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What have I got?
Hi folks,
I picked up this orchid in the bargain bin at the garden center for 2 Euros because they thought it was done flowering for the year. It had one more in it, it turns out! What is it? Obviously some kind of paph, but can it be narrowed down any farther? Thanks, Katrina http://www.xs4all.nl/~cooper17/katri...opedalumSm.jpg |
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I picked up this orchid in the bargain bin at the garden center for 2
Euros because they thought it was done flowering for the year. It had one more in it, it turns out! What is it? Obviously some kind of paph, but can it be narrowed down any farther? Thanks, Katrina http://www.xs4all.nl/~cooper17/katri...opedalumSm.jpg I think this is a Paph of the cochlopetalums group (search this page for the word 'cochlopetalum' for a bit more info http://ladyslipper.com/1stpaph.htm ). There are several hybrids within that group that look very much alike (at least to my inexperienced eye). The Paphs in this group are sequential bloomers, which means that as they loose one flower, another one opens. I know that Paph Pinocchio is for example a common hybrid. I have a Paph Amelia Hart 'Alexandria' from this group. I really enjoy it. It is on its third flower currently and the vendor told me that it could have as many as 12 flowers sequentially on one spike. What I enjoy about the Paph Amelia Hart is what I jokingly call the changing of the guard. When it decides that its done with a flower, the blossom fades a bit and then abruptly falls off, and at roughly the same time the next one opens. I hope yours will bring you as much joy as mine brings me. Best, Joanna Thank you! I'll look at that site right away. This orchid was sitting in the bargain bin with a green stem but only spots where there had been flowers along it, and one dried-out looking, immature bud at the tip. It was not labeled. It sat here for about 6 weeks looking exactly like that, then suddenly the bud matured and opened over a period of two days, and has been a nice flower for two weeks now. I expect this will be the last flower for the year, as there's nowhere left to "go" on the stem. --Katrina |
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"Ray" wrote in message ... Looks like it's got a lot of Paph. glaucophyllum in it: http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphglaucophyllum.htm and if it's not the species, it is very likely Paph. Pinocchio. Thanks! --Katrina |
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Ray wrote:
Looks like it's got a lot of Paph. glaucophyllum in it: http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphglaucophyllum.htm and if it's not the species, it is very likely Paph. Pinocchio. I was going to guess Pinocchio too... Or Pinocchio x primulinum (Avalon Mist? Haven't installed Wildcatt on this computer yet...). It is cute. Rob |
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"Rob Halgren" wrote in message ... Ray wrote: Looks like it's got a lot of Paph. glaucophyllum in it: http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphglaucophyllum.htm and if it's not the species, it is very likely Paph. Pinocchio. I was going to guess Pinocchio too... Or Pinocchio x primulinum (Avalon Mist? Haven't installed Wildcatt on this computer yet...). It is cute. Rob Thank you! It is, isn't it? --Katrina |
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This thread inspired me to research the paph cochlopetalum group a bit more,
and here are some of the links that I found. I started out with the hope to learn more about the different species in this group to be able to differentiate them better, but I fear that I have given up on that idea. While some of these species are a bit more distinct than the others, I think this is in general a subgenus that has species with a lot of similarities, and since there are also a lot of hybrids that look similar, and there is some variability even among siblings of the same seed capsule, I have given up on the idea of trying to differentiate these, and have decided to just enjoy them. Some of these sites are good for either photos or information or both for other orchids as well. I hope you enjoy them too. Best, Joanna **** Paph Cochlopetalum (general sites with multiple photos): http://ladyslipper.com/cochltab.htm http://slipperorchid.org/cochlopetalum.htm http://paphs.net/media/Paphs/Alpha.htm http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~fk8t-tnk/paph-3.htm http://www.angelfire.com/or3/orchids...hlopetalum.htm http://www.h3.dion.ne.jp/~t_kamei/pa...hlopetalum.htm several nice photos also included on http://www.krischanphoto.com/gardens...hiopedilum.htm ***** species: paph glaucophyllum http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphglaucophyllum.htm http://ladyslipper.com/ppglauco.htm http://www.edit.ne.jp/~fkoichi/ophoto/paph/paphglau.htm http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/other_o...lum_Free_1.jpg paph moquettianum http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphmoquettianum.htm http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=384 http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=2946 http://www.edit.ne.jp/~fkoichi/ophoto/paph/paphmoqu.htm Paph primulinum var. flavum (a nearly solid yellow form) http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphprimulinum.htm http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=399 paph. primulinum var. purpurascens (this has yellow, cinnamon-brown and some green color) http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphpri...rpurescens.htm http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=400 paph. liemianum http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphiemianum.htm http://www.orchidphotos.org/images/o...p/image025.htm http://www.orchidphotos.org/images/o...p/image026.htm paph chamberlainianum http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphchamberlainianum.htm http://www.orchidphotos.org/images/o...p/image012.htm http://www.orchidphotos.org/images/o...b/P1010086.jpg http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=2200 paph victoria-regina http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphvictoriaregine.htm paph victoria-mariae http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphvictoria-marie.htm http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=450 ***** Primary Hybrids: Lists of primary hybrids: http://ladyslipper.com/glauco2.htm http://ladyslipper.com/liem.htm http://ladyslipper.com/prim.htm http://ladyslipper.com/vicmar.htm http://ladyslipper.com/chamber.htm Sample Primary Hybrids (focusing especially on primary hybrids between two cochlopetalum species - with photos if found): Paph primulinum (capsule) X Paph chamberlainianum = Paph Amelia Hart Alexander 1994 http://www.krischanphoto.com/gardens...lum/03h291.jpg and http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting Paph liemianum (pollen) X Paph glaucophyllum = Paph Glaucoliem 1993 Paph chamberlainianum (capsule) X Paph victoria-regina = Paph John Sutter 1985 glaucophyllum x sanderianum = Paph. Landmark http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=909 Paph glaucophyllum (capsule) X Paph primulinum = Paph Pinocchio http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=2409 Paph liemianum (capsule) X Paph chamberlainianum = Paph Salvadore Dali 1991 http://www2.megax.ne.jp/ran3/paph_salvadore__dali.jpg Paph liemianum (capsule) X Paph primulinum = Paph Sandy's Prime Lime 1997 Paph glaucophyllum (capsule) X Paph philippinense = Paph Shireen http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/other_o...een_Free_1.jpg Paph glaucophyllum (capsule) X Paph chamberlainianum = Paph Utgard http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=3133 Paph glaucophyllum (capsule) X Paph victoria-regina = Paph Vedanta http://www.mito-botanical-park.com/o...h_Vedanta.html **** |
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This thread inspired me to research the paph cochlopetalum group a bit more,
and here are some of the links that I found. I started out with the hope to learn more about the different species in this group to be able to differentiate them better, but I fear that I have given up on that idea. While some of these species are a bit more distinct than the others, I think this is in general a subgenus that has species with a lot of similarities, and since there are also a lot of hybrids that look similar, and there is some variability even among siblings of the same seed capsule, I have given up on the idea of trying to differentiate these, and have decided to just enjoy them. Some of these sites are good for either photos or information or both for other orchids as well. I hope you enjoy them too. Best, Joanna **** Paph Cochlopetalum (general sites with multiple photos): http://ladyslipper.com/cochltab.htm http://slipperorchid.org/cochlopetalum.htm http://paphs.net/media/Paphs/Alpha.htm http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~fk8t-tnk/paph-3.htm http://www.angelfire.com/or3/orchids...hlopetalum.htm http://www.h3.dion.ne.jp/~t_kamei/pa...hlopetalum.htm several nice photos also included on http://www.krischanphoto.com/gardens...hiopedilum.htm ***** species: paph glaucophyllum http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphglaucophyllum.htm http://ladyslipper.com/ppglauco.htm http://www.edit.ne.jp/~fkoichi/ophoto/paph/paphglau.htm http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/other_o...lum_Free_1.jpg paph moquettianum http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphmoquettianum.htm http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=384 http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=2946 http://www.edit.ne.jp/~fkoichi/ophoto/paph/paphmoqu.htm Paph primulinum var. flavum (a nearly solid yellow form) http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphprimulinum.htm http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=399 paph. primulinum var. purpurascens (this has yellow, cinnamon-brown and some green color) http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphpri...rpurescens.htm http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=400 paph. liemianum http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphiemianum.htm http://www.orchidphotos.org/images/o...p/image025.htm http://www.orchidphotos.org/images/o...p/image026.htm paph chamberlainianum http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphchamberlainianum.htm http://www.orchidphotos.org/images/o...p/image012.htm http://www.orchidphotos.org/images/o...b/P1010086.jpg http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=2200 paph victoria-regina http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphvictoriaregine.htm paph victoria-mariae http://www.orchidspecies.com/paphvictoria-marie.htm http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=450 ***** Primary Hybrids: Lists of primary hybrids: http://ladyslipper.com/glauco2.htm http://ladyslipper.com/liem.htm http://ladyslipper.com/prim.htm http://ladyslipper.com/vicmar.htm http://ladyslipper.com/chamber.htm Sample Primary Hybrids (focusing especially on primary hybrids between two cochlopetalum species - with photos if found): Paph primulinum (capsule) X Paph chamberlainianum = Paph Amelia Hart Alexander 1994 http://www.krischanphoto.com/gardens...lum/03h291.jpg and http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting Paph liemianum (pollen) X Paph glaucophyllum = Paph Glaucoliem 1993 Paph chamberlainianum (capsule) X Paph victoria-regina = Paph John Sutter 1985 glaucophyllum x sanderianum = Paph. Landmark http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=909 Paph glaucophyllum (capsule) X Paph primulinum = Paph Pinocchio http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=2409 Paph liemianum (capsule) X Paph chamberlainianum = Paph Salvadore Dali 1991 http://www2.megax.ne.jp/ran3/paph_salvadore__dali.jpg Paph liemianum (capsule) X Paph primulinum = Paph Sandy's Prime Lime 1997 Paph glaucophyllum (capsule) X Paph philippinense = Paph Shireen http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/other_o...een_Free_1.jpg Paph glaucophyllum (capsule) X Paph chamberlainianum = Paph Utgard http://www.orchidweb.com/dtl_spec.asp?PRecno=3133 Paph glaucophyllum (capsule) X Paph victoria-regina = Paph Vedanta http://www.mito-botanical-park.com/o...h_Vedanta.html **** |
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J Fortuna wrote:
This thread inspired me to research the paph cochlopetalum group a bit more, and here are some of the links that I found. I started out with the hope to learn more about the different species in this group to be able to differentiate them better, but I fear that I have given up on that idea. While some of these species are a bit more distinct than the others, I think this is in general a subgenus that has species with a lot of similarities, and since there are also a lot of hybrids that look similar, and there is some variability even among siblings of the same seed capsule, I have given up on the idea of trying to differentiate these, and have decided to just enjoy them. You've come to the same conclusion I have about this group. My personal opinion is that there are perhaps two or three really distinct species, and the rest are just varieties (if that) of these. I've bloomed a lot of these and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference without the tag. Which leads me to believe that there isn't any real difference. I suspect this is compounded by taxonomic confusion and propagation. Many 'varieties' of the same species were crossed together, and sold as the species. Of course this was before those varieties were promoted to species rank. So... you have a lot of plants out there labeled as species which are actually (by current RHS registration criteria) actually primary hybrids. Again, I suspect that if they are that similar they really aren't distinct species, but I'm not a taxonomist. Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://www.msu.edu/~halgren 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a. See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to purchase more orchids, obtain more credit LittlefrogFarm is open - e-mail me for a list ) |
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"wendy7" wrote in message news:krbEd.17945$yW5.15605@fed1read02... Hi there Katrina, nice to see you back here with us. Nice paph no matter the name. Hope all is well with your baby & your relocation. I would opt for a south east window. -- Cheers Wendy Thanks! Yup, lots of things have gone down in the past while, but all's OK now.... Little Walter was born almost 4 months ago, at home as planned, and then we had to go to the hospital because he was a little small and cool--long story short, he suffered a collapsed lung and was hooked up to everything under the sun in Intensive care and we were, to say the least, very frightened, but he came home again at two weeks old and is a thriving and happy little man. We have to move because the landlords, who promised we could stay here 3 to 5 years, have decided to sell after 8 months and so won't be renewing our rental contract. So it's off to a much smaller place with the orchids, the cat, the baby, and the ten month old Great Dane! But hey, we're headed for the Jordaan--the artists' quarter. Everyone wants to live in the Jordaan. It was all we could find in a hurry; go figure. Thanks for your advice and well-wishes, Katrina |
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"wendy7" wrote in message news:krbEd.17945$yW5.15605@fed1read02... Hi there Katrina, nice to see you back here with us. Nice paph no matter the name. Hope all is well with your baby & your relocation. I would opt for a south east window. -- Cheers Wendy Thanks! Yup, lots of things have gone down in the past while, but all's OK now.... Little Walter was born almost 4 months ago, at home as planned, and then we had to go to the hospital because he was a little small and cool--long story short, he suffered a collapsed lung and was hooked up to everything under the sun in Intensive care and we were, to say the least, very frightened, but he came home again at two weeks old and is a thriving and happy little man. We have to move because the landlords, who promised we could stay here 3 to 5 years, have decided to sell after 8 months and so won't be renewing our rental contract. So it's off to a much smaller place with the orchids, the cat, the baby, and the ten month old Great Dane! But hey, we're headed for the Jordaan--the artists' quarter. Everyone wants to live in the Jordaan. It was all we could find in a hurry; go figure. Thanks for your advice and well-wishes, Katrina |
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"wendy7" wrote in message news:krbEd.17945$yW5.15605@fed1read02... Hi there Katrina, nice to see you back here with us. Nice paph no matter the name. Hope all is well with your baby & your relocation. I would opt for a south east window. -- Cheers Wendy Thanks! Yup, lots of things have gone down in the past while, but all's OK now.... Little Walter was born almost 4 months ago, at home as planned, and then we had to go to the hospital because he was a little small and cool--long story short, he suffered a collapsed lung and was hooked up to everything under the sun in Intensive care and we were, to say the least, very frightened, but he came home again at two weeks old and is a thriving and happy little man. We have to move because the landlords, who promised we could stay here 3 to 5 years, have decided to sell after 8 months and so won't be renewing our rental contract. So it's off to a much smaller place with the orchids, the cat, the baby, and the ten month old Great Dane! But hey, we're headed for the Jordaan--the artists' quarter. Everyone wants to live in the Jordaan. It was all we could find in a hurry; go figure. Thanks for your advice and well-wishes, Katrina |
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White Monkey wrote:
"wendy7" wrote in message news:krbEd.17945$yW5.15605@fed1read02... Hi there Katrina, nice to see you back here with us. Nice paph no matter the name. Hope all is well with your baby & your relocation. I would opt for a south east window. -- Cheers Wendy Thanks! Yup, lots of things have gone down in the past while, but all's OK now.... Little Walter was born almost 4 months ago, at home as planned, and then we had to go to the hospital because he was a little small and cool--long story short, he suffered a collapsed lung and was hooked up to everything under the sun in Intensive care and we were, to say the least, very frightened, but he came home again at two weeks old and is a thriving and happy little man. We have to move because the landlords, who promised we could stay here 3 to 5 years, have decided to sell after 8 months and so won't be renewing our rental contract. So it's off to a much smaller place with the orchids, the cat, the baby, and the ten month old Great Dane! But hey, we're headed for the Jordaan--the artists' quarter. Everyone wants to live in the Jordaan. It was all we could find in a hurry; go figure. Thanks for your advice and well-wishes, Katrina Oh, Katrina! I envy you the home birth! I couldn't. Mine were both born in the hospital - Cesareans. They turned out fine, though! -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
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White Monkey wrote:
"wendy7" wrote in message news:krbEd.17945$yW5.15605@fed1read02... Hi there Katrina, nice to see you back here with us. Nice paph no matter the name. Hope all is well with your baby & your relocation. I would opt for a south east window. -- Cheers Wendy Thanks! Yup, lots of things have gone down in the past while, but all's OK now.... Little Walter was born almost 4 months ago, at home as planned, and then we had to go to the hospital because he was a little small and cool--long story short, he suffered a collapsed lung and was hooked up to everything under the sun in Intensive care and we were, to say the least, very frightened, but he came home again at two weeks old and is a thriving and happy little man. We have to move because the landlords, who promised we could stay here 3 to 5 years, have decided to sell after 8 months and so won't be renewing our rental contract. So it's off to a much smaller place with the orchids, the cat, the baby, and the ten month old Great Dane! But hey, we're headed for the Jordaan--the artists' quarter. Everyone wants to live in the Jordaan. It was all we could find in a hurry; go figure. Thanks for your advice and well-wishes, Katrina Oh, Katrina! I envy you the home birth! I couldn't. Mine were both born in the hospital - Cesareans. They turned out fine, though! -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
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Hi there Katrina, nice to see you back here with us. Nice paph no matter
the name. Hope all is well with your baby & your relocation. I would opt for a south east window. Cheers Wendy Thanks! Yup, lots of things have gone down in the past while, but all's OK now.... Little Walter was born almost 4 months ago, at home as planned, and then we had to go to the hospital because he was a little small and cool--long story short, he suffered a collapsed lung and was hooked up to everything under the sun in Intensive care and we were, to say the least, very frightened, but he came home again at two weeks old and is a thriving and happy little man. We have to move because the landlords, who promised we could stay here 3 to 5 years, have decided to sell after 8 months and so won't be renewing our rental contract. So it's off to a much smaller place with the orchids, the cat, the baby, and the ten month old Great Dane! But hey, we're headed for the Jordaan--the artists' quarter. Everyone wants to live in the Jordaan. It was all we could find in a hurry; go figure. Thanks for your advice and well-wishes, Katrina Oh, Katrina! I envy you the home birth! I couldn't. Mine were both born in the hospital - Cesareans. They turned out fine, though! Reka Unless there is a medical reason otherwise (which in your case there clearly was), home birth is the norm here, and is encouraged by doctors, insurance companies, and hospitals because it is cheaper for the health care system, safer, and leaves the maternity-ward hospital beds free for people who really need them (like you, for example). I had a very good experience, and loved the midwifery practice we used and the lady who came out on the day. --Katrina |
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Hi there Katrina, nice to see you back here with us. Nice paph no matter
the name. Hope all is well with your baby & your relocation. I would opt for a south east window. Cheers Wendy Thanks! Yup, lots of things have gone down in the past while, but all's OK now.... Little Walter was born almost 4 months ago, at home as planned, and then we had to go to the hospital because he was a little small and cool--long story short, he suffered a collapsed lung and was hooked up to everything under the sun in Intensive care and we were, to say the least, very frightened, but he came home again at two weeks old and is a thriving and happy little man. We have to move because the landlords, who promised we could stay here 3 to 5 years, have decided to sell after 8 months and so won't be renewing our rental contract. So it's off to a much smaller place with the orchids, the cat, the baby, and the ten month old Great Dane! But hey, we're headed for the Jordaan--the artists' quarter. Everyone wants to live in the Jordaan. It was all we could find in a hurry; go figure. Thanks for your advice and well-wishes, Katrina Oh, Katrina! I envy you the home birth! I couldn't. Mine were both born in the hospital - Cesareans. They turned out fine, though! Reka Unless there is a medical reason otherwise (which in your case there clearly was), home birth is the norm here, and is encouraged by doctors, insurance companies, and hospitals because it is cheaper for the health care system, safer, and leaves the maternity-ward hospital beds free for people who really need them (like you, for example). I had a very good experience, and loved the midwifery practice we used and the lady who came out on the day. --Katrina |
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