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Oscar_Lives wrote: "USENET READER" wrote in message ink.net... It's a vicious cycle - people's wages don't keep up with inflation, so they either look for cheaper stuff or they have no other choice. And when a store finds it is stocked with goods no one can afford to buy, they go with cheaper stuff to stay in business. It's everyone's fault, but mostly with big business for going overseas in the first place. Wrong. Greedy consumers think they have to have every device and every luxury available nowadays. Even the poor have cadillacs, cell phones, game boys, ipods, and $250 tennis shoes. ****ing stupid people with no self control and no brains are to blame for this mess. Who do you think makes the greedy consumers want all that stuff - the big companies who advertise them and also make them overseas. And when you are trying to compete with some other contractor who hires Mexican illegals, you gotta try and cut your costs as much as you can. If the government enforced it's immigration laws, fined or arrested employers for hiring illegals, shipped the illegals back over the border, and sealed the border up with higher walls that couldn't be cut through or climbed over. Stupid ****. We aren't talking about illegal aliens. We are talking about damn hard working immigrants doing jobs that fat lazy americans who are used to living on the dole won't do. Actually stupiid **** - we are talking about illegal alliens. The damn hard working immigrants you are referring to are mostly illegals. And they all drive wages down. If they weren't here, then the bosses would be forced to offer higher wages to legal workers who wouldn't need to be on the dole. Nobody on the dole wants to be on the dole - but then again being on the dole can sometimes pay more than what you make by working at those slave labor wages that the illegas get paid. But I was talking to two buddies of mine and then mentioned something about the construction trades which made me wonder if any more tools are going to be made in the USA? There are some, but do you and your friends try to find them? Are you willing to pay a higher price to buy them? Actually - yes I am - but it is a lot of work trying to find American made tools. Yeah, because no-skilled union american workers think they have to be paid $25 an hour to manufacture these tools. No - because workers who live in a country that isn't a democracy have no rights to a decent lliving wage, no right to workplace health and safety protection and no environmenta protections. Companies locate in those countries because they can get away with stuff that is illegal here in the USA. Are you saying that in addition to the lower wages, you would tolerate increased pollution, and increased risks to your health and safety on the job? What if, just to keep your job, you had to accept increased dangers on the workplace just to remain competitive - and you lost eyes and limbs on the job - it that worth keeping your job? One guy works as a stone mason and he is finding it harder and harder to find American made tools of his trade in the stores. The Chinese-made crap (his words) are cheaply made, don't hold up to continued professional work, rivets pop, everything rusts unless you soak it in oil (which is not good for the mortar or cement, mason's hoes break after one use, etc. That's what happens when you buy the lowest cost tool. If that's all the stores sell, you either buy it or you don't work. That's different than the crews I've seen. And the Mexican laborers I've seen are usually working their asses off. Can't say the same about some of the "American" crews I've seen. They work their asses off - not neccesarilly getting anything done, or working smarter either. Can't tell you how many cut phone and cable lines, water pipes and ther stuff that gets done by this hard workers. Also - they seem to die or get injured in the workplace either because the bosses don't want them to work with safety equipment or use safe workplace practices (because it costs too much) or because they didn't work that way back in Mexico. My friends work hard, work smart, work careful, and do good quality work. They pay there self-employment FICA, state and federal taxes, they pay their insurance, and they buy good quality american-made tools when they can. They just keep getting underbid by companies that hire illegals. And don't forget all the fat lazy and corrupt union workers who strangle productivity because of stupid labor rules that require 5 shovel-leaners for every one worker. Hey **** you - if it hadn't been for those brave union workers who put their lives and jobs on the line, we wouldn't have the workplace and wage protections that we have now - 40 hour workweek, overtime protection, workpace health and safety protection. In fact, all the protections you have today are due to unions and other liberal ideas. SO unless you want to be the first on the boat to go back and work in some slave labor factory in China just for the sake of showing that the bosses are always right and good, then shut the **** up! Well - the real question is - are any of the largely illegal immigrant construction workers buying quality American-made tools, or are they spending as little money as possible on tools as they might either get them stolen from a job site, or because they might get deported at any time and don't want to have any more money invested in tools than absolutely necessary? They probably represent a small total of the tool buyers. Don't try turn this into someone else's fault. The American consumer is choosing the cheapest product, which is not going to be made in the US. The American consumer isn't always choosing the cheapest product - sometimes it's all the consumer can find. When a company like Lowe's can buy cheap chinese made crap for 10% of what they pay Marshalltown, and can sell it for half of what an American made product sells for, they will not want to have so much money tied up in inventory and they realize that they can make more money selling crap that falls apart and needs to be repurchased more often. American consumers are too stupid, lazy, and looking for instant gratification that they think they are owed by the government. They won't work hard and save and take care of what they have. They want more more more disposable shit and they want the government or the corporation or "the man" to give it to them because they think they "deserve it". No actually dumb **** - American workers are smart, the most productive in the world, and willing to work hard and save for the future. But you can't save for the future if you don't have a job that pays enough for you to live on now! Actually - I can't think of anyone who wants to work hard for shit that will fall apart on them, but with greedy investors expecting a 40% return on their investment, some greedy manager will find a way to cut corners, move a factory overseas - whatever it takes to give the "ownership class" what they want at the expense of working people. Why do you dumb ****s endorse the kind of class warfare that makes investment rewarded more than hard work? Are you wone of those pukes who inherited all their wealth? |
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