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What is a Dendrobium?
Does anyone subscribe to The Orchadian? With Jones and
Clements' recent revision of the genus Dendrobium does anyone know which species are still Dendrobiums? Am I correct in thinking the genus now contains only those species formerly classed in the section Dendrobium ie nobile and its relatives? Does anyone know if the revision has been formally published yet? Andrew |
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What is a Dendrobium?
a weed.
Mick |
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What is a Dendrobium?
How widely accepted is Jones and Clements revision? Even the removal of some
Dends into Dockrilla seems to be sort of unaccepted. K Barrett "Andrew" wrote in message ... Does anyone subscribe to The Orchadian? With Jones and Clements' recent revision of the genus Dendrobium does anyone know which species are still Dendrobiums? Am I correct in thinking the genus now contains only those species formerly classed in the section Dendrobium ie nobile and its relatives? Does anyone know if the revision has been formally published yet? Andrew |
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What is a Dendrobium?
Hi Andrew:
This is the first I've heard of this and am very interested in more info. Mick: A WEED??? A WEED??? HUMPH!!! You haven't even got taste in your mouth. S V "Mick Fournier" wrote in message ... a weed. Mick |
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What is a Dendrobium?
Did a quick search online by just placeing the names Jones and clements and
genus dendrobium in the google search engine. Yeilded some interesting stuff. There is a page on OrcidSafari wayyyy at the bottom, with a discussion of dockrillia Another link came up with Clements, M. A. and Jones, D. L. 1997. Cannaeorchis, a new genus of Dendrobiinae (Orchidaceae) for the taxon previously known as Dendrobium Sw. sect. Macrocladium Schltr. Lasianthera 1(3): 132-147. Comber, J. B. and Wood, J. J. 1999. Dendrobium ayubii, a new member of section Formosae from Sumatra. Orchid Rev. 107(1226): 89-91. K Barrett "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. How widely accepted is Jones and Clements revision? Even the removal of some Dends into Dockrilla seems to be sort of unaccepted. K Barrett "Andrew" wrote in message ... Does anyone subscribe to The Orchadian? With Jones and Clements' recent revision of the genus Dendrobium does anyone know which species are still Dendrobiums? Am I correct in thinking the genus now contains only those species formerly classed in the section Dendrobium ie nobile and its relatives? Does anyone know if the revision has been formally published yet? Andrew |
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What is a Dendrobium?
SV,
I stand firm by my first assessment. Mick |
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What is a Dendrobium?
I expected you to. Thankfully there are enough different kinds, types
and styles of orchids to satisfy almost everyone's tastes. Even those without. Take care guy. S V "Mick Fournier" wrote in message ... SV, I stand firm by my first assessment. Mick |
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What is a Dendrobium?
I keep 3 den's that are also refered to as Dockrillias and also spend
a lot of time looking through much info on Dend's looking for more species of interest to me. I am constantly running into references to attempts to split off individual species and/or sections from the Dendrobium Genus. I am not any kind of an authority on the subject and do not have any real interest in the naming or classifying wars. All I am interested in is finding more orchids that apeal to me and will do reasonably well in my growing conditions. With that said, the diversity of the Dend genera will no doubt always cause squabbling over the proper classifications of those grouped within this genus. Even when some have been split off there always seems to be dissent and their proper location is still in doubt, for me anyway. Take a look he http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/G.../Den-start.htm The thoroughness of this sites listings may be disputable. I don't know, but it never the less is formidable. The number of sections in Dendrobium is staggering. It's almost as if they've used sections to avoid reclassifying into separate genera. I'm suprised Bulbo's managed to escape. I think they did. But then, I'm not sure. My "feeling", for what it's worth, is that any reclassifying of members of Dendrobium will take many years for it to finally gain acceptance by a majority of those whose opinions really matter in resolving this question. I suppose this can be catagorized as the rantings of one that is totally ignotrant of the subject. It would probably be right. But I did get it said. I'm happy. S V "K Barrett" wrote in message ... How widely accepted is Jones and Clements revision? Even the removal of some Dends into Dockrilla seems to be sort of unaccepted. K Barrett "Andrew" wrote in message ... Does anyone subscribe to The Orchadian? With Jones and Clements' recent revision of the genus Dendrobium does anyone know which species are still Dendrobiums? Am I correct in thinking the genus now contains only those species formerly classed in the section Dendrobium ie nobile and its relatives? Does anyone know if the revision has been formally published yet? Andrew |
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What is a Dendrobium?
Thanks for the site! I had been looking for that one again. I like his
break down for the different sections, and I refer to it - when I can find it - whenever I need to figure out what dends belong where. (I now have it bookmarked so I won't lose it again.) Bulbos are now under attack by the taxonomic hounds of war. Lord knows where all this will shake out. The last AOS Awards Quarterly had whole sections with taxonomic synonyms awarded - now if that won't make your hair curl I don't know what will. Den obtusisepalum is now Den chrysoptera and I have to remember both names... arrgh. Drives me batty. K Barrett "solo_voyager" wrote in message om... I keep 3 den's that are also refered to as Dockrillias and also spend a lot of time looking through much info on Dend's looking for more species of interest to me. I am constantly running into references to attempts to split off individual species and/or sections from the Dendrobium Genus. I am not any kind of an authority on the subject and do not have any real interest in the naming or classifying wars. All I am interested in is finding more orchids that apeal to me and will do reasonably well in my growing conditions. With that said, the diversity of the Dend genera will no doubt always cause squabbling over the proper classifications of those grouped within this genus. Even when some have been split off there always seems to be dissent and their proper location is still in doubt, for me anyway. Take a look he http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/G.../Den-start.htm The thoroughness of this sites listings may be disputable. I don't know, but it never the less is formidable. The number of sections in Dendrobium is staggering. It's almost as if they've used sections to avoid reclassifying into separate genera. I'm suprised Bulbo's managed to escape. I think they did. But then, I'm not sure. My "feeling", for what it's worth, is that any reclassifying of members of Dendrobium will take many years for it to finally gain acceptance by a majority of those whose opinions really matter in resolving this question. I suppose this can be catagorized as the rantings of one that is totally ignotrant of the subject. It would probably be right. But I did get it said. I'm happy. S V "K Barrett" wrote in message ... How widely accepted is Jones and Clements revision? Even the removal of some Dends into Dockrilla seems to be sort of unaccepted. K Barrett "Andrew" wrote in message ... Does anyone subscribe to The Orchadian? With Jones and Clements' recent revision of the genus Dendrobium does anyone know which species are still Dendrobiums? Am I correct in thinking the genus now contains only those species formerly classed in the section Dendrobium ie nobile and its relatives? Does anyone know if the revision has been formally published yet? Andrew |
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What is a Dendrobium?
My server/newsreader doesn't seem to be loading Solo Voyager
and Kathy Barrett's replies so I'll give a combined reply to both. Australian orchid genera are in the middle of a series of taxonomic revisions. Genera like Caladenia and Corybas have been split as have many species. Dendrobium seems to have got caught up in this as well although it probably was somewhat necessary. David Jones and Mark Clements are quite well known in Australian orchid research and are amongst the taxonomists carrying out these revisions. The revision was published in an issue of last years Orchadian (the ANOS Journal). Most of what I've heard has been filtered through the Victorian ANOS group's journal. I haven't actually seen the issue (hence my question). The problem is the Orchadian is not a peer reviewed journal and the article was not a formal manuscript. It was published as a precursor to the formal revision and according to the article the manuscript is to be formally published in the future. The publication was rushed so that the revision would be published prior to that of another group. Regardless of the dubious nature of the publication, local growers and botanists seem to think the revision will be accepted. KB: Dockrillia is now pretty much an accepted genus in Australia. However, under the RHS Dockrillia hybrids are still registered as Dendrobiums. This will surely be the case for hybrids of the revised Dendrobium species. |
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What is a Dendrobium?
Mick Fournier wrote:
a weed. Mick Personally, I'd save the glypho for the Catts and Phals. |
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What is a Dendrobium?
Thank you Andrew for your clarification.
Seems Selby Gardens isn't the only one caught up in a rush to publish their finding before another group does. (that refers to the Phrag kovachii/peruvianum troubles here in the States). I had noticed that the RHS wasn't using Dockrillia, however Julian Shaw seems to be clearing up a lot of taxonomic backlog, and maybe Dockrillia is among the genera to be dealt with. I wonder if you'd get a better answer at the Orchid Guide Digest? Its been revitalized. You may have to resubscribe and (of course) I don't have that link off the top of my head. It used to be associated with Akerne Orchids in (Belgium??). There's probably a current link there. K Barrett "Andrew" wrote in message ... My server/newsreader doesn't seem to be loading Solo Voyager and Kathy Barrett's replies so I'll give a combined reply to both. Australian orchid genera are in the middle of a series of taxonomic revisions. Genera like Caladenia and Corybas have been split as have many species. Dendrobium seems to have got caught up in this as well although it probably was somewhat necessary. David Jones and Mark Clements are quite well known in Australian orchid research and are amongst the taxonomists carrying out these revisions. The revision was published in an issue of last years Orchadian (the ANOS Journal). Most of what I've heard has been filtered through the Victorian ANOS group's journal. I haven't actually seen the issue (hence my question). The problem is the Orchadian is not a peer reviewed journal and the article was not a formal manuscript. It was published as a precursor to the formal revision and according to the article the manuscript is to be formally published in the future. The publication was rushed so that the revision would be published prior to that of another group. Regardless of the dubious nature of the publication, local growers and botanists seem to think the revision will be accepted. KB: Dockrillia is now pretty much an accepted genus in Australia. However, under the RHS Dockrillia hybrids are still registered as Dendrobiums. This will surely be the case for hybrids of the revised Dendrobium species. |
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What is a Dendrobium?
Excelent suggestion K.B. Andrew should be able to obtain some
authoritive answers to his question from the OGD. I'll watch for it with interest. Thx "K Barrett" wrote in message . net... Thank you Andrew for your clarification. Seems Selby Gardens isn't the only one caught up in a rush to publish their finding before another group does. (that refers to the Phrag kovachii/peruvianum troubles here in the States). I had noticed that the RHS wasn't using Dockrillia, however Julian Shaw seems to be clearing up a lot of taxonomic backlog, and maybe Dockrillia is among the genera to be dealt with. I wonder if you'd get a better answer at the Orchid Guide Digest? Its been revitalized. You may have to resubscribe and (of course) I don't have that link off the top of my head. It used to be associated with Akerne Orchids in (Belgium??). There's probably a current link there. |
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What is a Dendrobium?
"K Barrett" wrote:
I wonder if you'd get a better answer at the Orchid Guide Digest? Its been revitalized. You may have to resubscribe and (of course) I don't have that link off the top of my head. It used to be associated with Akerne Orchids in (Belgium??). There's probably a current link there. Thanks. I'll try redirecting my question there. |
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