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"pete" wrote in message
On Saturday's we have an ABC radio, gardening, phone in, talk back programme and the "experts" on there say horse manure is (Emphasis this bit loudly over the microphone) Absolutely no good for gardens .... I suspect that in terms of fertility it isn't much use (chook or cow being better) but in terms of soil amendment for friability I think it's wonderful Any poop is good poop in my book Yup. Sorry, but I have begun to think that it is ratehr important :-)) Me too but ya workin me to a frazzle ... Sorry. I'll stop. I love quandongs. I think they are one of the most superb fruits - just wish I could get a plant or 10. Ya know they are supposed to be planted with another plant? Do you mean another quandong plant? But no, I didn't know that they needed to be planted near anything. |
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Farm1 wrote:
"pete" wrote in message On Saturday's we have an ABC radio, gardening, phone in, talk back programme and the "experts" on there say horse manure is (Emphasis this bit loudly over the microphone) Absolutely no good for gardens .... I suspect that in terms of fertility it isn't much use (chook or cow being better) but in terms of soil amendment for friability I think it's wonderful Well I'm finding that it works pretty well on soil that without it would grow nothing, though maybe that same soil would be fertile to a degree if it wasn't saline ... which sort of proves your statement above about friability and mine earlier about texture ...which no doubt if we tried hard enough we could prove are the same thing :-) .... I find chook poo is great as a Nitrogen fertiliser but is lacking in Phosphorous and Potassium whereas most of the others have a more rounded concentration of all 3, I find my brassica's go purple at plant out time using just horse manure, but as it breaks down and the soil improves they grow like wildfire, maybe the Nitrogen is unavailable early on in the process ? or maybe its just that brassica's need more Nitrogen than hoss poo can supply at that particular time, I'd always assumed it was the richness or freshness that was causing the purple colour and as ages things improve. I always thought hoss poo was lacking in Nitrogen but lately I've been thinking that it has enough for it to be considered a good all round fertiliser if its incorporated with enough soil to allow the growth of beneficial bacteria, fungi and insects to break it down sufficiently to "allow" it to release those nutrients for plants to use when they need it. I love quandongs. I think they are one of the most superb fruits - just wish I could get a plant or 10. Ya know they are supposed to be planted with another plant? Do you mean another quandong plant? But no, I didn't know that they needed to be planted near anything. They do well with lower growing stuff ... native grasses or low shrubs, they actually feed from the roots of the host plant. This link may be useful http://farrer.riv.csu.edu.au/ASGAP/s-acu.html The Quandongs near us are growing in pure Shellgrit ..old stuff that's been there probably thousands of years, it's broken down to basically nothing more than rough sand grain size and of course has excellent drainage but probably little else and our low rainfall doesn't help, though if we had higher rainfall maybe it would be worse for any nutrient would be leached through quicker. I think dry and very well drained is the key for established Quandongs ...though young plants must be kept moist to get em started. Ya see how edumacational this group is? Pete |
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pete wrote:
I always thought hoss poo was lacking in Nitrogen but lately I've been thinking that it has enough for it to be considered a good all round fertiliser if its incorporated with enough soil to allow the growth of beneficial bacteria, fungi and insects to break it down sufficiently to "allow" it to release those nutrients for plants to use when they need it. I was searching for Quandong stuff and got sidetracked and found this site which deals with mycorrhiza fungi. http://www.ffp.csiro.au/research/mycorrhiza/intro.html Which I found particularly interesting cos I reckon the fungi I am finding in the horse poo enhanced rows (I showed the fungi in one pic on my web site) are the reason things are growing. Also this site http://www.global-garden.com.au/burnley/may97dte.htm ....below are a couple of quotes form that site " Fungi are organisms consists of very fine filaments called hyphae that can spread for metres through the soil taking up nutrients. Plants in a mycorrhizal relationship have increased uptake of nitrogen, phosphorus, micronutrients and water due to the large surface area of the fungal hyphae. The result of this increased uptake is larger and healthier plants. Unlike plants, fungi do not contain chlorophyll and therefore need a source of energy. In return for providing nutrients to the plant the fungi receive sugars." and "Soil chemistry and structure Mycorrhiza can improve plant growth and reduce the need for large amounts of fertiliser but have other benefits as well. Mycorrhizal fungi can influence soil chemistry and structure. They produce an array of chemicals such as enzymes and organic acids that are secreted into the soil. These chemicals break down otherwise unavailable minerals that are then absorbed by the fungus and transferred to the plant. The structure of the soil is improved by the presence of mycorrhizal hyphae as they spread through the soil binding particles and reducing soil erosion. The presence of mycorrhiza and the production of the chemical residues help to form stable soil aggregates that bind organic matter and associated nutrients, improving soil structure and stability" I knew I was on the right path with the soil Structure thing but I had no idea of the proper names for what was happening. Hope you find it as interesting as I did ....if not ... if it's actually very boring..... it just proves what a nerd I am dunnit? Pete |
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"pete" wrote in message
I was searching for Quandong stuff and got sidetracked and found this site which deals with mycorrhiza fungi. I knew I was on the right path with the soil Structure thing but I had no idea of the proper names for what was happening. Most interesting. I do know however that mushroom fungi has a nasty effect on grass leaving the spot where the fungi is as bear as a badgers bum. I have huge fairy rings in our "lawn" and even when the rest of the grass is lush in spring, I can see where the fariy rings are (I'm not going to do anything about it though because I can have a meal of lovely fresh mushrooms just from wandering round the lawn) |
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"pete" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote: I suspect that in terms of fertility it isn't much use (chook or cow being better) but in terms of soil amendment for friability I think it's wonderful Well I'm finding that it works pretty well on soil that without it would grow nothing, though maybe that same soil would be fertile to a degree if it wasn't saline ... which sort of proves your statement above about friability and mine earlier about texture ...which no doubt if we tried hard enough we could prove are the same thing :-) .... Prolly :-)) I always thought hoss poo was lacking in Nitrogen but lately I've been thinking that it has enough for it to be considered a good all round fertiliser if its incorporated with enough soil to allow the growth of beneficial bacteria, fungi and insects to break it down sufficiently to "allow" it to release those nutrients for plants to use when they need it. I like to use it with the odd sprinkle of Dynamic Lifter added now and then. I also add the odd bit of cow manure when I can be bothered to go out with my wheelbarrow (whcih is when it isn't stinking hot) I've come to like dynamic Lifter a lot as it really seems to give the plants a bit of a kick along but I don't use much of it. I do tend to use a bit of liquid "Black jack" and the odd bit of seaweed emulsion but both of these tend to be as and when I remember them rather than as a regular thing. Do you mean another quandong plant? But no, I didn't know that they needed to be planted near anything. They do well with lower growing stuff ... native grasses or low shrubs, they actually feed from the roots of the host plant. This link may be useful http://farrer.riv.csu.edu.au/ASGAP/s-acu.html Most interesting - thanks for the link. I'd love to get some so may try with some fo the rare palant nurseries this winter. Ya see how edumacational this group is? I've always known that :-)) |
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Farm1 wrote:
"pete" wrote in message Farm1 wrote: I suspect that in terms of fertility it isn't much use (chook or cow being better) but in terms of soil amendment for friability I think it's wonderful Well I'm finding that it works pretty well on soil that without it would grow nothing, though maybe that same soil would be fertile to a degree if it wasn't saline ... which sort of proves your statement above about friability and mine earlier about texture ...which no doubt if we tried hard enough we could prove are the same thing :-) .... Prolly :-)) I always thought hoss poo was lacking in Nitrogen but lately I've been thinking that it has enough for it to be considered a good all round fertiliser if its incorporated with enough soil to allow the growth of beneficial bacteria, fungi and insects to break it down sufficiently to "allow" it to release those nutrients for plants to use when they need it. I like to use it with the odd sprinkle of Dynamic Lifter added now and then. I also add the odd bit of cow manure when I can be bothered to go out with my wheelbarrow (whcih is when it isn't stinking hot) I've come to like dynamic Lifter a lot as it really seems to give the plants a bit of a kick along but I don't use much of it. I do tend to use a bit of liquid "Black jack" and the odd bit of seaweed emulsion but both of these tend to be as and when I remember them rather than as a regular thing. Do you mean another quandong plant? But no, I didn't know that they needed to be planted near anything. They do well with lower growing stuff ... native grasses or low shrubs, they actually feed from the roots of the host plant. This link may be useful http://farrer.riv.csu.edu.au/ASGAP/s-acu.html Most interesting - thanks for the link. I'd love to get some so may try with some fo the rare palant nurseries this winter. Ya see how edumacational this group is? I've always known that :-)) Sorry I'm a bit incommunicado at the moment Fran ... I have a new grandson who is taking all my attention I can't wait to get him in the garden, his mum says I have to use one of them sling thingies ... papoose?? to carry him around while I'm planting stuff ...being the sensitive new age guy that I am, I just hope he doesn't mind the fag burns on his forehead .... Pete |
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