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In article , (Roger Pearse) wrote: (paghat) wrote in message ... In article , (Roger Pearse) wrote: Larry Blanchard wrote in message ... In article , says... A devottee of a single Christian sect remains so by being blind to & rejecting the full range of belief. I do not claim to be an authority, though, just have a deeper interest than dunderheads who blame their prejudices & sillier observations on their religion, when they obviously learned only enough about faith to justify hating whatever they already hated. Bring back Mithras! It's all a bunch of bull anyway :-). Sorry, couldn't resist that one :-). Glad to see someone else can see the possibilities. "Get rid of the bull, with Mithras" All the best, Roger Pearse Mithras is just another resurrected divinity like Tamuz and Jesus. A rose by any other name is still just a fertility daemon worshipped as god. so Mithras worship is still very much with us. Nothing wrong with that, only whimsical that modern Mithras-Tamuz-Jesus worshippers think there's a difference. Your statements about the cult of Mithras are imaginary. Mithras was not resurrected. All the best, Roger Pearse You must have a corrupt perhaps christian reference book that doesn't like to admit these savior-myths are all pretty much the same myth. Actually I don't trust reference books on matters of controversy. I always go to the ancient sources directly. In fact I grew tired of vague statements about Mithras quite some time ago, and wondered how to find out from primary sources what was known about him, and what was modern imagination (I'm currently doing the same for Sol Invictus). So what I did was search out every ancient mention of him in ancient literature, compile them all onto a website, and see what they said. I gather there are also a lot of inscriptions, but these all say things like "Marcus dedicates this shrine to Mithras". The collected testimonies are at http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/mithras. If someone says something, and it isn't in that collection, and there is no specific reference to an ancient source for the statement, then it is fairly safe to presume it is bogus. Some Christian references falsely state that Mithraism post-dates Christianity, I learn from Prof. Clauss' book on the subject that there is no evidence, archaeological or literary, for the worship of Mithras before around 80AD. to explain the similarities; others leave out the resurrection myth in order to cloud the similarities. There is no ancient evidence of such a myth associated with Mithras, as far as I know. If you know different, by all means provide the literary source. The Christian claims that their "mysteries" predate Mithras started while Mithraism was still spreading out of Persia along Roman roads, The Roman cult of Mithras is not thought to be the same as the ancient Persian worship of Mithra, not least because of all those subterranean temples with the image of Mithras in them, the most characteristic sign of Mithraism. But not a single one of these has been found in Persia. Therefore it cannot be a cult originating in Persia! All the earliest inscriptions show a connection with the city of Rome, he says. & continues to this day, Interested that worship in subterranean Mithraea is extant today in continuous line. But I don't know of this -- what is the source for this unlikely-sounding idea? So Plutarch's statement that Roman Mithraism was introduced by soldiers returning from Persia Plutarch does not state that Mithraism was introduced into Rome by Pompey's soldiers: "There were of these corsairs above one thousand sail, and they had taken no less than four hundred cities, committing sacrilege upon the temples of the gods, and enriching themselves with the spoils of many never violated before, such as were those of Claros, Didyma, and Samothrace; and the temple of the Earth in Hermione, and that of Aesculapius in Epidaurus, those of Neptune at the Isthmus, at Taenarus, and at Calauria; those of Apollo at Actium and Leucas, and those of Juno in Samos, at Argos, and at Lacinium. They themselves offered strange sacrifices upon Mount Olympus, and performed certain secret rites or religious mysteries, among which those of Mithras have been preserved to our own time having received their previous institution from them." (Life of Pompey 24:5/632cd). [long snip of assertions] Pardon me if I don't comment in detail on these. You see, all the assertions made are undocumented from ancient sources, and must therefore be considered dubious. May I ask what your source is for this? -- it sounds like something you found in a book? Unfortunately on matters of this sort there are authors out there who will exploit anti-Christian feeling by selling fairy-stories of this sort to those who'd like to believe them. "The Holy blood and the Holy Grail" comes to mind. The only way to avoid these people is to check every statement and not state as fact that which one has not checked for oneself. Luckily more and more of the ancient sources are online in English, so it is often easier to check than it has ever been. Not all of us have a huge library on-hand and loads of spare time! I hope that's helpful. All the best, Roger Pearse |
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Roger Pearse wrote: [long snip of assertions]
Pardon me if I don't comment in detail on these. You see, all the assertions made are undocumented from ancient sources, and must therefore be considered dubious. You have just described the Bible. |
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