....and maybe a bit anal, but...

Please configure your newsgroup client to add your response ABOVE the quoted
message.

When I have been following a thread, it's a PITA to have to scroll down
through tons of quoted info to find your response. I already know what's
been going on, and I want to know YOUR response, and not have to drill down
through what I've already read.

If I'm new to the thread, I'll be happy to dig a bit more.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:35:16 -0400 in Ray wrote:
...and maybe a bit anal, but...

Please configure your newsgroup client to add your response ABOVE the quoted
message.

Alas, that runs counter to the "netiquette" RFC.
If top posting is the preferred method, it should have been
in or added to the charter referenced at newsgroup creation.
On the other hand...

[Complaint Sneeped]

If I'm new to the thread, I'll be happy to dig a bit more.
Well if folks would trim, which is also suggested in the RFC,
it wouldn't be as onerous.
Better newsreaders also tend to have keystrokes to jump
past quoted text.

To be fair, I haven't been anal enough to find the newgroup message
nor see if there is a related charter.
--
Chris Dukes
"The key to effective management is properly timed hovering."

Ray,
I'm with you as far as finding it much easier when the new message is at
the top. However, I've visited other newsgroups, usually briefly when I
needed to find something out. I've seen posters seriously flamed for top
posting. I've been a little leery of top posting since seeing how angry
it makes some people.
Here, in RGO and in the other orchid and gardening groups I read all the
time, I might do either. If I'm 3rd or 4th in line, I'll certainly
follow the trend in that thread. In other words, if a reply has already
been added to the bottom, my post will be below that one.
Oh, one other thing. I'm big on quoting the one part that I have a
comment about and snipping out all other parts. It shows what my comment
relates to and nothing else. I've seen people flamed for doing that too
and I find it hard to understand why.

Steve



Ray wrote:

...and maybe a bit anal, but...

Please configure your newsgroup client to add your response ABOVE the quoted
message.

When I have been following a thread, it's a PITA to have to scroll down
through tons of quoted info to find your response. I already know what's
been going on, and I want to know YOUR response, and not have to drill down
through what I've already read.

If I'm new to the thread, I'll be happy to dig a bit more.

Top-posting is bad??? I've never heard that bit of "netiquette", but then
again, here and abpo are the only groups I frequent.

If we're stuck with that, may I modify my request and suggest that folk take
a second and remove the 3rd- through 99th generations of quoted messages
before they post? It is a waste of time to scroll through 3 pages of quotes
to end up finding the gem of "I guess you're right, Fred. I'll try that."
or "Good one", so I end up NOT reading those messages at all, and probably
miss some good stuff.

Oh well. My bad. I guess I'll have to live with it...

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!

Ray wrote:
Top-posting is bad??? I've never heard that bit of "netiquette", but then
again, here and abpo are the only groups I frequent.

If we're stuck with that, may I modify my request and suggest that folk take
a second and remove the 3rd- through 99th generations of quoted messages
before they post? It is a waste of time to scroll through 3 pages of quotes
to end up finding the gem of "I guess you're right, Fred. I'll try that."
or "Good one", so I end up NOT reading those messages at all, and probably
miss some good stuff.


I always (almost always) post after the quoted message. I don't know
why, but I suspect I've been doing it for 15 years or so... I don't
think I have the mental agility to change now. Of course I always trim
as much as possible from the original message.

I too do not read messages that are a mess of quotations within
quotations. No time or patience for that. *grin*

Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Rob wrote:
........
.........
I too do not read messages that are a mess of quotations within
quotations. No time or patience for that. *grin*

Rob


That reminds me of another little pet peeve. I sometimes I look at a
post with layers of quoted posts and I actually can't find where the
sender added anything. Sometimes I swear they forgot to write anything
but usually it's because they didn't bother to tap the enter key once or
twice to make a little space between the quote and what they wrote.

Steve

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:57:03 -0400, Rob
wrote:

I always (almost always) post after the quoted message. I don't know
why, but I suspect I've been doing it for 15 years or so... I don't
think I have the mental agility to change now. Of course I always trim
as much as possible from the original message.

I too do not read messages that are a mess of quotations within
quotations. No time or patience for that. *grin*

Rob

Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit


And Here I thought you did it because the rules were in a "sig block"
and would post at the bottom. That is why I don't top post.
I like to see my 'Sig Block' below my comment.
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids

"Rob" wrote in message
...
[snip] I always (almost always) post after the quoted message. I don't
know
why, but I suspect I've been doing it for 15 years or so... [snip] Rob

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit


I always thought it was so your sig file would show, LOL!!

K

Therein lies the problem: Lack of conformity resulting in confusion
when trying to (a) follow a thread and (b) decipher who a poster is
replying to. Bottom posting is traditionally the domain of
newsgroups/usenet, as it gives newcomers to the thread an easy to read,
chronological order of the text and means you don't have to keep
scrolling up and down trying to catch up. Top posting is traditionally
the domain of email, where the reader should already know what has
already been said because chances are they wrote it.

Rob wrote:
Ray wrote:

Or should I have put the line about middle posting here.

Top-posting is bad??? I've never heard that bit of "netiquette", but then
again, here and abpo are the only groups I frequent.


It can get confusing when people don't edit replies. The real confusion
with top posting comes when people try to respond to individual
statements by posting in the middle of quoted text.

If we're stuck with that, may I modify my request and suggest that folk take
a second and remove the 3rd- through 99th generations of quoted messages
before they post? It is a waste of time to scroll through 3 pages of quotes
to end up finding the gem of "I guess you're right, Fred. I'll try that."
or "Good one", so I end up NOT reading those messages at all, and probably
miss some good stuff.

That's the real bane of reading newsgroups. Solved very easily if
people remembered a little thing like SNIP. Of course, if people
can't be bothered scrolling down to the bottom of the post to produce
an easy to follow written discussion, it's hard to claim the moral
highground over people who can't be bothered deleting irrelevant quoted
text.



Me too

I always (almost always) post after the quoted message. I don't know
why, but I suspect I've been doing it for 15 years or so... I don't
think I have the mental agility to change now. Of course I always trim
as much as possible from the original message.

Sorry, I meant me too.
SNIP

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:32:58 -0400 in Ray wrote:
Top-posting is bad??? I've never heard that bit of "netiquette", but then
again, here and abpo are the only groups I frequent.

By default top-posting is bad unless there is something existing counter
to it.
Reasonable back when USENET was largely UUCP transported,
lower traffic, and less reliable.

If we're stuck with that, may I modify my request and suggest that folk take
a second and remove the 3rd- through 99th generations of quoted messages
before they post? It is a waste of time to scroll through 3 pages of quotes

People are lazy selfish critters that can't be arsed to trim
which is the OTHER part of the RFC.
(Which is requisite when traffic is going over slow modem
links going frequently via long distance telephone).

Oh well. My bad. I guess I'll have to live with it...

Take to flaming and complaining to the ISP of folks that
don't trim :-).



--
Chris Dukes
"The key to effective management is properly timed hovering."

"Ray" wrote in message
. ..
Top-posting is bad??? I've never heard that bit of "netiquette", but
then again, here and abpo are the only groups I frequent.
[snip]

Ah! You child! You should read rec.arts.marijuana and *really* meet some
paranoid types!!

K Barrett

Testing
Joe T

Ray wrote:
...and maybe a bit anal, but...

Please configure your newsgroup client to add your response ABOVE the quoted
message.

When I have been following a thread, it's a PITA to have to scroll down
through tons of quoted info to find your response. I already know what's
been going on, and I want to know YOUR response, and not have to drill down
through what I've already read.

If I'm new to the thread, I'll be happy to dig a bit more.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!

Test
Joe T
Ray wrote:
...and maybe a bit anal, but...

Please configure your newsgroup client to add your response ABOVE the quoted
message.

When I have been following a thread, it's a PITA to have to scroll down
through tons of quoted info to find your response. I already know what's
been going on, and I want to know YOUR response, and not have to drill down
through what I've already read.

If I'm new to the thread, I'll be happy to dig a bit more.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!

Joe T wrote:
Test
Joe T
Ray wrote:
...and maybe a bit anal, but...

Please configure your newsgroup client to add your response ABOVE the quoted
message.

When I have been following a thread, it's a PITA to have to scroll down
through tons of quoted info to find your response. I already know what's
been going on, and I want to know YOUR response, and not have to drill down
through what I've already read.

If I'm new to the thread, I'll be happy to dig a bit more.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!

Quoted from GOOGLE Help

"How can I automatically quote the previous message when I post a
reply?

If you are replying to a post in a Usenet newsgroup, both the "Reply"
link at the bottom of the post and the one under "show options" at the
top of the post will quote the full text of the previous message in the
composition window.

If you are replying to a post in a Google Group, you can select either
the "Reply with quote" link at the bottom of the post or the "Reply"
link under "show options" at the top of the post. The full text of the
previous message is included in the composition box and marked with
angle brackets () at the start of each line. You can place your
comments between lines of the quote or simply add your thoughts at the
bottom."

Clear as mud (not Aussie Gold") right. I come here through a GOOGLE
group, do not all of you? Maybe not. I don't know what you are seeing
when I post but I see my comment plus "-see quoted text-". Seldom do I
post the text I am replying to unless it seems needed. At least I think
I do that ;-)). I am not a great reader of instructions.For instance, I
seldom Preview my posts, hell I just wrote it! So it goes.

Ray thanks for bringing up this topic, many may be hacked about it and
reluctant to speak.

Joe T

Even better don't quote at all. Or at least edit the quote to the relevent
parts. Dont need to reread the same post 20 times in a thread.