Jonny wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Srgnt Billko wrote:
synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale
green
to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil
quality
in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought in.
How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil pretty
close by.

yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped
off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how
they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold
back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and
profitability.


Its easier for mass building of homes to scrape the land of topsoil. You
can't pour a concrete slab on wishwashy soil. More difficult for heavy
trucks to move in that soil, especially concrete trucks. It is odd the
builder didn't just put the topsoil back when the house was completed.
Guess it was the minor cost in doing that.

yep. telling from that point of view works every time.

seems it's really all about maximum profits and
profitability.

Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Srgnt Billko wrote:
synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale
green
to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil
quality
in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought in.
How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil pretty
close by.

yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped
off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how
they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold
back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and
profitability.

Unless its been farmed to shit!

funny you should mention shit or maybe I should refer to the
substance as chicken droppings. did you know organically certified
produce must be grown without man made chemical fertilizers? guess
what we sometimes use in the place of those man made chemical
fertilizers?
We use chicken shit for 100% organic lawn fert for some customers.

that causes me to wonder if certification by the NCDACS would
be required before allowing said lawn care works to make such
an application? most likely, there'd be an unaddressed loop
hole somewhere in this one.

Jim Ledford wrote:

.p.jm wrote:


Jim Ledford wrote:

Mike wrote:


Srgnt Billko wrote:

synergy3000 wrote:

I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale green
to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil quality
in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought in.
How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil pretty
close by.

yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped
off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how
they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold
back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and
profitability.


Unless its been farmed to shit!

funny you should mention shit or maybe I should refer to the
substance as chicken droppings. did you know organically certified
produce must be grown without man made chemical fertilizers? guess
what we sometimes use in the place of those man made chemical
fertilizers?

No shit ?


excrement for the more so called refined.

Manure.

--

These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on
me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for
any Government, Commercial or Educational institution.

John

synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale green
to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil quality
in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought in.
How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

A couple years ago, I tried to improve the soil by spreading a layer of
top soil over the lawn. This involved manually spreading the top-soil,
and then use a large and wide landscape rake to smoothen the top soil
in order to prevent the top soil from smashing the grass. So far, I am
not sure if this has really helped anything. I cannot tell one way or
the other.

Please note that spreading top soil is a very time consuming and tiring
process. I only have a 1/4 arce property (with around 1/2 of the
property is lawn) and I was/am physically fit. Nevertheless, I was
very very tired after I had spreaded the top soil (took 2 days). I
promise myself never do this again unless I am doing this in very small
areas (like re-seeding bare spots in the lawn). Please think twice
before committing yourself to this course of action.

I also use mulching instead of bagging when I mow the lawn hoping that
this will add organic matters to the soil, and may improve the soil
quality. Again, I don't know if this really helps or not; but this
should not harm even if this doesn't help.

Jay Chan

synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale green
to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil quality
in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought in.
How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

You can't put much more than 1/2 to 1 inch of soil on existing turf and
have it survive. How many square feet is it?

"Mike" wrote:
"Srgnt Billko" wrote in message
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"synergy3000" wrote in message
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I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale
green to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil
quality in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil
brought in. How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil pretty
close by.

Unless its been farmed to shit!

It's lacking the shit. (organics)

"Srgnt Billko" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message
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"Srgnt Billko" wrote in message
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"synergy3000" wrote in message
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I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt
is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale
green to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil
quality in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil
brought in. How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil pretty
close by.
Unless its been farmed to shit!


Is that supposed to be a pun ? Cow shit or chicken shit ? Even if it
has been harvested without fertilization (unlikely) the soil should still
be nice and loose and strong enough to grow grass.

Someone sold the top soil years ago. That ain't no farm.

"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Srgnt Billko wrote:
synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt
is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot
with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale
green
to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil
quality
in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought
in.
How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil
pretty
close by.

yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped
off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how
they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold
back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and
profitability.

Unless its been farmed to shit!

funny you should mention shit or maybe I should refer to the
substance as chicken droppings. did you know organically certified
produce must be grown without man made chemical fertilizers? guess
what we sometimes use in the place of those man made chemical
fertilizers?
We use chicken shit for 100% organic lawn fert for some customers.

that causes me to wonder if certification by the NCDACS would
be required before allowing said lawn care works to make such
an application? most likely, there'd be an unaddressed loop
hole somewhere in this one.
I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.
Wow that was a struggle, my R key is pooched!

Mike wrote:
"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
...

Mike wrote:


Jim Ledford wrote:

Mike wrote:

Srgnt Billko wrote:

synergy3000 wrote:

I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt
is
pretty crappy. Hard and clay like. The builder seeded the lot
with
tall fescue which managed to grow ok. The lawn still looks a pale
green
to yellow in areas. Any suggestion on how to build up the soil
quality
in my yard? I've heard one suggestion of having top soil brought
in.
How pricey would that be?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks

Geez - on old farm land - there has to be some decent top soil
pretty
close by.

yep. it was not hauled all that far away just after it was scraped
off and loaded on trucks. see, later after the newcomer decides how
they'd like to have a lawn the same original top soil can be sold
back to them. seems it's really all about maximum profits and
profitability.


Unless its been farmed to shit!

funny you should mention shit or maybe I should refer to the
substance as chicken droppings. did you know organically certified
produce must be grown without man made chemical fertilizers? guess
what we sometimes use in the place of those man made chemical
fertilizers?

We use chicken shit for 100% organic lawn fert for some customers.

that causes me to wonder if certification by the NCDACS would
be required before allowing said lawn care works to make such
an application? most likely, there'd be an unaddressed loop
hole somewhere in this one.

I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.
Wow that was a struggle, my R key is pooched!



North Carolina Dept of Agriculture & Consumer Services

http://www.ncagr.com/

--

These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on
me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for
any Government, Commercial or Educational institution.

John

no_name wrote:
North Carolina Dept of Agriculture & Consumer Services

http://www.nascar.com/


Whaaa?

Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Srgnt Billko wrote:
synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The dirt
[....]
I'm not sure who the NCDACS is,

North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services


but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.

synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.

"Jim Ledford" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:

Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Jim Ledford wrote:
Mike wrote:
Srgnt Billko wrote:
synergy3000 wrote:
I moved into a new house which was built on old farm land. The
dirt
[....]
I'm not sure who the NCDACS is,

North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services


but where I live the MOE recomends chicken
poop as a good alternative to synthetic fertalizers.

synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.
They do suck a lot. Most customers request it since it provides the best
results, however we atleast usea 50% organic/synthetic mix, which is a
little better. And for our organic customers they get chicken poop with
acedic acid/yucca for weed control.

Mike wrote:


I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE
recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic
fertalizers.

I wonder why? One is full of bacteria (possibly with other
viruses, parasites) - and of fluctuating chemical composition
- while the other is sterile clean, and formulated to exactly
match the plant's chemical needs.

Jim Ledford wrote:


synthetic fertilizers suck and for the sake of
the environment ought to be banned.

LOL. And return to the days of e coli, cholera, listeria,
dysentery, and foodstuffs mishapen and unappealing due
to proper mineral balance?

BTW - there's nothing "synthetic" about chemical fertilizers.
Chemically, there is no difference whatsoever - except for
uniform composition and lack of impurities.
Science - not voodoo traditions.

"Dweezil Dwarftosser" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:


I'm not sure who the NCDACS is, but where I live the MOE
recomends chicken poop as a good alternative to synthetic
fertalizers.

I wonder why? One is full of bacteria (possibly with other
viruses, parasites) - and of fluctuating chemical composition
- while the other is sterile clean, and formulated to exactly
match the plant's chemical needs.
I believe that it is sterilized beforehand else the bags would have a
biohazard symbol on them.