Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree. All he
gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples (there
are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common name Pride of
Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the Papilionaceae, with
yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm countries. Anybody know if
there are any other Papilionaceae that produce samaras or keys? I thought they
all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn something new, as Laun (?) says.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much
that ain't so."
Josh Billings (Henry Wheeler Shaw), 1818-1885

Lots of them
Some of them are the spitting image of maple keys, only single
Technically they are single seeded pods.
Try Vatairea and Machaerium scleroxylon for maple look-alikes

Another model is found in Pterocarpus (nomen est omen),
more like Dipteronia
PvR

Iris Cohen schreef in berichtnieuws
...
Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree. All
he gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples
(there are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common
name Pride of Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the
Papilionaceae, with yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm
countries. Anybody know if there are any other Papilionaceae that produce
samaras or keys? I thought they all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn
something new, as Laun (?) says.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so
much that ain't so."
Josh Billings (Henry Wheeler Shaw), 1818-1885

Some of them are the spitting image of maple keys, only single. Technically
they are single seeded pods.
Looking at the picture of Tipuana in the field guide, I could see the
relationship. Independent parallel invention.


Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much
that ain't so."
Josh Billings (Henry Wheeler Shaw), 1818-1885

Some of them are the spitting image of maple keys, only single.
Technically they are single seeded pods.

Iris Cohen schreef
Looking at the picture of Tipuana in the field guide, I could see the
relationship. Independent parallel invention.
Iris

+ + +
Quite.
also in Dipterocarpaceae, eg Shorea
and in Sterculiaceae / Malvaceae sl eg Triplochiton scleroxylon
PvR

Some of them are the spitting image of maple keys, only single.
Technically they are single seeded pods.

Iris Cohen schreef
Looking at the picture of Tipuana in the field guide, I could see the
relationship. Independent parallel invention.
Iris,

+ + +
Just curious. Does Israel have good field guides? Quality of field guides
varies enormously from country to country. Israel should have the know-how
....
PvR

Israel has maples? That's neat. Do you know the Latin names and
distributions by any chance? I live in Arizona, USA, where the southern
limit of the distributions of North American maples is reached just south of
our border with Mexico on the north-facing slopes of 2000+ m mountains. I'd
be interested in the Middle East counterparts. Does Morocco have maples?

Frank

"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree. All
he
gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples
(there
are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common name
Pride of
Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the Papilionaceae,
with
yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm countries. Anybody know if
there are any other Papilionaceae that produce samaras or keys? I thought
they
all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn something new, as Laun (?) says.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so
much
that ain't so."
Josh Billings (Henry Wheeler Shaw), 1818-1885

Mexico, Morocco and Israel all have maples
The southernmost that Acer reaches is in the Americas and SE Asia,
in both continents it occurs in tropical circumstances.
PvR

Frank Reichenbacher schreef
Israel has maples? That's neat. Do you know the Latin names and
distributions by any chance? I live in Arizona, USA, where the southern
limit of the distributions of North American maples is reached just south of
our border with Mexico on the north-facing slopes of 2000+ m mountains. I'd
be interested in the Middle East counterparts. Does Morocco have maples?

Frank

"Iris Cohen" wrote
Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree.
All
he gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples
(there are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common
name
Pride of Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the
Papilionaceae, with yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm
countries. Anybody know if there are any other Papilionaceae that produce
samaras or keys? I thought they all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn
something new, as Laun (?) says.
Iris,

"P van Rijckevorsel" wrote in message
...
Mexico, Morocco and Israel all have maples
The southernmost that Acer reaches is in the Americas and SE Asia,
in both continents it occurs in tropical circumstances.
PvR

Yes, I knew that Acer is represented in Mexico, but the southernmost limits
of the genus is not far south of the border with the US. The species
represented in Mexico by big-toothed maple (_Acer grandidentatum var.
brachypterum_), boxelder (Acer negundo, at least two varieties), and maybe
by Rocky Mtn. maple (Acer glabrum). I am familiar with all three species in
the field and none occurs in tropical habitats. All are restricted to
temperate environments well above (elevationally-speaking) the tropical
zones.

Hold on, I just searched the NYBG holdings in Mexico and I see that one of
the varieties of A. negundo is an A. n. orizabensis, which I presume came
from the vicinity of Mt. Orizaba, which is well south of the US border. I
stand corrected on that one, however, I suspect it was collected at high
elevations in a temperate habitat.

Thanks!

Frank


Frank Reichenbacher schreef
Israel has maples? That's neat. Do you know the Latin names and
distributions by any chance? I live in Arizona, USA, where the southern
limit of the distributions of North American maples is reached just south
of
our border with Mexico on the north-facing slopes of 2000+ m mountains.
I'd
be interested in the Middle East counterparts. Does Morocco have maples?

Frank

"Iris Cohen" wrote
Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree.
All
he gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples
(there are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common
name
Pride of Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the
Papilionaceae, with yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm
countries. Anybody know if there are any other Papilionaceae that produce
samaras or keys? I thought they all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn
something new, as Laun (?) says.
Iris,

If you are interested in detail the easiest thing to do would be to dig out
'Maples_of_the_World' which is pretty complete.

Of course it is true that whenever temperate genera occur in the tropics
they will tend to be restricted to the mountains. Some caution is required
in generalizing.
PvR

"P van Rijckevorsel" wrote
Mexico, Morocco and Israel all have maples
The southernmost that Acer reaches is in the Americas and SE Asia,
in both continents it occurs in tropical circumstances.
PvR

Frank Reichenbacher schreef
Yes, I knew that Acer is represented in Mexico, but the southernmost
limits
of the genus is not far south of the border with the US. The species
represented in Mexico by big-toothed maple (_Acer grandidentatum var.
brachypterum_), boxelder (Acer negundo, at least two varieties), and maybe
by Rocky Mtn. maple (Acer glabrum). I am familiar with all three species
in
the field and none occurs in tropical habitats. All are restricted to
temperate environments well above (elevationally-speaking) the tropical
zones.

Hold on, I just searched the NYBG holdings in Mexico and I see that one of
the varieties of A. negundo is an A. n. orizabensis, which I presume came
from the vicinity of Mt. Orizaba, which is well south of the US border. I
stand corrected on that one, however, I suspect it was collected at high
elevations in a temperate habitat.

Thanks!

Frank


Frank Reichenbacher schreef
Israel has maples? That's neat. Do you know the Latin names and
distributions by any chance? I live in Arizona, USA, where the southern
limit of the distributions of North American maples is reached just
south
of
our border with Mexico on the north-facing slopes of 2000+ m mountains.
I'd
be interested in the Middle East counterparts. Does Morocco have maples?

Frank

"Iris Cohen" wrote
Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a
tree.
All
he gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples
(there are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common
name
Pride of Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the
Papilionaceae, with yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm
countries. Anybody know if there are any other Papilionaceae that
produce
samaras or keys? I thought they all stuck to pods. Never too old to
learn
something new, as Laun (?) says.
Iris,