"Ann" wrote in message
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"Vox Humana" expounded:

How would you have felt if you needed to sell your house while the
neighbors
had a virtual junkyard? I don't mean WANT to sell, but NEED to sell.
What
if, due to the trashy neighbors, you found that there were few people
interested in looking let alone making an offer?

Well, obviously there are people out there who don't care - like me -
who will buy a house because they like the house. I'd appreciate
those kind of neighbors, that shows they'll keep their noses in their
own business and not mind mine. I don't see it as a huge hinderance.

The offers you do get are
low-balls. That is a situation where it does become your business
because
the junk reduces your property value or makes your house impossible to
sell.

You are completely ignoring what I initially said - I did buy a house
with a messy yard next door. The people who were selling this house
NEEDED to sell it, and I bought it. And there were other offers on
the very same house. So, I guess that shoots a few holes into your
argument.

If you're so worried about other people's homes, then you belong in a
nice managed neighborhood. Please stay there, and don't move next
door to me, trying to tell me how to live my life. I promise I won't
move next door to you and try to run yours.


I'm just pointing out that in a free market, when you reduce demand you also
reduce the value. Reducing demand doesn't mean that there is no demand
although it could, and the timing of the sale could be critical. Also, just
because you can find an exception to a rule, it doesn't dismiss the concept.
Every neighbor that sells, no matter how slovenly, has magically decided to
clean-up their place. The door gets painted. The trim gets painted.
Flowers are planted. The windows are washed. The yard is mowed and
trimmed. Funny how people who don't give a damn for 5 years suddenly "get
it" when they decide to sell. Do you suppose it is because it increases the
value of their house or is it due to some unexplained compulsion to clean
and paint?

As for moving next to you, it would be the last thing I would ever consider.
I'm not worried about the homes of others. I just don't want inconsiderate
slobs, people operating meth labs, or acid-rock band rehearsals in my
neighborhood. I would be perfectly content if these things occurred in your
neighborhood because even slobs and drug deals have to live somewhere. I
suspect that you would be a hideous neighbor, bitching about everything
bothered you. I would laugh if a pig farm moved next to you. Remember, you
don't pay the mortgage or taxes so the stench would be none of your
business. One man's stench is another's junk yard. Enjoy.

"Vox Humana" expounded:

As for moving next to you, it would be the last thing I would ever consider.
I'm not worried about the homes of others. I just don't want inconsiderate
slobs, people operating meth labs, or acid-rock band rehearsals in my
neighborhood. I would be perfectly content if these things occurred in your
neighborhood because even slobs and drug deals have to live somewhere. I
suspect that you would be a hideous neighbor, bitching about everything
bothered you. I would laugh if a pig farm moved next to you. Remember, you
don't pay the mortgage or taxes so the stench would be none of your
business. One man's stench is another's junk yard. Enjoy.

Meth labs. Inconsiderate slobs. Nice. You are another one who
resorts to insults when you're losing your argument. I hope you learn
to be more tolerant of those who have different views than you do.
But I'm pretty sure you're incapable of it.
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
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"Ann" wrote in message
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"Vox Humana" expounded:

As for moving next to you, it would be the last thing I would ever
consider.
I'm not worried about the homes of others. I just don't want
inconsiderate
slobs, people operating meth labs, or acid-rock band rehearsals in my
neighborhood. I would be perfectly content if these things occurred in
your
neighborhood because even slobs and drug deals have to live somewhere. I
suspect that you would be a hideous neighbor, bitching about everything
bothered you. I would laugh if a pig farm moved next to you. Remember,
you
don't pay the mortgage or taxes so the stench would be none of your
business. One man's stench is another's junk yard. Enjoy.

Meth labs. Inconsiderate slobs. Nice. You are another one who
resorts to insults when you're losing your argument. I hope you learn
to be more tolerant of those who have different views than you do.
But I'm pretty sure you're incapable of it.
--

That's rich coming from YOU.

No, meth labs, drug dealing, strolling prostitutes, and bums hitting the
streets when the liquor stores opens at 8::00 are a reality in many areas
where people also LOVE their homes. So then what?

Suzy O

"Ann" wrote in message
...
"Vox Humana" expounded:

As for moving next to you, it would be the last thing I would ever
consider.
I'm not worried about the homes of others. I just don't want
inconsiderate
slobs, people operating meth labs, or acid-rock band rehearsals in my
neighborhood. I would be perfectly content if these things occurred in
your
neighborhood because even slobs and drug deals have to live somewhere. I
suspect that you would be a hideous neighbor, bitching about everything
bothered you. I would laugh if a pig farm moved next to you. Remember,
you
don't pay the mortgage or taxes so the stench would be none of your
business. One man's stench is another's junk yard. Enjoy.

Meth labs. Inconsiderate slobs. Nice. You are another one who
resorts to insults when you're losing your argument. I hope you learn
to be more tolerant of those who have different views than you do.
But I'm pretty sure you're incapable of it.
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

"Suzy O" expounded:

No, meth labs, drug dealing, strolling prostitutes, and bums hitting the
streets when the liquor stores opens at 8::00 are a reality in many areas
where people also LOVE their homes. So then what?

Ask Vox Humana, she's the one who brought that up.
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

"Suzy O" wrote in message
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No, meth labs, drug dealing, strolling prostitutes, and bums hitting the
streets when the liquor stores opens at 8::00 are a reality in many areas
where people also LOVE their homes. So then what?



Sounds like time for the neighbors to organize and drive out the crime.

You think we haven't tried? Duh. For cripes sakes, we've been here 10+
years, and organized and worked with the po-lice time and again. The
reality: if we were in the more fashionable neighborhood 3 or 4 blocks
away, we'd have cops crawling all over the place. But this mixed
neighborhood only sees property assessments increase by leaps & bounds.
Seems we're just not white or yuppie enough -- yet -- to be heard. BTW, I
love my neighbors, my home, and convenient location. I just wish we'd get
the same municipal services the rest of the city enjoys.

Suzy O

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
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"Suzy O" wrote in message
...
No, meth labs, drug dealing, strolling prostitutes, and bums hitting the
streets when the liquor stores opens at 8::00 are a reality in many areas
where people also LOVE their homes. So then what?



Sounds like time for the neighbors to organize and drive out the crime.

Get to know a couple of the police supervisors - the ones who are the first
to get a major headache when something goes wrong with a "customer" (you &
your neighbors). Some of them can actually make things change. Ask two
things:

1) This doesn't need to be true: "Some of us were wondering what kind of
shotguns your cops carry. Are those appropriate for home protection, too, or
is there a different kind that would be better?" The sergeant will think "Oh
no....". Even if they believe in the right to bear arms, the last thing they
want is to scoop up a teenager with his aorta sticking out of his chest. You
may see more cop cars rolling through your neighborhood.

2) Ask if he/she can arrange for a cop or two to advise certain neighbors
whose outdoor lighting is stupid. We had a rash of burglaries here last
fall. The sergeant who teaches our school's DARE course happens to also be a
major chatterbox - she loves to talk to her employers (us). She was here one
night after a burglary. She commented that many of the outdoor lights
completely blind the cops, just as they blind pedestrians trying to enjoy
the stars at night. Asking your local whoever person about this may make
them realize that your neighborhood's getting motivated, and wants more
help.

3) Smile and say "Everybody loves a treasure hunt, right? Let's have one!
Let's see what happens if we catch the perpetrator before you do!" :-)

Just my opinion, but I think you need to keep the cops wondering about the
neighborhood's balance of sane, desperate, angry and helpless. They have
their own opinion of what the blend should be, but it's good to keep them
guessing.

By the way, many years ago, a cop mentioned something that would not stop
burglaries, but would drastically decrease the amount of things stolen: A
deadbolt on the basement door. Basement windows are a favorite way into a
house.


"Suzy O" wrote in message
...
You think we haven't tried? Duh. For cripes sakes, we've been here 10+
years, and organized and worked with the po-lice time and again. The
reality: if we were in the more fashionable neighborhood 3 or 4 blocks
away, we'd have cops crawling all over the place. But this mixed
neighborhood only sees property assessments increase by leaps & bounds.
Seems we're just not white or yuppie enough -- yet -- to be heard. BTW, I
love my neighbors, my home, and convenient location. I just wish we'd get
the same municipal services the rest of the city enjoys.

Suzy O

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
...

"Suzy O" wrote in message
...
No, meth labs, drug dealing, strolling prostitutes, and bums hitting the
streets when the liquor stores opens at 8::00 are a reality in many
areas
where people also LOVE their homes. So then what?



Sounds like time for the neighbors to organize and drive out the crime.

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
. ..

snippage

As for moving next to you, it would be the last thing I would ever
consider.
I'm not worried about the homes of others. I just don't want
inconsiderate
slobs, people operating meth labs, or acid-rock band rehearsals in my
neighborhood. I would be perfectly content if these things occurred in
your
neighborhood because even slobs and drug deals have to live somewhere. I
suspect that you would be a hideous neighbor, bitching about everything
bothered you. I would laugh if a pig farm moved next to you. Remember,
you
don't pay the mortgage or taxes so the stench would be none of your
business. One man's stench is another's junk yard. Enjoy.

Whoa, where do you get that she's a "hideous" neighbor"? "Even slobs and
drug dealers have to live somewhere" -- WTF? Everything she's written here
suggests exactly the opposite -- live and let live without getting in
someone else's business. No offense, but from my perspective as someone
just reading this thread, you have degenerated into histrionic flaming for
no reason.

"Natty Dread" wrote in message
m...

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
. ..

snippage

As for moving next to you, it would be the last thing I would ever
consider.
I'm not worried about the homes of others. I just don't want
inconsiderate
slobs, people operating meth labs, or acid-rock band rehearsals in my
neighborhood. I would be perfectly content if these things occurred in
your
neighborhood because even slobs and drug deals have to live somewhere. I
suspect that you would be a hideous neighbor, bitching about everything
bothered you. I would laugh if a pig farm moved next to you. Remember,
you
don't pay the mortgage or taxes so the stench would be none of your
business. One man's stench is another's junk yard. Enjoy.

Whoa, where do you get that she's a "hideous" neighbor"? "Even slobs and
drug dealers have to live somewhere" -- WTF? Everything she's written
here
suggests exactly the opposite -- live and let live without getting in
someone else's business. No offense, but from my perspective as someone
just reading this thread, you have degenerated into histrionic flaming for
no reason.

Stick around and you will understand. Sister Theresa, she ain't.

"Natty Dread" expounded:

Whoa, where do you get that she's a "hideous" neighbor"? "Even slobs and
drug dealers have to live somewhere" -- WTF? Everything she's written here
suggests exactly the opposite -- live and let live without getting in
someone else's business. No offense, but from my perspective as someone
just reading this thread, you have degenerated into histrionic flaming for
no reason.

She's reading into me what lives in her.

--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************