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15-05-2004, 03:03 PM
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Award on tag but......?
Can you have an award without a clonal name?
eg. C. walkeriana X L. sincorana HCC/AOS -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply |
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15-05-2004, 04:11 PM
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Award on tag but......?
No. The AOS requires that you provide a cultivar name to distinguish it from others.
A label such as that indicates that the pollen parent was a plant that had an HCC, not which particular cultivar that was. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "wendy7" wrote in message news:FZopc.27656$5a.18522@okepread03... Can you have an award without a clonal name? eg. C. walkeriana X L. sincorana HCC/AOS -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply |
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#3
15-05-2004, 04:11 PM
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Award on tag but......?
Thanks Ray, so the pollen parent comes first on the tag no? So
then shouldn't the award be after the first plant in the cross? -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: No. The AOS requires that you provide a cultivar name to distinguish it from others. A label such as that indicates that the pollen parent was a plant that had an HCC, not which particular cultivar that was. . . . . . . . . . . . "wendy7" wrote in message news:FZopc.27656$5a.18522@okepread03... Can you have an award without a clonal name? eg. C. walkeriana X L. sincorana HCC/AOS -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply |
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15-05-2004, 05:04 PM
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Award on tag but......?
No, Wendy, the pollen parent is supposed to come first. However, if the
plant were registered, the reciprocal cross would get the same name [you would have to maintain the parentage info to know which way it went]. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "wendy7" wrote in message news:Qdqpc.27681$5a.8167@okepread03... Thanks Ray, so the pollen parent comes first on the tag no? So then shouldn't the award be after the first plant in the cross? -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: No. The AOS requires that you provide a cultivar name to distinguish it from others. A label such as that indicates that the pollen parent was a plant that had an HCC, not which particular cultivar that was. . . . . . . . . . . . "wendy7" wrote in message news:FZopc.27656$5a.18522@okepread03... Can you have an award without a clonal name? eg. C. walkeriana X L. sincorana HCC/AOS -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply |
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#5
15-05-2004, 06:06 PM
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Award on tag but......?
Oops! I should have said that the "pod parent" had an HCC, but you don't know which one.
Even if the cross that was given a provisional award, it would need a cultivar name as well, as in Lc. (C. walkeriana x L. sincorana) 'My Plant' HCC/AOS (provisional) -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... No, Wendy, the pollen parent is supposed to come first. However, if the plant were registered, the reciprocal cross would get the same name [you would have to maintain the parentage info to know which way it went]. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "wendy7" wrote in message news:Qdqpc.27681$5a.8167@okepread03... Thanks Ray, so the pollen parent comes first on the tag no? So then shouldn't the award be after the first plant in the cross? -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: No. The AOS requires that you provide a cultivar name to distinguish it from others. A label such as that indicates that the pollen parent was a plant that had an HCC, not which particular cultivar that was. . . . . . . . . . . . "wendy7" wrote in message news:FZopc.27656$5a.18522@okepread03... Can you have an award without a clonal name? eg. C. walkeriana X L. sincorana HCC/AOS -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply |
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#6
15-05-2004, 08:07 PM
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Award on tag but......?
BTW, this cross is named Lc Love Knot. A cute little thing that has been
remade many a times. Pat "Ray" wrote in message ... Oops! I should have said that the "pod parent" had an HCC, but you don't know which one. Even if the cross that was given a provisional award, it would need a cultivar name as well, as in Lc. (C. walkeriana x L. sincorana) 'My Plant' HCC/AOS (provisional) -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... No, Wendy, the pollen parent is supposed to come first. However, if the plant were registered, the reciprocal cross would get the same name [you would have to maintain the parentage info to know which way it went]. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "wendy7" wrote in message news:Qdqpc.27681$5a.8167@okepread03... Thanks Ray, so the pollen parent comes first on the tag no? So then shouldn't the award be after the first plant in the cross? -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: No. The AOS requires that you provide a cultivar name to distinguish it from others. A label such as that indicates that the pollen parent was a plant that had an HCC, not which particular cultivar that was. . . . . . . . . . . . "wendy7" wrote in message news:FZopc.27656$5a.18522@okepread03... Can you have an award without a clonal name? eg. C. walkeriana X L. sincorana HCC/AOS -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply |
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#7
15-05-2004, 08:07 PM
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Award on tag but......?
Correction: Sorry, I apparently mis-typed. The _pod_ parent is supposed to
come first. [I could swear that's what I typed G]. But in actual practice, this is often unknown, esp. with crosses, like Love Knot, that have been re-made more than once. For example, if I got in a batch of Love Knot, they would probably be labelled only with that name, and not with the actual parentage as well. So for purposes of giving parentage on my tags, I go with the way it was first registered, but it is always possible that that particular batch could have been made by the reciprocal cross. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... No, Wendy, the pollen parent is supposed to come first. However, if the plant were registered, the reciprocal cross would get the same name [you would have to maintain the parentage info to know which way it went]. |
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#8
16-05-2004, 04:06 AM
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Award on tag but......?
Hoo boy.
Isn't in "Pollen" on "Pod"?? Actually, now that I think of it, the RHS form had the "seed" parent first, so my original guess of Pod x Pollen was apparently correct/ -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... Correction: Sorry, I apparently mis-typed. The _pod_ parent is supposed to come first. [I could swear that's what I typed G]. But in actual practice, this is often unknown, esp. with crosses, like Love Knot, that have been re-made more than once. For example, if I got in a batch of Love Knot, they would probably be labelled only with that name, and not with the actual parentage as well. So for purposes of giving parentage on my tags, I go with the way it was first registered, but it is always possible that that particular batch could have been made by the reciprocal cross. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... No, Wendy, the pollen parent is supposed to come first. However, if the plant were registered, the reciprocal cross would get the same name [you would have to maintain the parentage info to know which way it went]. |
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#9
16-05-2004, 05:04 AM
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Award on tag but......?
Thank you so much Pat, this info certainly helps my confusion! *g*
-- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Pat Brennan wrote: BTW, this cross is named Lc Love Knot. A cute little thing that has been remade many a times. Pat "Ray" wrote in message ... Oops! I should have said that the "pod parent" had an HCC, but you don't know which one. Even if the cross that was given a provisional award, it would need a cultivar name as well, as in Lc. (C. walkeriana x L. sincorana) 'My Plant' HCC/AOS (provisional) -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... No, Wendy, the pollen parent is supposed to come first. However, if the plant were registered, the reciprocal cross would get the same name [you would have to maintain the parentage info to know which way it went]. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "wendy7" wrote in message news:Qdqpc.27681$5a.8167@okepread03... Thanks Ray, so the pollen parent comes first on the tag no? So then shouldn't the award be after the first plant in the cross? -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: No. The AOS requires that you provide a cultivar name to distinguish it from others. A label such as that indicates that the pollen parent was a plant that had an HCC, not which particular cultivar that was. . . . . . . . . . . . "wendy7" wrote in message news:FZopc.27656$5a.18522@okepread03... Can you have an award without a clonal name? eg. C. walkeriana X L. sincorana HCC/AOS -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply |
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#10
16-05-2004, 05:05 AM
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Award on tag but......?
Thanks Ray, now I am not as confused as I was before???? *g*
-- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: Hoo boy. Isn't in "Pollen" on "Pod"?? Actually, now that I think of it, the RHS form had the "seed" parent first, so my original guess of Pod x Pollen was apparently correct/ . . . . . . . . . . . "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... Correction: Sorry, I apparently mis-typed. The _pod_ parent is supposed to come first. [I could swear that's what I typed G]. But in actual practice, this is often unknown, esp. with crosses, like Love Knot, that have been re-made more than once. For example, if I got in a batch of Love Knot, they would probably be labelled only with that name, and not with the actual parentage as well. So for purposes of giving parentage on my tags, I go with the way it was first registered, but it is always possible that that particular batch could have been made by the reciprocal cross. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... No, Wendy, the pollen parent is supposed to come first. However, if the plant were registered, the reciprocal cross would get the same name [you would have to maintain the parentage info to know which way it went]. |
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16-05-2004, 05:05 AM
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Award on tag but......?
Ha! I was going to ask you if you were confused again but I see you
answered before I asked. ;-) Steve wendy7 wrote: Thanks Ray, now I am not as confused as I was before???? *g* |
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#12
16-05-2004, 04:04 PM
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Award on tag but......?
Just remember the basic ettiquette: ladies first.
K Barrett "wendy7" wrote in message news:9ZApc.29253$5a.6634@okepread03... Thanks Ray, now I am not as confused as I was before???? *g* -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: Hoo boy. Isn't in "Pollen" on "Pod"?? Actually, now that I think of it, the RHS form had the "seed" parent first, so my original guess of Pod x Pollen was apparently correct/ . . . . . . . . . . . "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... Correction: Sorry, I apparently mis-typed. The _pod_ parent is supposed to come first. [I could swear that's what I typed G]. But in actual practice, this is often unknown, esp. with crosses, like Love Knot, that have been re-made more than once. For example, if I got in a batch of Love Knot, they would probably be labelled only with that name, and not with the actual parentage as well. So for purposes of giving parentage on my tags, I go with the way it was first registered, but it is always possible that that particular batch could have been made by the reciprocal cross. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... No, Wendy, the pollen parent is supposed to come first. However, if the plant were registered, the reciprocal cross would get the same name [you would have to maintain the parentage info to know which way it went]. |
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17-05-2004, 05:06 AM
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Award on tag but......?
K Barrett wrote: Just remember the basic ettiquette: ladies first. K Barrett Perfect! Now we all have no excuse for ever forgetting again. (Right, Wendy?) Steve |
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#14
17-05-2004, 05:18 PM
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Award on tag but......?
yes, "ladies first"
I knew I couldn't be the only one to use this mnemonic to remember the capsule/pollen parent order of a cross. Wendy, Queen of the Misfit Tag, strikes again. It's like the Island of Misfit Toys. Your greenhouse is the "'Greenhouse of Misfit Tags". Or maybe I am thinking about Wendy6 or even Wendy5. I get confused. C. walkeriana X L. sincorana HCC/AOS You can not know why that HCC is stuck there based on the way the tag is written. It could mean (C. walkeriana X L. sincorana) 'Missing Cultivar Name' HCC/AOS, which would refer to the award being granted to a cultivar of the grex Lc Love Knot (C. walkeriana X L. sincorana) but without that cultivar name, the HCC means nothing. Lc Love knot has four or five different 'cultivars' with an HCC. Since the RHS lists the original grex parents of LC Love Knot as (L. sincorana x C. walkeriana) you can assume you are probably talking about a remake of the cross that reverses the parents. However, ever since the original grex registration was accepted those two parent species, no matter which order they are used in the hybrid make the grex Lc. Love Knot. or it could be (C. walkeriana X L. sincorana 'Missing Pollen Parent Cultivar Name', HCC/AOS) which would mean somebody put pollen from an awarded L. sincorana on the capsule of an unnamed cultivar of C. walkeriana. But without that cultivar name, that award designation means nothing. L sincorana has six named cultivars that received an HCC. "K Barrett" wrote in message news:Q1Lpc.58160$536.9908732@attbi_s03... Just remember the basic ettiquette: ladies first. K Barrett "wendy7" wrote in message news:9ZApc.29253$5a.6634@okepread03... Thanks Ray, now I am not as confused as I was before???? *g* -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: Hoo boy. Isn't in "Pollen" on "Pod"?? Actually, now that I think of it, the RHS form had the "seed" parent first, so my original guess of Pod x Pollen was apparently correct/ . . . . . . . . . . . "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... Correction: Sorry, I apparently mis-typed. The _pod_ parent is supposed to come first. [I could swear that's what I typed G]. But in actual practice, this is often unknown, esp. with crosses, like Love Knot, that have been re-made more than once. For example, if I got in a batch of Love Knot, they would probably be labelled only with that name, and not with the actual parentage as well. So for purposes of giving parentage on my tags, I go with the way it was first registered, but it is always possible that that particular batch could have been made by the reciprocal cross. -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... No, Wendy, the pollen parent is supposed to come first. However, if the plant were registered, the reciprocal cross would get the same name [you would have to maintain the parentage info to know which way it went]. |
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