I'm not sure I get what the heck is going on here.

The rear wheels of my walk-behind MTD mower turn on bolts with a 3/4" cap.
The (plastic rim) wheels have become loose, but I cannot tighten nor losen
that bolt. I can see it spinning in the plate as if the threads were
stripped. Neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise do anything.

Both rear wheel bolts behave this way. But the end of the bolt looks like
it was flared out a tiny amount so that it is perhaps some kind of
press-fit ??? My local repair place says that this is very unlikely, but
the mower is not worth bringing it to a repair shop.

Ideas?

Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
I'm not sure I get what the heck is going on here.

The rear wheels of my walk-behind MTD mower turn on bolts with a 3/4" cap.
The (plastic rim) wheels have become loose, but I cannot tighten nor losen
that bolt. I can see it spinning in the plate as if the threads were
stripped. Neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise do anything.

Both rear wheel bolts behave this way. But the end of the bolt looks like
it was flared out a tiny amount so that it is perhaps some kind of
press-fit ??? My local repair place says that this is very unlikely, but
the mower is not worth bringing it to a repair shop.

What is "it" and what is "the plate"? Normally those wheels would be
mounted on a shoulder bolt. I suppose w/ something cheap they may have
made simply a peened end to hold them, don't know, don't have one to
look at...

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"dpb" wrote in message ...
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
I'm not sure I get what the heck is going on here.

The rear wheels of my walk-behind MTD mower turn on bolts with a 3/4"
cap. The (plastic rim) wheels have become loose, but I cannot tighten nor
losen that bolt. I can see it spinning in the plate as if the threads
were stripped. Neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise do anything.

Both rear wheel bolts behave this way. But the end of the bolt looks
like it was flared out a tiny amount so that it is perhaps some kind of
press-fit ??? My local repair place says that this is very unlikely, but
the mower is not worth bringing it to a repair shop.

What is "it" and what is "the plate"? Normally those wheels would be
mounted on a shoulder bolt. I suppose w/ something cheap they may have
made simply a peened end to hold them, don't know, don't have one to look
at...

The "it" is the bolt. The "plate" is the plate of metal that the bolt is
(what I thought) screwed into. It may be peened over at the end to hold it
in place, but the repair guy swears no. I cannot get a better look at it,
and there are no service manuals that explain how to pull that thing (bolt)
out.

On Jun 18, 11:01 am, "Thomas G. Marshall"
. com wrote:
"dpb" wrote in ...
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
I'm not sure I get what the heck is going on here.

The rear wheels of my walk-behind MTD mower turn on bolts with a 3/4"
cap. The (plastic rim) wheels have become loose, but I cannot tighten nor
losen that bolt. I can see it spinning in the plate as if the threads
were stripped. Neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise do anything.

Both rear wheel bolts behave this way. But the end of the bolt looks
like it was flared out a tiny amount so that it is perhaps some kind of
press-fit ??? My local repair place says that this is very unlikely, but
the mower is not worth bringing it to a repair shop.

What is "it" and what is "the plate"? Normally those wheels would be
mounted on a shoulder bolt. I suppose w/ something cheap they may have
made simply a peened end to hold them, don't know, don't have one to look
at...

The "it" is the bolt. The "plate" is the plate of metal that the bolt is
(what I thought) screwed into. It may be peened over at the end to hold it
in place, but the repair guy swears no. I cannot get a better look at it,
and there are noservicemanualsthat explain how to pull that thing (bolt)
out.

What is the make and model of the mower? I may have a manual for it on
my site at http://www.justmanuals.com

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"dpb" wrote in message ...
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
I'm not sure I get what the heck is going on here.

The rear wheels of my walk-behind MTD mower turn on bolts with a 3/4"
cap. The (plastic rim) wheels have become loose, but I cannot tighten
nor losen that bolt. I can see it spinning in the plate as if the
threads were stripped. Neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise do
anything.

Both rear wheel bolts behave this way. But the end of the bolt looks
like it was flared out a tiny amount so that it is perhaps some kind of
press-fit ??? My local repair place says that this is very unlikely,
but the mower is not worth bringing it to a repair shop.

What is "it" and what is "the plate"? Normally those wheels would be
mounted on a shoulder bolt. I suppose w/ something cheap they may have
made simply a peened end to hold them, don't know, don't have one to look
at...

The "it" is the bolt. The "plate" is the plate of metal that the bolt is
(what I thought) screwed into. It may be peened over at the end to hold
it in place, but the repair guy swears no. I cannot get a better look at
it, and there are no service manuals that explain how to pull that thing
(bolt) out.

Take the whole "plate" assembly off the mower deck.

Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ...
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
I'm not sure I get what the heck is going on here.

The rear wheels of my walk-behind MTD mower turn on bolts with a 3/4"
cap. The (plastic rim) wheels have become loose, but I cannot tighten nor
losen that bolt. I can see it spinning in the plate as if the threads
were stripped. Neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise do anything.

Both rear wheel bolts behave this way. But the end of the bolt looks
like it was flared out a tiny amount so that it is perhaps some kind of
press-fit ??? My local repair place says that this is very unlikely, but
the mower is not worth bringing it to a repair shop.
What is "it" and what is "the plate"? Normally those wheels would be
mounted on a shoulder bolt. I suppose w/ something cheap they may have
made simply a peened end to hold them, don't know, don't have one to look
at...

The "it" is the bolt. The "plate" is the plate of metal that the bolt is
(what I thought) screwed into. It may be peened over at the end to hold it
in place, but the repair guy swears no. I cannot get a better look at it,
and there are no service manuals that explain how to pull that thing (bolt)
out.




I wouldn't spend a lot of time on it. It is likely that the deck is near
rusted through where the wheels attach anyway. It may be time to
consider your replacement options.

It is a shoulder bolt. The threaded ends get caked with grass and
fertilizer and rust or corrode such that the nut will strip the threads
before passing over that part of the threads. It's a cheap mower and
they use cheap (soft) bolts and steel nuts that rust. You will need to
locate the 2 bolts that hold the adjuster plate to the deck, clean them
well before attempting to remove the nuts. If you can get the adjuster
and wheel assembly off, you can hacksaw or grind the nut off the end of
the wheel bolt. Your "repair guy" really should know this.
Next time you need to remove a wheel bolt you should hit the end with a
wire brush first and maybe a shot of wd-40 or any penetrating oil.

Forget a service manual. If MTD even makes one, which I doubt, it is not
going to cover this situation. Or even how to remove the wheel when the
bolt isn't stripped. The only service manual for that machine would be
published by the engine mfg and cover only the engine.

--
Art

Excellent Art !!

"Art" wrote in message
...
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ...
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
I'm not sure I get what the heck is going on here.

The rear wheels of my walk-behind MTD mower turn on bolts with a 3/4"
cap. The (plastic rim) wheels have become loose, but I cannot tighten
nor losen that bolt. I can see it spinning in the plate as if the
threads were stripped. Neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise do
anything.

Both rear wheel bolts behave this way. But the end of the bolt looks
like it was flared out a tiny amount so that it is perhaps some kind
of press-fit ??? My local repair place says that this is very
unlikely, but the mower is not worth bringing it to a repair shop.
What is "it" and what is "the plate"? Normally those wheels would be
mounted on a shoulder bolt. I suppose w/ something cheap they may have
made simply a peened end to hold them, don't know, don't have one to
look at...

The "it" is the bolt. The "plate" is the plate of metal that the bolt is
(what I thought) screwed into. It may be peened over at the end to hold
it in place, but the repair guy swears no. I cannot get a better look at
it, and there are no service manuals that explain how to pull that thing
(bolt) out.




I wouldn't spend a lot of time on it. It is likely that the deck is near
rusted through where the wheels attach anyway. It may be time to consider
your replacement options.

It is a shoulder bolt. The threaded ends get caked with grass and
fertilizer and rust or corrode such that the nut will strip the threads
before passing over that part of the threads. It's a cheap mower and they
use cheap (soft) bolts and steel nuts that rust. You will need to locate
the 2 bolts that hold the adjuster plate to the deck, clean them well
before attempting to remove the nuts. If you can get the adjuster and
wheel assembly off, you can hacksaw or grind the nut off the end of the
wheel bolt. Your "repair guy" really should know this.
Next time you need to remove a wheel bolt you should hit the end with a
wire brush first and maybe a shot of wd-40 or any penetrating oil.

Forget a service manual. If MTD even makes one, which I doubt, it is not
going to cover this situation. Or even how to remove the wheel when the
bolt isn't stripped. The only service manual for that machine would be
published by the engine mfg and cover only the engine.

--
Art

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:11:41 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
. com wrote:


I'm not sure I get what the heck is going on here.

The rear wheels of my walk-behind MTD mower turn on bolts with a 3/4" cap.
The (plastic rim) wheels have become loose, but I cannot tighten nor losen
that bolt. I can see it spinning in the plate as if the threads were
stripped. Neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise do anything.

Both rear wheel bolts behave this way. But the end of the bolt looks like
it was flared out a tiny amount so that it is perhaps some kind of
press-fit ??? My local repair place says that this is very unlikely, but
the mower is not worth bringing it to a repair shop.

I have a mower with one loose wheel for the last two years, but it
doesnt cause any problem. Can you just wait until the wheel falls
off, if it ever does? Then you will only have to put it back one,
instead of also having to remove it.

My mower is about 25 years old, but except for this wheel, was in
like-new condition when I found it next to a dumpster. At an
apartment house for some reason. Maybe they moved from a house and
took it with them, but couldn't sell it?

Ideas?

"Art" wrote in message
...
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ...
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
I'm not sure I get what the heck is going on here.

The rear wheels of my walk-behind MTD mower turn on bolts with a 3/4"
cap. The (plastic rim) wheels have become loose, but I cannot tighten
nor losen that bolt. I can see it spinning in the plate as if the
threads were stripped. Neither clockwise nor counter-clockwise do
anything.

Both rear wheel bolts behave this way. But the end of the bolt looks
like it was flared out a tiny amount so that it is perhaps some kind
of press-fit ??? My local repair place says that this is very
unlikely, but the mower is not worth bringing it to a repair shop.
What is "it" and what is "the plate"? Normally those wheels would be
mounted on a shoulder bolt. I suppose w/ something cheap they may have
made simply a peened end to hold them, don't know, don't have one to
look at...

The "it" is the bolt. The "plate" is the plate of metal that the bolt is
(what I thought) screwed into. It may be peened over at the end to hold
it in place, but the repair guy swears no. I cannot get a better look at
it, and there are no service manuals that explain how to pull that thing
(bolt) out.




I wouldn't spend a lot of time on it. It is likely that the deck is near
rusted through where the wheels attach anyway. It may be time to consider
your replacement options.

It is a shoulder bolt. The threaded ends get caked with grass and
fertilizer and rust or corrode such that the nut will strip the threads
before passing over that part of the threads.

Except that it looks like the end of the bolt just barely passes through the
"plate" I'm talking about. Perhaps peened over like someone elsewhere in
this thread suggested?

At this point I am more irked by it than in need of a repair. As an
engineer I do not like mysteries that should be very simple problems. And I
*loathe* lack of documentation.

....[rip]...