I had the same thought the other day of voting straight party democrat. I
fluctuate between Bush is going to win and our country will suffer circumstances
we'll never recover from; to Kerry will win in a landslide because of all the
new voters, young voters, etc, who are probably not counted in these idiotic
polls.

The whole shit stinks. The Catholic is passing out booklets telling their
parishioners how to vote according to Christ. Where's my book apologizing for
the thousand priests (give or take) who have been convicted, caught, or indicted
for raping children? Ya, I didn't think so.

v


On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:02:21 -0700, (paghat)
opined:

Put my ballot in the mail today. In the past I've gotten a bit weirded out
voting before most everyone else, but what needed to be done this time was
so obvious, if galling, that I just did the "all democrats" thing with the
realization that if that doesn't work, things will only get worse, whereas
if it does work, things may merely stay just as bad.

On our ballot the only well-represented third-party is Libertarians. About
two out of every three of their basic ideas aren't all that nutty, but
when they're wrong, hooboy are they off the deep end nuts. If they ever
had an ounce of power they promise to give the national forests away to
big business who will of course be excellent guardians of the resources
for everyone. And the moon is made of cheese. A civil libertarian myself,
it annoys me that the word has become increasingly associated with these
crackpots.

The Greens weren't well represented on the ballot & the Green presidential
candidate is such a screw-loose dipshit anyway; yesterday I heard him
actually promising in his swishy Sylvester lisp, "We will fightth for the
rightth of animalth and plantth." Well good for you buster, but I'm afraid
the plants might outwit you, & by the way, you're embarrassing to
environmentalists. Or how about voting Nader -- that'd be like voting for
a pot of moldy beans & then when you sit down to eat, surprise surprise,
it's still moldy beans. Besides, he still owes me the $20 he stole from
me.

Constitution party? Is there slogan on women's rights still, "Barefoot &
Pregnant & In the Kitchen!" They make crazy-right Bush look like a
moderate. They're such fundamentalist twits with zero sense of history,
talking about some alternate-world wherein founding fathers weren't Deists
& Masons after all, but Baptists, & they're not joking, they really
believe their crap is sweet. The Constitution Party makes me miss the
Northwest Rhinocerous Party which ran on platforms of party hats & moon
colonies & a tiddly-wink in every pot, which made ever so much more
logical sense. So while in past years I've liked to vote for the
occasional third party, this year there wouldn't've been any non-loony
choices anyhow.

-paghat the ratgirl






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"escapee" wrote in message
...
I had the same thought the other day of voting straight party democrat. I
fluctuate between Bush is going to win and our country will suffer
circumstances
we'll never recover from; to Kerry will win in a landslide because of all
the
new voters, young voters, etc, who are probably not counted in these
idiotic
polls.

The whole shit stinks. The Catholic is passing out booklets telling their
parishioners how to vote according to Christ. Where's my book apologizing
for
the thousand priests (give or take) who have been convicted, caught, or
indicted
for raping children? Ya, I didn't think so.

Those priests did it for god. Now, pull down your pants while I go get the
ruler.

I have already decided that if Kerry doesnt win I am going to stop spending any money
for anything except absolute necessities. I am going to keep my money under the
cushions, not in the bank. I will encourage everyone in this country to simply go on
strike against the wealthy corporations who have bought the politicians. Ingrid

escapee wrote:
I had the same thought the other day of voting straight party democrat. I
fluctuate between Bush is going to win and our country will suffer circumstances
we'll never recover from; to Kerry will win in a landslide because of all the
new voters, young voters, etc, who are probably not counted in these idiotic
polls.


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wrote in message
...
I have already decided that if Kerry doesnt win I am going to stop
spending any money
for anything except absolute necessities. I am going to keep my money
under the
cushions, not in the bank. I will encourage everyone in this country to
simply go on
strike against the wealthy corporations who have bought the politicians.
Ingrid


I would be happy to buy you a ticket to Havana or Peking, your choice.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:02:13 -0400, "Hank Snatch"
opined:


wrote in message
...
I have already decided that if Kerry doesnt win I am going to stop
spending any money
for anything except absolute necessities. I am going to keep my money
under the
cushions, not in the bank. I will encourage everyone in this country to
simply go on
strike against the wealthy corporations who have bought the politicians.
Ingrid



I would be happy to buy you a ticket to Havana or Peking, your choice.


This is not the point. Nobody is saying this is not a great country. However,
the current administration is turning it into a shit heap with the rest of the
world. We are more hated now than ever, especially by terrorists. Good going,
Geo.

I know someone who recently bought land in Costa Rica and the sound of having
monkeys in my trees and waterfalls in my yard is starting to sound better and
better to me.





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I am DAR .. long line of rebels. Ingrid

"Hank Snatch" wrote:


wrote in message
...
I have already decided that if Kerry doesnt win I am going to stop
spending any money
for anything except absolute necessities. I am going to keep my money
under the
cushions, not in the bank. I will encourage everyone in this country to
simply go on
strike against the wealthy corporations who have bought the politicians.
Ingrid


I would be happy to buy you a ticket to Havana or Peking, your choice.




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In article , "Hank Snatch"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
I have already decided that if Kerry doesnt win I am going to stop
spending any money
for anything except absolute necessities. I am going to keep my money
under the
cushions, not in the bank. I will encourage everyone in this country to
simply go on
strike against the wealthy corporations who have bought the politicians.
Ingrid


I would be happy to buy you a ticket to Havana or Peking, your choice.

I'll take the ticket to Peking! If you're only offering one-way tickets
I'll buy my own to get back. If you're only buying it for who you'd
falsely assess as antiAmerican, well hey, for the vacation I'll play:
AMERICA SUCKS. Now send me that ticket. Hoohoo! I'm going to China!

-paghat the ratgirl

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Good idea, but not practical. In a perfect world I'd grow all my own food, only
eat in season, never take a drug for anything, live in the boondocks. In the
real world, I shop at the grocery store, take medication when needed, grow what
I can.

I am pretty ****ed off about the whole prescription drug thing with Canada. Why
is it WE can make the drugs, export them out to Canada, but they can't import
them back because they could be sub-standard? Are we selling sub-standard drugs
to Canada?




On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:50:14 GMT, opined:

I have already decided that if Kerry doesnt win I am going to stop spending any money
for anything except absolute necessities. I am going to keep my money under the
cushions, not in the bank. I will encourage everyone in this country to simply go on
strike against the wealthy corporations who have bought the politicians. Ingrid

escapee wrote:
I had the same thought the other day of voting straight party democrat. I
fluctuate between Bush is going to win and our country will suffer circumstances
we'll never recover from; to Kerry will win in a landslide because of all the
new voters, young voters, etc, who are probably not counted in these idiotic
polls.


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but we have quite a bit of disposable income. we go out to eat, I buy stuff on ebay
all the time, etc. we would just stop buying anything EXCEPT necessities. I mean it
would only be for 4 years. I think I got enough fur coats, boots, etc to last that
long. Got enough furniture. The problem as I see it is that the very wealthiest
people and companies are buying more and more of our elections every year. I think
if a significant number of people just stopped buying everything but the necessities
for a while it may put a dent in the amount of money they can dump on "their"
candidates. OTOH, maybe I should just take all my disposable income and only buy
stuff made by Democrats.
the whole reimportation from Canada is bullshit. production of many if not most
drugs is out sourced to other countries already, that is why we are coming up short
on flu vaccine.
I find it unbelievable that W insist he is protecting Americans from sub-standard
drugs from Canada and then in the next breath says we are working with Canadians to
get flu vaccine from them.
INgrid

escapee wrote:

Good idea, but not practical. In a perfect world I'd grow all my own food, only
eat in season, never take a drug for anything, live in the boondocks. In the
real world, I shop at the grocery store, take medication when needed, grow what
I can.

I am pretty ****ed off about the whole prescription drug thing with Canada. Why
is it WE can make the drugs, export them out to Canada, but they can't import
them back because they could be sub-standard? Are we selling sub-standard drugs
to Canada?




On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:50:14 GMT, opined:

I have already decided that if Kerry doesnt win I am going to stop spending any money
for anything except absolute necessities. I am going to keep my money under the
cushions, not in the bank. I will encourage everyone in this country to simply go on
strike against the wealthy corporations who have bought the politicians. Ingrid

escapee wrote:
I had the same thought the other day of voting straight party democrat. I
fluctuate between Bush is going to win and our country will suffer circumstances
we'll never recover from; to Kerry will win in a landslide because of all the
new voters, young voters, etc, who are probably not counted in these idiotic
polls.


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In article ,
wrote:

but we have quite a bit of disposable income. we go out to eat, I buy
stuff on ebay
all the time, etc. we would just stop buying anything EXCEPT
necessities. I mean it
would only be for 4 years. I think I got enough fur coats, boots, etc
to last that
long. Got enough furniture. The problem as I see it is that the very
wealthiest
people and companies are buying more and more of our elections every
year. I think
if a significant number of people just stopped buying everything but the
necessities
for a while it may put a dent in the amount of money they can dump on "their"
candidates. OTOH, maybe I should just take all my disposable income and
only buy
stuff made by Democrats.
the whole reimportation from Canada is bullshit. production of many if
not most
drugs is out sourced to other countries already, that is why we are
coming up short
on flu vaccine.
I find it unbelievable that W insist he is protecting Americans from
sub-standard
drugs from Canada and then in the next breath says we are working with
Canadians to
get flu vaccine from them.
INgrid

If you go four years as a minimalist consumer you may find you're
healthier & prefer living without the clutter, so will continue the habit
for life. There's much to be said for minimal consumerism because
Americans tend to use up the world's resources hundreds of times faster
than in many other countries, & we have very little to show for it beyond
exposure to more carcinogens, fat asses, & an accumulation of pricy junk
we scarsely even look at a second time.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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Ingrid, it's a deal. I promise to really put my mind to it. No buying outside
of necessities. I can't promise four years, but I can promise one month at a
time. More feasible for me that way. I know you're right, but it's not as easy
as it sounds. If I never bought another thing outside of necessities I have way
more than I ever thought I'd have, so it's not really a big stretch to not buy
things. I'm also making my own clothes, lately.

V


On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:45:53 GMT, opined:

but we have quite a bit of disposable income. we go out to eat, I buy stuff on ebay
all the time, etc. we would just stop buying anything EXCEPT necessities. I mean it
would only be for 4 years. I think I got enough fur coats, boots, etc to last that
long. Got enough furniture. The problem as I see it is that the very wealthiest
people and companies are buying more and more of our elections every year. I think
if a significant number of people just stopped buying everything but the necessities
for a while it may put a dent in the amount of money they can dump on "their"
candidates. OTOH, maybe I should just take all my disposable income and only buy
stuff made by Democrats.
the whole reimportation from Canada is bullshit. production of many if not most
drugs is out sourced to other countries already, that is why we are coming up short
on flu vaccine.
I find it unbelievable that W insist he is protecting Americans from sub-standard
drugs from Canada and then in the next breath says we are working with Canadians to
get flu vaccine from them.
INgrid

escapee wrote:

Good idea, but not practical. In a perfect world I'd grow all my own food, only
eat in season, never take a drug for anything, live in the boondocks. In the
real world, I shop at the grocery store, take medication when needed, grow what
I can.

I am pretty ****ed off about the whole prescription drug thing with Canada. Why
is it WE can make the drugs, export them out to Canada, but they can't import
them back because they could be sub-standard? Are we selling sub-standard drugs
to Canada?




On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:50:14 GMT, opined:

I have already decided that if Kerry doesnt win I am going to stop spending any money
for anything except absolute necessities. I am going to keep my money under the
cushions, not in the bank. I will encourage everyone in this country to simply go on
strike against the wealthy corporations who have bought the politicians. Ingrid

escapee wrote:
I had the same thought the other day of voting straight party democrat. I
fluctuate between Bush is going to win and our country will suffer circumstances
we'll never recover from; to Kerry will win in a landslide because of all the
new voters, young voters, etc, who are probably not counted in these idiotic
polls.


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In article says...
The whole shit stinks. The Catholic is passing out booklets telling their
parishioners how to vote according to Christ.

Actually this is illegal. According to their non-profit, tax exempt
status, the Catholic church or any church can't campaign for any
candidate.

--
Nixon hated running for president during football season, but he did
it anyway. Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised
everything he stood for -- but if he were running for president this
year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him.
-- Hunter S. Thompson http://tinyurl.com/3smr2

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:46:17 -0500, Mark Anderson
opined:

In article says...
The whole shit stinks. The Catholic is passing out booklets telling their
parishioners how to vote according to Christ.

Actually this is illegal. According to their non-profit, tax exempt
status, the Catholic church or any church can't campaign for any
candidate.

They do it in a sneaky way. They list out several things which a Catholic must
consider when voting. Abortion, for example. They tell the parishioners they
must not vote for anyone who is pro-choice. That is one I can think of. There
are others which guilt them into not thinking for themselves and people who are
ignorant, like my mother in law, will follow into the fire.

I'm off to vote for the man who will sign off on stem cell research, and
pro-choice. I'm voting for the man who will consider the world view when acting
in an International way. I'm voting for the better of the two. I AM of the
belief "anybody but bush," but I also truly think Kerry will make a better
president.





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Why do you want a traitor for President?? If the Swifty's are lying about
Kerry why doesn't he take them to court and sue them for slander and
defamation of character?? I'm sure the Swifty's would love to get him in
court and have him prove that they are telling lies about him.


"escapee" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:46:17 -0500, Mark Anderson

opined:

In article says...
The whole shit stinks. The Catholic is passing out booklets telling
their
parishioners how to vote according to Christ.

Actually this is illegal. According to their non-profit, tax exempt
status, the Catholic church or any church can't campaign for any
candidate.

They do it in a sneaky way. They list out several things which a Catholic
must
consider when voting. Abortion, for example. They tell the parishioners
they
must not vote for anyone who is pro-choice. That is one I can think of.
There
are others which guilt them into not thinking for themselves and people
who are
ignorant, like my mother in law, will follow into the fire.

I'm off to vote for the man who will sign off on stem cell research, and
pro-choice. I'm voting for the man who will consider the world view when
acting
in an International way. I'm voting for the better of the two. I AM of
the
belief "anybody but bush," but I also truly think Kerry will make a better
president.





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A traitor? Why, because he spoke out against the men who were in the war doing
their crimes to humanity? What was he a traitor on? I'd prefer him to a man who
never made anything work unless his father bought the win. The Bush family goes
back many years, many of those full of lies, deceit and tons of money changing
hands. Bush was AWOL. Not one person has come forward to say they served with
him during the time he was AWOL on the campaign trail for daddy.

I give no time to who you call "the Swifty's." Maybe you are not up to date on
your information, but they were proven wrong a while ago.



On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:30:03 GMT, "Tom" opined:

Why do you want a traitor for President?? If the Swifty's are lying about
Kerry why doesn't he take them to court and sue them for slander and
defamation of character?? I'm sure the Swifty's would love to get him in
court and have him prove that they are telling lies about him.


"escapee" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:46:17 -0500, Mark Anderson

opined:

In article says...
The whole shit stinks. The Catholic is passing out booklets telling
their
parishioners how to vote according to Christ.

Actually this is illegal. According to their non-profit, tax exempt
status, the Catholic church or any church can't campaign for any
candidate.

They do it in a sneaky way. They list out several things which a Catholic
must
consider when voting. Abortion, for example. They tell the parishioners
they
must not vote for anyone who is pro-choice. That is one I can think of.
There
are others which guilt them into not thinking for themselves and people
who are
ignorant, like my mother in law, will follow into the fire.

I'm off to vote for the man who will sign off on stem cell research, and
pro-choice. I'm voting for the man who will consider the world view when
acting
in an International way. I'm voting for the better of the two. I AM of
the
belief "anybody but bush," but I also truly think Kerry will make a better
president.





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