http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science....ap/index.html

http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/38346...ules/printstor
y.jsp

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/12/18/Ta...in_orchi.shtml

?, PvR

Ah, yes, I know all about this mess. It has been discussed and rehashed to
death in my orchid newsgroup. Mr. Kovach was also indicted, but I haven't been
able to get hold of all the newspaper articles, so I don't know exactly what
happened to him.
First of all, the main reason for the hoo-ha was that Eric Christenson sicced
the federal government on Selby to get revenge because they fired him.
Secondly, remember that all the paperwork regulations in the world, both US and
CITES, do not save species, especially plants, as long as habitat destruction
continues. All the regulations do is to encourage smugglers to collect the
orchids illegally.
Third, the rules of taxonomy are independent of politics, & I hope they stay
that way. Phragmipedium kovachii was legally named according to the
International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. I very much doubt that the
botanical authorities will change the name. Are you going to change the name of
Blighia becuse Admiral Bligh was a convicted sadist?
Bottom line: why is the US government wasting the taxpayer's money on nonsense
when our meat is inadequately inspected and the No Child Left Behind Act is
underfunded?
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Iris Cohen schreef
Ah, yes, I know all about this mess. It has been discussed and rehashed to
death in my orchid newsgroup. Mr. Kovach was also indicted, but I haven't
been able to get hold of all the newspaper articles, so I don't know exactly
what happened to him.

First of all, the main reason for the hoo-ha was that Eric Christenson
sicced the federal government on Selby to get revenge because they fired
him. Secondly, remember that all the paperwork regulations in the world,
both US and CITES, do not save species, especially plants, as long as
habitat destruction continues. All the regulations do is to encourage
smugglers to collect the orchids illegally.

+ + +
All too true. However, doing nothing is not even less likely to achieve
anything.
+ + +

Third, the rules of taxonomy are independent of politics, & I hope they
stay that way. Phragmipedium kovachii was legally named according to the
International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. I very much doubt that the
botanical authorities will change the name. Are you going to change the name
of Blighia because Admiral Bligh was a convicted sadist?

+ + +
Yes, that is a good point. I suppose it would be possible to try and have
the name retracted, but I have never heard of such a case being brought
forward for such a reason. If it was I would not dare guess at its chance of
succes. Mere rejection would be easier, and pretty likely to succeed, if
brought by the original authors, but still unprecedented.
PvR
+ + +

Bottom line: why is the US government wasting the taxpayer's money on
nonsense when our meat is inadequately inspected and the No Child Left
Behind Act is underfunded?

Iris Cohen schreef
Ah, yes, I know all about this mess. It has been discussed and rehashed to
death in my orchid newsgroup. Mr. Kovach was also indicted, but I haven't
been able to get hold of all the newspaper articles, so I don't know exactly
what happened to him.

First of all, the main reason for the hoo-ha was that Eric Christenson
sicced the federal government on Selby to get revenge because they fired
him. Secondly, remember that all the paperwork regulations in the world,
both US and CITES, do not save species, especially plants, as long as
habitat destruction continues. All the regulations do is to encourage
smugglers to collect the orchids illegally.

+ + +
All too true. However, doing nothing is not even less likely to achieve
anything.
+ + +

Third, the rules of taxonomy are independent of politics, & I hope they
stay that way. Phragmipedium kovachii was legally named according to the
International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. I very much doubt that the
botanical authorities will change the name. Are you going to change the name
of Blighia because Admiral Bligh was a convicted sadist?

+ + +
Yes, that is a good point. I suppose it would be possible to try and have
the name retracted, but I have never heard of such a case being brought
forward for such a reason. If it was I would not dare guess at its chance of
succes. Mere rejection would be easier, and pretty likely to succeed, if
brought by the original authors, but still unprecedented.
PvR
+ + +

Bottom line: why is the US government wasting the taxpayer's money on
nonsense when our meat is inadequately inspected and the No Child Left
Behind Act is underfunded?

Iris Cohen schreef
Ah, yes, I know all about this mess. It has been discussed and rehashed to
death in my orchid newsgroup. Mr. Kovach was also indicted, but I haven't
been able to get hold of all the newspaper articles, so I don't know exactly
what happened to him.

First of all, the main reason for the hoo-ha was that Eric Christenson
sicced the federal government on Selby to get revenge because they fired
him. Secondly, remember that all the paperwork regulations in the world,
both US and CITES, do not save species, especially plants, as long as
habitat destruction continues. All the regulations do is to encourage
smugglers to collect the orchids illegally.

+ + +
All too true. However, doing nothing is not even less likely to achieve
anything.
+ + +

Third, the rules of taxonomy are independent of politics, & I hope they
stay that way. Phragmipedium kovachii was legally named according to the
International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. I very much doubt that the
botanical authorities will change the name. Are you going to change the name
of Blighia because Admiral Bligh was a convicted sadist?

+ + +
Yes, that is a good point. I suppose it would be possible to try and have
the name retracted, but I have never heard of such a case being brought
forward for such a reason. If it was I would not dare guess at its chance of
succes. Mere rejection would be easier, and pretty likely to succeed, if
brought by the original authors, but still unprecedented.
PvR
+ + +

Bottom line: why is the US government wasting the taxpayer's money on
nonsense when our meat is inadequately inspected and the No Child Left
Behind Act is underfunded?

"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
Ah, yes, I know all about this mess. It has been discussed and rehashed to
death in my orchid newsgroup. Mr. Kovach was also indicted, but I haven't
been
able to get hold of all the newspaper articles, so I don't know exactly
what
happened to him.
First of all, the main reason for the hoo-ha was that Eric Christenson
sicced
the federal government on Selby to get revenge because they fired him.
Secondly, remember that all the paperwork regulations in the world, both
US and
CITES, do not save species, especially plants, as long as habitat
destruction
continues. All the regulations do is to encourage smugglers to collect the
orchids illegally.
Third, the rules of taxonomy are independent of politics, & I hope they
stay
that way. Phragmipedium kovachii was legally named according to the
International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. I very much doubt that the
botanical authorities will change the name. Are you going to change the
name of
Blighia becuse Admiral Bligh was a convicted sadist?
Bottom line: why is the US government wasting the taxpayer's money on
nonsense
when our meat is inadequately inspected and the No Child Left Behind Act
is
underfunded?
Iris,



I am sorry that your meat is not being adequately inspected; but mine is,
and I'm gratified.

As to the "No Child Left Behind Act", "underfunded" is a hideously loose
term open to broadband interpretation. Would you care to express what you
would consider "funded" to be? You may use either dollars and cents or
percentage ratios of budgeted indices to place your assessment. --Or any
other solid index you choose, as long as it does not induce flowery images
(note botanical connection) which are themselves open to wide
interpretation.

Thank you.

--Geno

"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
Ah, yes, I know all about this mess. It has been discussed and rehashed to
death in my orchid newsgroup. Mr. Kovach was also indicted, but I haven't
been
able to get hold of all the newspaper articles, so I don't know exactly
what
happened to him.
First of all, the main reason for the hoo-ha was that Eric Christenson
sicced
the federal government on Selby to get revenge because they fired him.
Secondly, remember that all the paperwork regulations in the world, both
US and
CITES, do not save species, especially plants, as long as habitat
destruction
continues. All the regulations do is to encourage smugglers to collect the
orchids illegally.
Third, the rules of taxonomy are independent of politics, & I hope they
stay
that way. Phragmipedium kovachii was legally named according to the
International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. I very much doubt that the
botanical authorities will change the name. Are you going to change the
name of
Blighia becuse Admiral Bligh was a convicted sadist?
Bottom line: why is the US government wasting the taxpayer's money on
nonsense
when our meat is inadequately inspected and the No Child Left Behind Act
is
underfunded?
Iris,



I am sorry that your meat is not being adequately inspected; but mine is,
and I'm gratified.

As to the "No Child Left Behind Act", "underfunded" is a hideously loose
term open to broadband interpretation. Would you care to express what you
would consider "funded" to be? You may use either dollars and cents or
percentage ratios of budgeted indices to place your assessment. --Or any
other solid index you choose, as long as it does not induce flowery images
(note botanical connection) which are themselves open to wide
interpretation.

Thank you.

--Geno

"Iris Cohen" wrote in message
...
Ah, yes, I know all about this mess. It has been discussed and rehashed to
death in my orchid newsgroup. Mr. Kovach was also indicted, but I haven't
been
able to get hold of all the newspaper articles, so I don't know exactly
what
happened to him.
First of all, the main reason for the hoo-ha was that Eric Christenson
sicced
the federal government on Selby to get revenge because they fired him.
Secondly, remember that all the paperwork regulations in the world, both
US and
CITES, do not save species, especially plants, as long as habitat
destruction
continues. All the regulations do is to encourage smugglers to collect the
orchids illegally.
Third, the rules of taxonomy are independent of politics, & I hope they
stay
that way. Phragmipedium kovachii was legally named according to the
International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. I very much doubt that the
botanical authorities will change the name. Are you going to change the
name of
Blighia becuse Admiral Bligh was a convicted sadist?
Bottom line: why is the US government wasting the taxpayer's money on
nonsense
when our meat is inadequately inspected and the No Child Left Behind Act
is
underfunded?
Iris,



I am sorry that your meat is not being adequately inspected; but mine is,
and I'm gratified.

As to the "No Child Left Behind Act", "underfunded" is a hideously loose
term open to broadband interpretation. Would you care to express what you
would consider "funded" to be? You may use either dollars and cents or
percentage ratios of budgeted indices to place your assessment. --Or any
other solid index you choose, as long as it does not induce flowery images
(note botanical connection) which are themselves open to wide
interpretation.

Thank you.

--Geno

(Iris Cohen) wrote in message ...
Are you going to change the name of
Blighia becuse Admiral Bligh was a convicted sadist?


That's an inaccurate example based on the fictional movie versions of
Mutiny on the Bounty. Historians have found that Bligh used less
physical punishment than other ship captains of his era. Bligh was
never convicted of sadism.

Caroline Alexander's recent book and several others make it clear that
Bligh was a hero, not the villain, in the Bounty mutiny. If not for
Bligh's sailing skills, he and the loyal crew set adrift by Fletcher
Christian would have perished. Christian sent Bligh and the others to
what he thought was a certain death. He and the other mutineers were
the villains.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.ht...eviews/2119940

http://www.seacoastonline.com/1999news/7_11d.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/discover...tures/05.shtml

(Iris Cohen) wrote in message ...
Are you going to change the name of
Blighia becuse Admiral Bligh was a convicted sadist?


That's an inaccurate example based on the fictional movie versions of
Mutiny on the Bounty. Historians have found that Bligh used less
physical punishment than other ship captains of his era. Bligh was
never convicted of sadism.

Caroline Alexander's recent book and several others make it clear that
Bligh was a hero, not the villain, in the Bounty mutiny. If not for
Bligh's sailing skills, he and the loyal crew set adrift by Fletcher
Christian would have perished. Christian sent Bligh and the others to
what he thought was a certain death. He and the other mutineers were
the villains.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.ht...eviews/2119940

http://www.seacoastonline.com/1999news/7_11d.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/discover...tures/05.shtml