No - You don't pay - the record goes in the trash. The slide too (all
36- or so copies); the slides eat about 1/2 the cost of the award
registration. You and your plants are banned from AOS judging.

On 5 Dec 2006 06:50:42 -0800, wrote:


tennis maynard wrote:


Perhaps I don't get it at all. I thought an 'award' was something you
GAVE in recognition of some positive aspect or achievement. Not SOLD or
CHARGED for. I've never gotten it, and I never will. It's just stupid on
the face of it and more and more people are coming around to my way of
thinking it seems.


what tennis said. i never knew you had to pay for these silly things
until coming on here and reading y'all's posts. that's just ridiculous
(IMHO

however, if you decide not to pay for the award or the slides or
whatever, has your plant still won? is it still on record somewhere as
having won? (you can tell from the question i know nothing about this
process.

--j_a
SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/orchids

I'm out of the loop on that front, so I don't know the reason why.

Politics.

Diana

Yeah, Diana, they also have (had?) a person (or maybe it's a committee) who
supposedly works on AOS relationships with growers by coming up with ways to
"support" us. The "programs" they came up with all looked to me like more
opportunities to donate to AOS.

The major thrust of grower reaction in this area has been to develop
alternatives to AOS-judged shows (my schedule for this season has 3 OS shows
and 7 "other" non-AOS-judged events). But I am interested in learning how
to prevent AOS from judging my displays at the 3 OS shows, the option has
never been offered. Diana, how would that work at the PSL show? Or would
there be a negative reaction from the OS, jeopardizing my tenure? Kenni

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Down here, the AOS has formed the South Florida Leadership Council for
Society Reps. The Reps who go seem to think that their input is of value.
Not to denigrate their service, because I value the time these volunteers
put in, but I don't think AOS is listening. IMO, it's a feel good effort.
AOS brass who attend these meetings do not even want to entertain the idea
that dues might be a problem, even though it's so obvious. Lee Cooke
seemed to be trying, but he's *out*. Maybe because he seemed to be trying?
Or maybe it was only part of the overall effort to woo the Societies.

I wondered if there was some sort of a link between the AOS stopping selling
books and instead referring people to Amazon and the Canadian bookseller(
sorry I forget its name although I'm on their email list) I didn't know if
they were pulling back on all sorts of fronts, the bookstore being another
front to pull back on. It may have been a money losing proposition to
buy/store all the inventory for the books/gifts department.

K

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
I'm out of the loop on that front, so I don't know the reason why.

Politics.

Diana

I *think* (yeah, I know - dangerous activity) that you can accomplish the no
judging option by simply not registering the plants or the display. That
would not prevent an individual plant from being pulled for AOS point
judging, though. A sign, maybe? The closest I've ever gotten to registration
was this fall, when we were deciding on software. I plan to keep it that
way, LOL!

I can't honestly tell you how anyone else would feel if you do that. For my
part, what I would be concerned about is the possibility that other growers
might follow suit. As you know, we've chosen to continue to present an AOS
sanctioned and judged event, and we're pretty committed to that. The
Societies which display do so in hopes of getting AOS recognition, and
non-members often bring plants for the I table, increasing the number of
orchids the public gets to see. And face it: people like recognition.

For all the discussion and dissatisfaction voiced in this thread, people
around here are reluctant to participate in non-AOS shows. I pulled some
teeth to get our team together to do one earlier this year, and I'm not a
bit sure I could pull it off again. Installing a floor display takes some
work, to say nothing of hauling staging, plants, etc.

So, I don't know what the reaction would be. Probably it would be best to
contact Laurie.

Diana

"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
...
Yeah, Diana, they also have (had?) a person (or maybe it's a committee)
who supposedly works on AOS relationships with growers by coming up with
ways to "support" us. The "programs" they came up with all looked to me
like more opportunities to donate to AOS.

The major thrust of grower reaction in this area has been to develop
alternatives to AOS-judged shows (my schedule for this season has 3 OS
shows and 7 "other" non-AOS-judged events). But I am interested in
learning how to prevent AOS from judging my displays at the 3 OS shows,
the option has never been offered. Diana, how would that work at the PSL
show? Or would there be a negative reaction from the OS, jeopardizing my
tenure? Kenni

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Down here, the AOS has formed the South Florida Leadership Council for
Society Reps. The Reps who go seem to think that their input is of value.
Not to denigrate their service, because I value the time these volunteers
put in, but I don't think AOS is listening. IMO, it's a feel good effort.
AOS brass who attend these meetings do not even want to entertain the
idea that dues might be a problem, even though it's so obvious. Lee Cooke
seemed to be trying, but he's *out*. Maybe because he seemed to be
trying? Or maybe it was only part of the overall effort to woo the
Societies.

Kenni, just put a sign (prominently) on your display saying "No AOS" or
"Not for AOS Judging". Judges will respect that. During set up you may or
may not have to personally tell the head of AOS judging that you don't want
AOS to judge your plants or display. S/he'll respect your decision, too.
No big thing. The bigger thing is if you *don't* put the sign up
beforehand.

K Barrett


"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
...
Yeah, Diana, they also have (had?) a person (or maybe it's a committee)
who supposedly works on AOS relationships with growers by coming up with
ways to "support" us. The "programs" they came up with all looked to me
like more opportunities to donate to AOS.

The major thrust of grower reaction in this area has been to develop
alternatives to AOS-judged shows (my schedule for this season has 3 OS
shows and 7 "other" non-AOS-judged events). But I am interested in
learning how to prevent AOS from judging my displays at the 3 OS shows,
the option has never been offered. Diana, how would that work at the PSL
show? Or would there be a negative reaction from the OS, jeopardizing my
tenure? Kenni

Y'know, Kath, how many books could they have been selling, since they were
asking jacket price? Who pays full price for books anymore? I've purchased
books as trophies, and Amazon sells for a fraction of what AOS was charging.

Diana

"K Barrett" wrote in message
news
I wondered if there was some sort of a link between the AOS stopping
selling books and instead referring people to Amazon and the Canadian
bookseller( sorry I forget its name although I'm on their email list) I
didn't know if they were pulling back on all sorts of fronts, the bookstore
being another front to pull back on. It may have been a money losing
proposition to buy/store all the inventory for the books/gifts department.

K

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
I'm out of the loop on that front, so I don't know the reason why.

Politics.

Diana

No, Kath. That wasn't me.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
Ray, didn't you have some sort of a statistic about the number of orchid
growers and the number in the AOS?

I wonder if just placing an ad in all the local societies' newsletters
would be a better use of advertising dollars.... but then again we have
sooo many societies here in N Calif, which not many other areas can say.
( I think there are 12-15 in my newsletter editor file, and that doesn't
include the specialist groups like cymbidium or pleurothallid groups or
the groups whose newsletter editors aren't online.)

K Barrett

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:1f3dh.926$R_1.286@trndny08...
Yeah Kenni, I agree.

Despite some advertising investment, the only business benefit I have
realized was due to Charles Rhodes' recent article.

I have AOS Bulletins dating back to the late '70's, but find the newer
ones far less interesting and worthy of saving.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
...
Ray: I think the dues increase is the biggest factor, but I agree there
are probably others as well. You can chalk up at least 50, probably
closer to 100, non-renewals to south Florida nursery owners due to (1)
AOS behavior when it moved its HQ down here and (2) the increased cost
of advertising in the re-formatted version of the mag. I realize that's
only a drop in the bucket -- but it ties in with other issues that
negatively affect local orchid societies, or at least the ones in this
area (IMO).

The number will go down by one more when my current membership expires.
Not only can I no longer afford to advertise in the mag, I haven't read
past the Table of Contents of the last several issues I've received.
Nor do I keep them on file any longer; I donate them to anyone who will
take them off my hands at every opportunity. I know that the majority
of the content (besides ads) needs to be directed to newbies, but back
when it was the AOSB, I used to find at least one or two interesting
articles in most issues.

Kenni

I agree. I always buy at Amazon or via their used book store. I understood
there was some sort of space issues at the headquarters. Storing gifts in
space that could have been used for other purposes. Admittedly I'm not sure
what Lee Cooke had to do with the store and its operations, but I think he
was championing that program, and may have finally had to bite the bullet
and pull the plug, like all of us in business seem to be doing these days.
(Lordy, I don't know where the Feds come up with their economic data these
days, it sure isn't reflected in Calif, LOL!) Anyway, in corporate worlds
that sort of reorganizing is often seen as 'failure' isn't it? (Never
having been in corporate work I really don't know and should keep my mouth
shut.) So I'll take my own advice and shut up on the subject.

K

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Y'know, Kath, how many books could they have been selling, since they were
asking jacket price? Who pays full price for books anymore? I've purchased
books as trophies, and Amazon sells for a fraction of what AOS was
charging.

Diana

"K Barrett" wrote in message
news
I wondered if there was some sort of a link between the AOS stopping
selling books and instead referring people to Amazon and the Canadian
bookseller( sorry I forget its name although I'm on their email list) I
didn't know if they were pulling back on all sorts of fronts, the
bookstore being another front to pull back on. It may have been a money
losing proposition to buy/store all the inventory for the books/gifts
department.

K

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
I'm out of the loop on that front, so I don't know the reason why.

Politics.

Diana

OK
K

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:qjpdh.1991$QD3.454@trndny01...
No, Kath. That wasn't me.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!