The Maribyrnong orchid society staged arguably the best of their 3 or 4
annual orchid shows yesterday. The Maribyrnong Club is based in the western
suburbs of Melbourne, Vic., Australia and has a many members. A lot of great
orchids were on display and most noteworthy were the Dendrobium
(thelychiton) speciosums. The grand prize winner was (yet again) a bridal
veil - Dockrillia teretifolium " Newbold'
Cymbidium Pearl Dawson was very eye catching (Plant photo failed) along with
Cym Ten Pin 'No.1', but Masdevallia pachyura fluttered many a heart there!
Dendrobium speciosum 'Taipan' X 'Watellow' was outstanding.
See link below:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7212964...7601921626189/

Cheers,
Peter



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For those unfamiliar with Flickr-
Thumbnails can be enlarged initially to approx 100mm X 150mm simply by
clicking the curser on the thumbnail of interest. These can be further
enlarged by clicking on the "All Sizes" tab, above the photo. The name of
each orchid should appear in the first instance simply by hovering the mouse
above each thumbnail.


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"P Max" wrote in message
...

The Maribyrnong orchid society staged arguably the best of their 3 or 4
annual orchid shows yesterday. The Maribyrnong Club is based in the
western suburbs of Melbourne, Vic., Australia and has a many members. A
lot of great orchids were on display and most noteworthy were the
Dendrobium (thelychiton) speciosums. The grand prize winner was (yet
again) a bridal veil - Dockrillia teretifolium " Newbold'
Cymbidium Pearl Dawson was very eye catching (Plant photo failed) along
with Cym Ten Pin 'No.1', but Masdevallia pachyura fluttered many a heart
there! Dendrobium speciosum 'Taipan' X 'Watellow' was outstanding.
See link below:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7212964...7601921626189/

Cheers,
Peter



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)

Yeah, I'm going to have to get me one of those (thelychiton) speciosums.
They are just *too* impressive.

K

"P Max" wrote in message
...

The Maribyrnong orchid society staged arguably the best of their 3 or 4
annual orchid shows yesterday. The Maribyrnong Club is based in the
western suburbs of Melbourne, Vic., Australia and has a many members. A
lot of great orchids were on display and most noteworthy were the
Dendrobium (thelychiton) speciosums. The grand prize winner was (yet
again) a bridal veil - Dockrillia teretifolium " Newbold'
Cymbidium Pearl Dawson was very eye catching (Plant photo failed) along
with Cym Ten Pin 'No.1', but Masdevallia pachyura fluttered many a heart
there! Dendrobium speciosum 'Taipan' X 'Watellow' was outstanding.
See link below:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7212964...7601921626189/

Cheers,
Peter



--
)

What a show, Peter. Eye candy, for sure.

Diana

"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
Yeah, I'm going to have to get me one of those (thelychiton) speciosums.
They are just *too* impressive.

K

"P Max" wrote in message
...

The Maribyrnong orchid society staged arguably the best of their 3 or 4
annual orchid shows yesterday. The Maribyrnong Club is based in the
western suburbs of Melbourne, Vic., Australia and has a many members. A
lot of great orchids were on display and most noteworthy were the
Dendrobium (thelychiton) speciosums. The grand prize winner was (yet
again) a bridal veil - Dockrillia teretifolium " Newbold'
Cymbidium Pearl Dawson was very eye catching (Plant photo failed) along
with Cym Ten Pin 'No.1', but Masdevallia pachyura fluttered many a heart
there! Dendrobium speciosum 'Taipan' X 'Watellow' was outstanding.
See link below:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7212964...7601921626189/

Cheers,
Peter



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)

I'm continually amazed at the differences between the orchid types they have
in Australia vs what we have here in the US. They have Australian natives,
dends and cymbidiums. We have those plus just about everything else. But
the types of 'other' orchids, for example their masdevallias, are different
from the masds we have here, too. Sure Peter shows some Falcatas, but
beyond those, their tables usually show stripes and spots that we don't have
here. You'd think there'd be trade routes between us and them, since we do
import from Thailand and SE Asia, but not a lot from Aus/NZ. Weird.

K

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
. ..
What a show, Peter. Eye candy, for sure.

Diana

Kathy, get a well established Thelychiton species even if you have to pay a
bit more. They need to be a reasonable age and size to flower well. As
Peter's photos showed, they put on a spectacular display in spring. The
perfume is also overpowering in an enclosed space.

I have one mounted on a wall which currently has over 40 spikes covered in
buds (see attached). I will post a photo when they open in about a week or
two.

There is still considerable debate in Australia as to whether Thelychiton is
one species (lumpers) or a number of the different species (splitters).

John

"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
Yeah, I'm going to have to get me one of those (thelychiton) speciosums.
They are just *too* impressive.

K

There were two active masd. hybridisers in Vic. (now one) Kathy. Both used
M. yungasensis a lot to create the striped mazzies!
If buying thelychitons, I'd stick to those bred from the renowned cultivars.
Some of the thelys can be rank compared with the pedegree bred ones.
Anything with "Daylight Moon"; "Windermere" "Mt Larcom Gold" and certain
others should be good. Other factors to consider inc: The big yellow
grandiflorum forms are magnificent, but may take 20 years to bloom; For a
quicker grower - to blooming size, either curvicaule type or pendunculatum,
takes half the time or less to bloom - I'm not sure which one it is. Dave or
John may know?



"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
I'm continually amazed at the differences between the orchid types they
have in Australia vs what we have here in the US. They have Australian
natives, dends and cymbidiums. We have those plus just about everything
else. But the types of 'other' orchids, for example their masdevallias,
are different from the masds we have here, too. Sure Peter shows some
Falcatas, but beyond those, their tables usually show stripes and spots
that we don't have here. You'd think there'd be trade routes between us
and them, since we do import from Thailand and SE Asia, but not a lot from
Aus/NZ. Weird.

K

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
. ..
What a show, Peter. Eye candy, for sure.

Diana

I've noted the cultivars! Thanks! Santa Barbara Orchid Estate had some for
sale at the last sale, but I didn't notice the species much les the
cultivars becasue I just wasn't in the market for them, but now I'm thinking
about it! I should look at their site and see what they offer. DUNO had
some too, but I think he only comes here a couple of times a year.

K Barrett
"P Max" wrote in message
...
There were two active masd. hybridisers in Vic. (now one) Kathy. Both used
M. yungasensis a lot to create the striped mazzies!
If buying thelychitons, I'd stick to those bred from the renowned
cultivars. Some of the thelys can be rank compared with the pedegree bred
ones. Anything with "Daylight Moon"; "Windermere" "Mt Larcom Gold" and
certain others should be good. Other factors to consider inc: The big
yellow grandiflorum forms are magnificent, but may take 20 years to bloom;
For a quicker grower - to blooming size, either curvicaule type or
pendunculatum, takes half the time or less to bloom - I'm not sure which
one it is. Dave or John may know?



"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
I'm continually amazed at the differences between the orchid types they
have in Australia vs what we have here in the US. They have Australian
natives, dends and cymbidiums. We have those plus just about everything
else. But the types of 'other' orchids, for example their masdevallias,
are different from the masds we have here, too. Sure Peter shows some
Falcatas, but beyond those, their tables usually show stripes and spots
that we don't have here. You'd think there'd be trade routes between us
and them, since we do import from Thailand and SE Asia, but not a lot
from Aus/NZ. Weird.

K

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
. ..
What a show, Peter. Eye candy, for sure.

Diana

DUNO probably supplies Santa Barbara as well.
I found some photos of some great cultivars Kathy. See link below. Note
curvicaule "Daylight Moon" has an FCC award. I prefer the colour of
curvecaule "Misty Mountain" and grandiflorum "William", though. Also note
that the grandi's have the bigger flowers - up to 4 inches on some
cultivars, I believe.

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?i...%3Den%26sa%3DG
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)
"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
I've noted the cultivars! Thanks! Santa Barbara Orchid Estate had some
for sale at the last sale, but I didn't notice the species much les the
cultivars becasue I just wasn't in the market for them, but now I'm
thinking about it! I should look at their site and see what they offer.
DUNO had some too, but I think he only comes here a couple of times a
year.

K Barrett
"P Max" wrote in message
...
There were two active masd. hybridisers in Vic. (now one) Kathy. Both
used M. yungasensis a lot to create the striped mazzies!
If buying thelychitons, I'd stick to those bred from the renowned
cultivars. Some of the thelys can be rank compared with the pedegree bred
ones. Anything with "Daylight Moon"; "Windermere" "Mt Larcom Gold" and
certain others should be good. Other factors to consider inc: The big
yellow grandiflorum forms are magnificent, but may take 20 years to
bloom; For a quicker grower - to blooming size, either curvicaule type or
pendunculatum, takes half the time or less to bloom - I'm not sure which
one it is. Dave or John may know?



"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
I'm continually amazed at the differences between the orchid types they
have in Australia vs what we have here in the US. They have Australian
natives, dends and cymbidiums. We have those plus just about everything
else. But the types of 'other' orchids, for example their masdevallias,
are different from the masds we have here, too. Sure Peter shows some
Falcatas, but beyond those, their tables usually show stripes and spots
that we don't have here. You'd think there'd be trade routes between us
and them, since we do import from Thailand and SE Asia, but not a lot
from Aus/NZ. Weird.

K

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
. ..
What a show, Peter. Eye candy, for sure.

Diana

4 Inches across? I hadn't realized! The one I saw in Santa Barbara is this
one, http://www.sborchid.com/plantdisplay.php?ocode=CBO2153 which was so
large (about the size of a Volkswagen) that one couldn't take it in. and the
flowers were no where near 4 inches - BUT of course this is speciosum var
hilli and not var grandiflorum.

I *am* getting an education, aren't I?
K

"P Max" wrote in message
...
DUNO probably supplies Santa Barbara as well.
I found some photos of some great cultivars Kathy. See link below. Note
curvicaule "Daylight Moon" has an FCC award. I prefer the colour of
curvecaule "Misty Mountain" and grandiflorum "William", though. Also note
that the grandi's have the bigger flowers - up to 4 inches on some
cultivars, I believe.

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?i...%3Den%26sa%3DG
--
)
"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
I've noted the cultivars! Thanks! Santa Barbara Orchid Estate had some
for sale at the last sale, but I didn't notice the species much les the
cultivars becasue I just wasn't in the market for them, but now I'm
thinking about it! I should look at their site and see what they offer.
DUNO had some too, but I think he only comes here a couple of times a
year.

K Barrett
"P Max" wrote in message
...
There were two active masd. hybridisers in Vic. (now one) Kathy. Both
used M. yungasensis a lot to create the striped mazzies!
If buying thelychitons, I'd stick to those bred from the renowned
cultivars. Some of the thelys can be rank compared with the pedegree
bred ones. Anything with "Daylight Moon"; "Windermere" "Mt Larcom Gold"
and certain others should be good. Other factors to consider inc: The
big yellow grandiflorum forms are magnificent, but may take 20 years to
bloom; For a quicker grower - to blooming size, either curvicaule type
or pendunculatum, takes half the time or less to bloom - I'm not sure
which one it is. Dave or John may know?



"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
I'm continually amazed at the differences between the orchid types they
have in Australia vs what we have here in the US. They have
Australian natives, dends and cymbidiums. We have those plus just
about everything else. But the types of 'other' orchids, for example
their masdevallias, are different from the masds we have here, too.
Sure Peter shows some Falcatas, but beyond those, their tables usually
show stripes and spots that we don't have here. You'd think there'd be
trade routes between us and them, since we do import from Thailand and
SE Asia, but not a lot from Aus/NZ. Weird.

K

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
. ..
What a show, Peter. Eye candy, for sure.

Diana

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Kathy & Peter,
I would love to vent here about this name changing, clumping, splitting
etc.,
I just want to say that my huge Dendrobium speciosum will always be known to
me
as just that.!
Now they are changin the genus & to make it more confusing it is
speciosus???? (See J. Pfahl's)
I feel sorry for anyone with a lazy tongue saying. . . . .Thelychiton
speciosums
http://www.orchidspecies.com/indextuvwxyz.htm#secE
My question is why?
Cheers Wendy
"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
Yeah, I'm going to have to get me one of those (thelychiton) speciosums.
They are just *too* impressive.

K

"P Max" wrote in message
...

The Maribyrnong orchid society staged arguably the best of their 3 or 4
annual orchid shows yesterday. The Maribyrnong Club is based in the
western suburbs of Melbourne, Vic., Australia and has a many members. A
lot of great orchids were on display and most noteworthy were the
Dendrobium (thelychiton) speciosums. The grand prize winner was (yet
again) a bridal veil - Dockrillia teretifolium " Newbold'
Cymbidium Pearl Dawson was very eye catching (Plant photo failed) along
with Cym Ten Pin 'No.1', but Masdevallia pachyura fluttered many a heart
there! Dendrobium speciosum 'Taipan' X 'Watellow' was outstanding.
See link below:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7212964...7601921626189/

Cheers,
Peter



--
)

Wendy,
While you didn't intend to illicit this response from me, please
be patient, read on and endure / suffer the enlightenment.
An Aussy named David Jones B.Ag.Sc., Dip.Hort. had a bit to do
with the genus change of a swathe of Oz orchids. Probably long overdue at
that! Even to this rank amateur, a dockrillia is clearly different to other
dendrobiums, as are the thelychitons. In his relatively new and
comprehensive book "A Complete Guide to Native Orchids of Australia", he
write on page 15 -
"Name Changes: ... are the inevitable result of detailed taxonomic studies
carried out by botanists. Such changes can be frustrating to amateurs who
often have difficulty keeping abreast of the latest names. Recent detailed
molecular studies have become a powerful method for revealing hidden aspects
of the genetic make up of orchids and casting light on ancestral
relationships that are not easily determined by morphological techniques.
These lab techniques are a relatively modern innovation but they are being
taken up rapidly by botanical students in many countries, resulting in name
changes worldwide. Studies of this type provide an extra set of powerful;
data which often compelling support for reclassification and name changes.
Such studies have resulted in a new classification of Australian orchidacea,
the results or which are used in this book." (David Jones)

So there you have the rationale used to justify the changes! But I agree
with him when he says that "such changes can be frustrating..." But tighten
your belt, as this might just be the start of a great many other changes to
come on the world arena of orchid species.

Incidentally, could the temptation to go down in history be another
motivation to change orchid names. I refer to "Davejonesia lichenastrum and
prenticei" pg 385; The "Jonesiopsis" genus from select caladenia /
arachnorchis species Pgs 100 to 117. Opportunistic? Conventional?
egotistical? Draw your own conclusion. Good luck Dave J. You did the hard
work and got in first, as did all the other orcid botanists with genus names
that precede you.

Cheers,
Peter

--
)
"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Thanks for bringing this to my attention Kathy & Peter,
I would love to vent here about this name changing, clumping, splitting
etc.,
I just want to say that my huge Dendrobium speciosum will always be known
to me
as just that.!
Now they are changin the genus & to make it more confusing it is
speciosus???? (See J. Pfahl's)
I feel sorry for anyone with a lazy tongue saying. . . . .Thelychiton
speciosums
http://www.orchidspecies.com/indextuvwxyz.htm#secE
My question is why?
Cheers Wendy
"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
Yeah, I'm going to have to get me one of those (thelychiton) speciosums.
They are just *too* impressive.

K

"P Max" wrote in message
...

The Maribyrnong orchid society staged arguably the best of their 3 or 4
annual orchid shows yesterday. The Maribyrnong Club is based in the
western suburbs of Melbourne, Vic., Australia and has a many members. A
lot of great orchids were on display and most noteworthy were the
Dendrobium (thelychiton) speciosums. The grand prize winner was (yet
again) a bridal veil - Dockrillia teretifolium " Newbold'
Cymbidium Pearl Dawson was very eye catching (Plant photo failed) along
with Cym Ten Pin 'No.1', but Masdevallia pachyura fluttered many a heart
there! Dendrobium speciosum 'Taipan' X 'Watellow' was outstanding.
See link below:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7212964...7601921626189/

Cheers,
Peter



--
)

Hi there Peter,
Many thanks for all this information, quite informative & love hearing from
you.
Keep up the good work,
Cheers Wendy
"P Max" wrote in message
...
Wendy,
While you didn't intend to illicit this response from me,
please be patient, read on and endure / suffer the enlightenment.
An Aussy named David Jones B.Ag.Sc., Dip.Hort. had a bit to do
with the genus change of a swathe of Oz orchids. Probably long overdue at
that! Even to this rank amateur, a dockrillia is clearly different to
other dendrobiums, as are the thelychitons. In his relatively new and
comprehensive book "A Complete Guide to Native Orchids of Australia", he
write on page 15 -
"Name Changes: ... are the inevitable result of detailed taxonomic studies
carried out by botanists. Such changes can be frustrating to amateurs who
often have difficulty keeping abreast of the latest names. Recent detailed
molecular studies have become a powerful method for revealing hidden
aspects of the genetic make up of orchids and casting light on ancestral
relationships that are not easily determined by morphological techniques.
These lab techniques are a relatively modern innovation but they are being
taken up rapidly by botanical students in many countries, resulting in
name changes worldwide. Studies of this type provide an extra set of
powerful; data which often compelling support for reclassification and
name changes. Such studies have resulted in a new classification of
Australian orchidacea, the results or which are used in this book." (David
Jones)

So there you have the rationale used to justify the changes! But I agree
with him when he says that "such changes can be frustrating..." But
tighten your belt, as this might just be the start of a great many other
changes to come on the world arena of orchid species.

Incidentally, could the temptation to go down in history be another
motivation to change orchid names. I refer to "Davejonesia lichenastrum
and prenticei" pg 385; The "Jonesiopsis" genus from select caladenia /
arachnorchis species Pgs 100 to 117. Opportunistic? Conventional?
egotistical? Draw your own conclusion. Good luck Dave J. You did the hard
work and got in first, as did all the other orcid botanists with genus
names that precede you.

Cheers,
Peter

--
)
"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Thanks for bringing this to my attention Kathy & Peter,
I would love to vent here about this name changing, clumping, splitting
etc.,
I just want to say that my huge Dendrobium speciosum will always be known
to me
as just that.!
Now they are changin the genus & to make it more confusing it is
speciosus???? (See J. Pfahl's)
I feel sorry for anyone with a lazy tongue saying. . . . .Thelychiton
speciosums
http://www.orchidspecies.com/indextuvwxyz.htm#secE
My question is why?
Cheers Wendy

How illicit of me to misspell elicit! Mercy please.
The 'spell check' must have let me down! Couldn't be my fault?
Peter
--
)
"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Hi there Peter,
Many thanks for all this information, quite informative & love hearing
from you.
Keep up the good work,
Cheers Wendy
"P Max" wrote in message
...
Wendy,
While you didn't intend to illicit this response from me,
please be patient, read on and endure / suffer the enlightenment.
An Aussy named David Jones B.Ag.Sc., Dip.Hort. had a bit to do
with the genus change of a swathe of Oz orchids. Probably long overdue at
that! Even to this rank amateur, a dockrillia is clearly different to
other dendrobiums, as are the thelychitons. In his relatively new and
comprehensive book "A Complete Guide to Native Orchids of Australia", he
write on page 15 -
"Name Changes: ... are the inevitable result of detailed taxonomic
studies carried out by botanists. Such changes can be frustrating to
amateurs who often have difficulty keeping abreast of the latest names.
Recent detailed molecular studies have become a powerful method for
revealing hidden aspects of the genetic make up of orchids and casting
light on ancestral relationships that are not easily determined by
morphological techniques. These lab techniques are a relatively modern
innovation but they are being taken up rapidly by botanical students in
many countries, resulting in name changes worldwide. Studies of this type
provide an extra set of powerful; data which often compelling support for
reclassification and name changes. Such studies have resulted in a new
classification of Australian orchidacea, the results or which are used in
this book." (David Jones)

So there you have the rationale used to justify the changes! But I agree
with him when he says that "such changes can be frustrating..." But
tighten your belt, as this might just be the start of a great many other
changes to come on the world arena of orchid species.

Incidentally, could the temptation to go down in history be another
motivation to change orchid names. I refer to "Davejonesia lichenastrum
and prenticei" pg 385; The "Jonesiopsis" genus from select caladenia /
arachnorchis species Pgs 100 to 117. Opportunistic? Conventional?
egotistical? Draw your own conclusion. Good luck Dave J. You did the hard
work and got in first, as did all the other orcid botanists with genus
names that precede you.

Cheers,
Peter

--
)
"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
Thanks for bringing this to my attention Kathy & Peter,
I would love to vent here about this name changing, clumping, splitting
etc.,
I just want to say that my huge Dendrobium speciosum will always be
known to me
as just that.!
Now they are changin the genus & to make it more confusing it is
speciosus???? (See J. Pfahl's)
I feel sorry for anyone with a lazy tongue saying. . . . .Thelychiton
speciosums
http://www.orchidspecies.com/indextuvwxyz.htm#secE
My question is why?
Cheers Wendy