica cerifera) is semi to evergreen and grows large shrub/small tree size. Northern bayberry is also good for colder climes at filling in the nooks and crannies. The leylands will do their job while the cedar and holly establish, afterwhich when they become a useful size the leylands will likely be ready to be blown over, attacked by bagworms or the stand can be thinned. Big yews and chinense juniper varieties can also have a place here. Maybe travel through some other neighborhoods to see what other folks have growing, and maybe working, so you don't have to reinvent the wheel and what performs in your area? Pat in coastal Maryland |
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30-03-2004, 03:15 PM
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"paghat" wrote in message news 
Unimportant correction of location: The farm buzzed by the airforce was on Widbey Island, not Winslow. If it was on Whidbey it was not buzzed by the Air Force. Navy, maybe, but not Air Force. |
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30-03-2004, 06:03 PM
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In article , "Speed Racer" . wrote:
"paghat" wrote in message news
Unimportant correction of location: The farm buzzed by the airforce was on Widbey Island, not Winslow. If it was on Whidbey it was not buzzed by the Air Force. Navy, maybe, but not Air Force. Ah yes, quite right, Whidbey Island NAVAL Air Station. When one looks up & sees zooming jets screaming out of hell, it's hard to remember, "Looky, sailors!" In Pentagon-Speak, mind-numbing jet-noise is "the sound of freedom," a phrase the locals use as a preface to hocking a loogy. Maximum-rackety afterburner-assisted scrambles & mock aereal combat, reliably through the day, but frequently until 1:15 in the morning, has destroyed farms & families, & bankrupted landowners. It causes cows to stop milking, & horses to have nervous heart failure, & dogs to run off into the woods never to return, & campers & visitors to the advertised-as-beautiful state parks to realize they never want to spend tourist dollars in that screaming hell-hole again, & wetlands birds to stop breeding, & noise-stressed husbands to beat the living daylights out of their wives, & sleep-deprived mothers to beat the living daylights out of their kids, & stammering abused children to fail in school.... Lovely nature walks to the sound of jet noise. Beach-combing to the sound of jet noise. Jet noise day & night the one pervasive reality for civilians, plus the base has been called "one of the most polluting in the nation" as excess jet fuel is always dumped into the air before landings. But on the up-side, whale watchers can TOUCH the whales if they want -- washed up on the beaches, killed by sonar testing. It's all okay though cuz it's the sound of freedom, in a world where "peace" is redefined as "never a moment's." And since the dive-bombing is predictable, real estate agents can happily arrange to show depressed-value properties during the hours that give the incorrect illusion of rural paradise, & hornswoggle city slickers into thinking they purchased ten acres in heaven, of which they will be disabused when the ink is dry. At least they can say it's no different than living in a Landing Pattern at SeaTac International Airport except you can go crazy on a farm instead of in a trailer house. Whidby Island Air Attack of Vacation Campers: http://old.mbconf.ca/mb/mbh3720/moore.htm "There was no use going to bed with this noise. We read, played some table games, and read some more. Finally, at 12:30 a.m. the noise stopped. Quiet. Peace. How thankful we were for it!" -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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30-03-2004, 10:35 PM
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".............. jets screaming out of hell ......."
We used to live close to an oil refinery and in the mid 70's we used to get 5 or 6 flights of 7 fighters on practice runs using us as a turning point both on outward and return legs of their flights. Then with problems in the Middle east fuel prices went up around 500% in just over a year and have never stopped rising, Petrol (Gas) now costs us around 79p ($1.44) per Litre. The result we now see about 1 plane a couple of times a month. The moral is that when fuel costs are low no one thinks twice about wasting it, but there comes a time when costs are just to much for the tax payer to put up with, but whilst low fuel costs remain a sacred cow protected by all politicians then there is a price to pay. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
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30-03-2004, 10:43 PM
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".............. jets screaming out of hell ......."
We used to live close to an oil refinery and in the mid 70's we used to get 5 or 6 flights of 7 fighters on practice runs using us as a turning point both on outward and return legs of their flights. Then with problems in the Middle east fuel prices went up around 500% in just over a year and have never stopped rising, Petrol (Gas) now costs us around 79p ($1.44) per Litre. The result we now see about 1 plane a couple of times a month. The moral is that when fuel costs are low no one thinks twice about wasting it, but there comes a time when costs are just to much for the tax payer to put up with, but whilst low fuel costs remain a sacred cow protected by all politicians then there is a price to pay. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
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