I live in zone 14. I have a lilac that has a lot of sentimental value to me, but I can't seem to make it healthy. I'm thinking that I'm either over-watering or under-watering, but I don't know which. Here is what I see:

I'm getting satisfactory growth in height (it's now about 6 ft high now), but the leaves are curling inward, getting brittle, losing their green color, and getting some brownish spots. Leaves near the ground on the younger branches are doing fairly well. Some of the canes were so badly damaged last year that they did not leaf out this year. The lilac bloomed for the first time this spring, but I only got two flowers, and they didn't last long

Last year, my symptoms were similar. I concluded that I was under-watering. I was giving it a little over 2 gallons per week, and I increased the dose to 3 gallons per week. Now I increased it again to about 4 gallons per week -- watering twice a week. There is some moisture in the soil, but it is definitely not wet.

I give it Master Start fertilizer, and sometimes 0-10-10 instead. I fertilize every 6 weeks.

Some of the lilac gets sun all day, and some of it very little. The average is probably about 6 hours of sun per day. I can't be sure whether or not the damage is related to which sections get more sun. However, I can say that last year's damage seemed to occur mostly in the shady areas. This year's damage is higher up and more in the sunlight.

Please help me if you can. My grandmother always had a lilac, and I keep in remembrance of her.

--
Loudette Burton

G Burton wrote:
I live in zone 14. I have a lilac that has a lot of
sentimental value to me, but I can't seem to make it healthy. I'm
thinking that I'm either over-watering or under-watering, but I
don't know which. Here is what I see:

I'm getting satisfactory growth in height (it's now about 6 ft
high now), but the leaves are curling inward, getting brittle,
losing their green color, and getting some brownish spots. Leaves
near the ground on the younger branches are doing fairly well.
Some of the canes were so badly damaged last year that they did not
leaf out this year. The lilac bloomed for the first time this
spring, but I only got two flowers, and they didn't last long

Last year, my symptoms were similar. I concluded that I was
under-watering. I was giving it a little over 2 gallons per week,
and I increased the dose to 3 gallons per week. Now I increased it
again to about 4 gallons per week -- watering twice a week. There
is some moisture in the soil, but it is definitely not wet.

I give it Master Start fertilizer, and sometimes 0-10-10
instead. I fertilize every 6 weeks.

Some of the lilac gets sun all day, and some of it very little.
The average is probably about 6 hours of sun per day. I can't be
sure whether or not the damage is related to which sections get
more sun. However, I can say that last year's damage seemed to
occur mostly in the shady areas. This year's damage is higher up
and more in the sunlight.

Please help me if you can. My grandmother always had a lilac,
and I keep in remembrance of her.

Please stop posting in HTML.

Knowing where you are would help.

Lilacs do best in full sun.

After the first or second year they usually require no supplemental
watering. They do not require fertilizer. They like an alkaline soil.
They do best in parts of the country that have a winter.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

I live in zone 14, about 70 miles east, northeast of San Francisco.

"Travis" wrote in message
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G Burton wrote:
I live in zone 14. I have a lilac that has a lot of
sentimental value to me, but I can't seem to make it healthy. I'm
thinking that I'm either over-watering or under-watering, but I
don't know which. Here is what I see:

I'm getting satisfactory growth in height (it's now about 6 ft
high now), but the leaves are curling inward, getting brittle,
losing their green color, and getting some brownish spots. Leaves
near the ground on the younger branches are doing fairly well.
Some of the canes were so badly damaged last year that they did not
leaf out this year. The lilac bloomed for the first time this
spring, but I only got two flowers, and they didn't last long

Last year, my symptoms were similar. I concluded that I was
under-watering. I was giving it a little over 2 gallons per week,
and I increased the dose to 3 gallons per week. Now I increased it
again to about 4 gallons per week -- watering twice a week. There
is some moisture in the soil, but it is definitely not wet.

I give it Master Start fertilizer, and sometimes 0-10-10
instead. I fertilize every 6 weeks.

Some of the lilac gets sun all day, and some of it very little.
The average is probably about 6 hours of sun per day. I can't be
sure whether or not the damage is related to which sections get
more sun. However, I can say that last year's damage seemed to
occur mostly in the shady areas. This year's damage is higher up
and more in the sunlight.

Please help me if you can. My grandmother always had a lilac,
and I keep in remembrance of her.

Please stop posting in HTML.

Knowing where you are would help.

Lilacs do best in full sun.

After the first or second year they usually require no supplemental
watering. They do not require fertilizer. They like an alkaline soil.
They do best in parts of the country that have a winter.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

Hello Loudette
Zone 14 should have enough winter for your lilac to bloom. Since you
(and I) are in an area of no summer rainfall and a very hot summer,
lilacs do need watering. You didn't say how old the plant is, but 4
gallons is not much water for a 6 foot shrub, when the temperatures are
hitting 100. That is only 4 gallon milk jugs of water! Barely wets the
surface..........
Give your lilac deep watering until you can dig down at least 6 inches
and still have damp soil.
I am watering mine twice a week in this heat, and once a week when it
gets below 90. Are you watering far enough out from the trunk?
If you're using drip, it usually doesn't spread far enough into the
root zone.

Stop fertilizing it until it becomes a healthy plant. Fertilizer is
not Medicine for a sickly plant. ( You wouldn't feed a sick person a 12
course roast beef dinnner. :) )I never fertilize my lilac.

The brown spotting could be a leaf spot fungus
Everything seems to have it after the long, cool, rainy spring. The
heat is helping some.

Do you use a mulch around the roots? That can really help retain
moisture and keep the roots cool.

Are you pruning it ? If so, when? It should be pruned in early spring,
soon after blooming.
I would remove the lower sucker growth.. It's taking energy from the
upper branches.

Another thought: soil. Are you in the clay soil belt near Sacramento?
Lilacs like to be in a good drainage situation. The pH should be OK.
We are mostly neutral around here.

Good Luck with your sentimental plant!

Emilie
NorCal

G Burton wrote:
I live in zone 14, about 70 miles east, northeast of San
Francisco.
"Travis" wrote in message
news:f31Ee.26811$ph1.14341@trnddc06...
G Burton wrote:
I live in zone 14. I have a lilac that has a lot of
sentimental value to me, but I can't seem to make it healthy. I'm
thinking that I'm either over-watering or under-watering,
but I don't know which. Here is what I see:

I'm getting satisfactory growth in height (it's now about 6
ft high now), but the leaves are curling inward, getting
brittle, losing their green color, and getting some brownish
spots. Leaves near the ground on the younger branches are
doing fairly well. Some of the canes were so badly damaged last
year that they did not leaf out this year. The lilac bloomed
for the first time this spring, but I only got two flowers, and
they didn't last long Last year, my symptoms were similar. I
concluded that I was
under-watering. I was giving it a little over 2 gallons per
week, and I increased the dose to 3 gallons per week. Now I
increased it again to about 4 gallons per week -- watering
twice a week. There is some moisture in the soil, but it is
definitely not wet. I give it Master Start fertilizer, and
sometimes 0-10-10
instead. I fertilize every 6 weeks.

Some of the lilac gets sun all day, and some of it very
little. The average is probably about 6 hours of sun per day. I
can't be sure whether or not the damage is related to which
sections get more sun. However, I can say that last year's
damage seemed to occur mostly in the shady areas. This year's
damage is higher up and more in the sunlight.

Please help me if you can. My grandmother always had a
lilac, and I keep in remembrance of her.

Please stop posting in HTML.

Knowing where you are would help.

Lilacs do best in full sun.

After the first or second year they usually require no
supplemental watering. They do not require fertilizer. They
like an alkaline soil. They do best in parts of the country that
have a winter. --

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

That would be Sunset zone 14.

If all the other conditions I mentioned are present Lilacs should do
well where you are.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

Thank you very much! That is very helpful.

"mleblanca" wrote in message
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Hello Loudette
Zone 14 should have enough winter for your lilac to bloom. Since you
(and I) are in an area of no summer rainfall and a very hot summer,
lilacs do need watering. You didn't say how old the plant is, but 4
gallons is not much water for a 6 foot shrub, when the temperatures are
hitting 100. That is only 4 gallon milk jugs of water! Barely wets the
surface..........
Give your lilac deep watering until you can dig down at least 6 inches
and still have damp soil.
I am watering mine twice a week in this heat, and once a week when it
gets below 90. Are you watering far enough out from the trunk?
If you're using drip, it usually doesn't spread far enough into the
root zone.

Stop fertilizing it until it becomes a healthy plant. Fertilizer is
not Medicine for a sickly plant. ( You wouldn't feed a sick person a 12
course roast beef dinnner. :) )I never fertilize my lilac.

The brown spotting could be a leaf spot fungus
Everything seems to have it after the long, cool, rainy spring. The
heat is helping some.

Do you use a mulch around the roots? That can really help retain
moisture and keep the roots cool.

Are you pruning it ? If so, when? It should be pruned in early spring,
soon after blooming.
I would remove the lower sucker growth.. It's taking energy from the
upper branches.

Another thought: soil. Are you in the clay soil belt near Sacramento?
Lilacs like to be in a good drainage situation. The pH should be OK.
We are mostly neutral around here.

Good Luck with your sentimental plant!

Emilie
NorCal

Thank you!

"Travis" wrote in message
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G Burton wrote:
I live in zone 14, about 70 miles east, northeast of San
Francisco.
"Travis" wrote in message
news:f31Ee.26811$ph1.14341@trnddc06...
G Burton wrote:
I live in zone 14. I have a lilac that has a lot of
sentimental value to me, but I can't seem to make it healthy. I'm
thinking that I'm either over-watering or under-watering,
but I don't know which. Here is what I see:

I'm getting satisfactory growth in height (it's now about 6
ft high now), but the leaves are curling inward, getting
brittle, losing their green color, and getting some brownish
spots. Leaves near the ground on the younger branches are
doing fairly well. Some of the canes were so badly damaged last
year that they did not leaf out this year. The lilac bloomed
for the first time this spring, but I only got two flowers, and
they didn't last long Last year, my symptoms were similar. I
concluded that I was
under-watering. I was giving it a little over 2 gallons per
week, and I increased the dose to 3 gallons per week. Now I
increased it again to about 4 gallons per week -- watering
twice a week. There is some moisture in the soil, but it is
definitely not wet. I give it Master Start fertilizer, and sometimes
0-10-10
instead. I fertilize every 6 weeks.

Some of the lilac gets sun all day, and some of it very
little. The average is probably about 6 hours of sun per day. I can't
be sure whether or not the damage is related to which
sections get more sun. However, I can say that last year's
damage seemed to occur mostly in the shady areas. This year's
damage is higher up and more in the sunlight.

Please help me if you can. My grandmother always had a
lilac, and I keep in remembrance of her.

Please stop posting in HTML.

Knowing where you are would help.

Lilacs do best in full sun.

After the first or second year they usually require no
supplemental watering. They do not require fertilizer. They
like an alkaline soil. They do best in parts of the country that
have a winter. --

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

That would be Sunset zone 14.

If all the other conditions I mentioned are present Lilacs should do well
where you are.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

I need to correct some of the information in my posting. I may have misled
you, and I need your help.

I measured the lilac, and recalculated the water supply.

It is about 4 1/2 feet high. Yes, it is on a drip system. I am actually
giving it 7.5 gallons/wk. I water it twice per week at 3.75 gallons each
watering. The water was being dripped right at the base of the plant, and I
am taking your suggestion to hook it up so that the drip is all around the
bush and about a foot from the trunk. I dug down, and there was some
moisture 6" deep, but not much. It was mostly dry.

I'm in Fairfield, so you know my climate. As you know, it has been very hot
lately and that may be a good part of the problem. The soil is mostly clay,
but the lilac is planted in topsoil Below that, I'm sure is clay.


Thanks to you, I have stopped fertilizing and I am determined to save this
plant if there is any way I can. Can you now tell my if I'm overwatering or
underwatering?

"mleblanca" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello Loudette
Zone 14 should have enough winter for your lilac to bloom. Since you
(and I) are in an area of no summer rainfall and a very hot summer,
lilacs do need watering. You didn't say how old the plant is, but 4
gallons is not much water for a 6 foot shrub, when the temperatures are
hitting 100. That is only 4 gallon milk jugs of water! Barely wets the
surface..........
Give your lilac deep watering until you can dig down at least 6 inches
and still have damp soil.
I am watering mine twice a week in this heat, and once a week when it
gets below 90. Are you watering far enough out from the trunk?
If you're using drip, it usually doesn't spread far enough into the
root zone.

Stop fertilizing it until it becomes a healthy plant. Fertilizer is
not Medicine for a sickly plant. ( You wouldn't feed a sick person a 12
course roast beef dinnner. :) )I never fertilize my lilac.

The brown spotting could be a leaf spot fungus
Everything seems to have it after the long, cool, rainy spring. The
heat is helping some.

Do you use a mulch around the roots? That can really help retain
moisture and keep the roots cool.

Are you pruning it ? If so, when? It should be pruned in early spring,
soon after blooming.
I would remove the lower sucker growth.. It's taking energy from the
upper branches.

Another thought: soil. Are you in the clay soil belt near Sacramento?
Lilacs like to be in a good drainage situation. The pH should be OK.
We are mostly neutral around here.

Good Luck with your sentimental plant!

Emilie
NorCal