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Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree. All he
gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples (there are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common name Pride of Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the Papilionaceae, with yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm countries. Anybody know if there are any other Papilionaceae that produce samaras or keys? I thought they all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn something new, as Laun (?) says. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." Josh Billings (Henry Wheeler Shaw), 1818-1885 |
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Some of them are the spitting image of maple keys, only single. Technically
they are single seeded pods. Looking at the picture of Tipuana in the field guide, I could see the relationship. Independent parallel invention. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." Josh Billings (Henry Wheeler Shaw), 1818-1885 |
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Some of them are the spitting image of maple keys, only single.
Technically they are single seeded pods. Iris Cohen schreef Looking at the picture of Tipuana in the field guide, I could see the relationship. Independent parallel invention. Iris + + + Quite. also in Dipterocarpaceae, eg Shorea and in Sterculiaceae / Malvaceae sl eg Triplochiton scleroxylon PvR |
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Some of them are the spitting image of maple keys, only single.
Technically they are single seeded pods. Iris Cohen schreef Looking at the picture of Tipuana in the field guide, I could see the relationship. Independent parallel invention. Iris, + + + Just curious. Does Israel have good field guides? Quality of field guides varies enormously from country to country. Israel should have the know-how .... PvR |
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Israel has maples? That's neat. Do you know the Latin names and
distributions by any chance? I live in Arizona, USA, where the southern limit of the distributions of North American maples is reached just south of our border with Mexico on the north-facing slopes of 2000+ m mountains. I'd be interested in the Middle East counterparts. Does Morocco have maples? Frank "Iris Cohen" wrote in message ... Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree. All he gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples (there are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common name Pride of Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the Papilionaceae, with yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm countries. Anybody know if there are any other Papilionaceae that produce samaras or keys? I thought they all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn something new, as Laun (?) says. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." Josh Billings (Henry Wheeler Shaw), 1818-1885 |
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Mexico, Morocco and Israel all have maples
The southernmost that Acer reaches is in the Americas and SE Asia, in both continents it occurs in tropical circumstances. PvR Frank Reichenbacher schreef Israel has maples? That's neat. Do you know the Latin names and distributions by any chance? I live in Arizona, USA, where the southern limit of the distributions of North American maples is reached just south of our border with Mexico on the north-facing slopes of 2000+ m mountains. I'd be interested in the Middle East counterparts. Does Morocco have maples? Frank "Iris Cohen" wrote Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree. All he gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples (there are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common name Pride of Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the Papilionaceae, with yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm countries. Anybody know if there are any other Papilionaceae that produce samaras or keys? I thought they all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn something new, as Laun (?) says. Iris, |
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"P van Rijckevorsel" wrote in message ... Mexico, Morocco and Israel all have maples The southernmost that Acer reaches is in the Americas and SE Asia, in both continents it occurs in tropical circumstances. PvR Yes, I knew that Acer is represented in Mexico, but the southernmost limits of the genus is not far south of the border with the US. The species represented in Mexico by big-toothed maple (_Acer grandidentatum var. brachypterum_), boxelder (Acer negundo, at least two varieties), and maybe by Rocky Mtn. maple (Acer glabrum). I am familiar with all three species in the field and none occurs in tropical habitats. All are restricted to temperate environments well above (elevationally-speaking) the tropical zones. Hold on, I just searched the NYBG holdings in Mexico and I see that one of the varieties of A. negundo is an A. n. orizabensis, which I presume came from the vicinity of Mt. Orizaba, which is well south of the US border. I stand corrected on that one, however, I suspect it was collected at high elevations in a temperate habitat. Thanks! Frank Frank Reichenbacher schreef Israel has maples? That's neat. Do you know the Latin names and distributions by any chance? I live in Arizona, USA, where the southern limit of the distributions of North American maples is reached just south of our border with Mexico on the north-facing slopes of 2000+ m mountains. I'd be interested in the Middle East counterparts. Does Morocco have maples? Frank "Iris Cohen" wrote Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree. All he gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples (there are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common name Pride of Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the Papilionaceae, with yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm countries. Anybody know if there are any other Papilionaceae that produce samaras or keys? I thought they all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn something new, as Laun (?) says. Iris, |
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If you are interested in detail the easiest thing to do would be to dig out
'Maples_of_the_World' which is pretty complete. Of course it is true that whenever temperate genera occur in the tropics they will tend to be restricted to the mountains. Some caution is required in generalizing. PvR "P van Rijckevorsel" wrote Mexico, Morocco and Israel all have maples The southernmost that Acer reaches is in the Americas and SE Asia, in both continents it occurs in tropical circumstances. PvR Frank Reichenbacher schreef Yes, I knew that Acer is represented in Mexico, but the southernmost limits of the genus is not far south of the border with the US. The species represented in Mexico by big-toothed maple (_Acer grandidentatum var. brachypterum_), boxelder (Acer negundo, at least two varieties), and maybe by Rocky Mtn. maple (Acer glabrum). I am familiar with all three species in the field and none occurs in tropical habitats. All are restricted to temperate environments well above (elevationally-speaking) the tropical zones. Hold on, I just searched the NYBG holdings in Mexico and I see that one of the varieties of A. negundo is an A. n. orizabensis, which I presume came from the vicinity of Mt. Orizaba, which is well south of the US border. I stand corrected on that one, however, I suspect it was collected at high elevations in a temperate habitat. Thanks! Frank Frank Reichenbacher schreef Israel has maples? That's neat. Do you know the Latin names and distributions by any chance? I live in Arizona, USA, where the southern limit of the distributions of North American maples is reached just south of our border with Mexico on the north-facing slopes of 2000+ m mountains. I'd be interested in the Middle East counterparts. Does Morocco have maples? Frank "Iris Cohen" wrote Somebody from Israel wrote to rec.gardens asking for the ID of a tree. All he gave us to go on was a drawing of a samara. I first thought of maples (there are 2 in Israel), but come to find out it is Tipuana tipu, common name Pride of Bolivia (although it comes from eastern SA). Belongs to the Papilionaceae, with yellow pea flowers, & is widely planted in warm countries. Anybody know if there are any other Papilionaceae that produce samaras or keys? I thought they all stuck to pods. Never too old to learn something new, as Laun (?) says. Iris, |
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