someone wrote:


Sorry, I don't buy it. Your theory is just a bunch of hand waving.
You have to keep rationalizing that viruses are this and bacteria are
that just to try to keep your theory together.

No, I am exploring, initial exploring but you seem too dense to see that.


There is no experiment that you can do to test your theory, and you

No, there is a great experiment of that of taking a 100% sterile life free flask or
drum and have a cosmic ray of 10^14 MeV transit the flask and if there is life
where previously there was none would prove the theory. Another route to proof
would be if Moon rocks or Mars rocks or Mercury rocks contained fossil life but
never had evolved-life.

But I brought up the poison thread because I want a new route to proving the
Quantum Dual theory


cannot make any predictions based on the theory, so it is useless and
it is not even reallly a scientific theory, since it is untestable.
Darwinism has always been consistent with experimental data, and all
of the millions of tests of Darwinism have supported the theory.
Darwinism can be used to predict what the results of an experiment
will be, so it is useful. It also is logical and is the simplest
solution given the data at hand (i.e., it satisfies Occom's razor).

But you seem too dense and opinionated to understand. No reply needed.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:09:08 -0600 Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

On second thought I may have the above all turned around. Perhaps retroviruses
live on other viruses.

In this view viruses have dual partners. If that is the case then the first
life on Earth from a stopped neutrino was viruses of all kinds and they just
floated around until they found something to "eat". Once they ate something
they multiplied and changed into other forms.

Thanks, for maybe the first life on Earth were viruses and that stopped
neutrinos even today could transform into brand new viruses that Earth has
never before seen.

So the question I have is whether those Rockeaters have viruses that attack
them?

Anyone know that answer?


So I wonder that if we set up flasks or containers that were 100% free of living
matter, including viruses and bacteria and the smallest microorganisms and if we
watched and waited as cosmic-rays traversed this container such as the Utah
experiment observatory that catches cosmic rays and analyzed the container, I have
the hunch that life will be found where none had been before.

I also suspect that viruses can be fossilized. And that if our lifeless Moon or
any other lifeless astro body were analyzed for virus fossils that many will be
found because life originates from stopped or halted cosmic rays.

Everyone remember the Mars rock some years back that was said to have fossils of
life and then retracted. I wonder if our best microscopes can detect a virus
fossil. I believe so. And I believe that if Moon rocks and other astro materials
where cosmic rays can be stopped will contain viral and bacterial fossils.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

someone wrote:


Sorry, I don't buy it. Your theory is just a bunch of hand waving.
You have to keep rationalizing that viruses are this and bacteria are
that just to try to keep your theory together.

No, I am exploring, initial exploring but you seem too dense to see that.


There is no experiment that you can do to test your theory, and you

No, there is a great experiment of that of taking a 100% sterile life free flask or
drum and have a cosmic ray of 10^14 MeV transit the flask and if there is life
where previously there was none would prove the theory. Another route to proof
would be if Moon rocks or Mars rocks or Mercury rocks contained fossil life but
never had evolved-life.


In fact, the news today has quite a bit of information concerning cosmic rays. And I
am going to quote it in full in order to point out some missing information which will
discovered in the future.

There are too many cosmic rays to be accountable by supernova alone and these
overabundant cosmic rays, I am confident will be attributed as originating from the
Nucleus of the AtomTotality.

The below article also fails to address the twin facts of that cosmic rays are so
uniformily fluxed over the night sky and that there energies seem unlimited in that
they can pack a 10^14 MeV or even go up to a recordholding 10^21 MeV as was reported
sometime not long ago. If a cosmic ray of 10^21 MeV or higher ever was stopped near
our solar system it could extinct life of Earth.

I am not questioning that cosmic rays are produced from Supernova, for that to me is a
given. What I am questioning from this report is that cosmic rays are so much more
abundant than this report wants to admit and so uniform density in the cosmos and that
many pack energies that supernova source is not the full picture. I contend that some
come from supernova but the majority come from the Nucleus of the AtomTotality of
231Pu.

And in context with this thread on Quantum Dual of Biology. An experiment such as the
Fly-Eye conducted in the desert of Utah should be extended to searching for a device
or equipment where a cosmic ray is captured in a container that is 100% absent of life
forms such as even viral DNA. Because I speculate that such a device will find a new
viral or bacterial DNA after a cosmic ray transits the device. I contend that when a
cosmic ray of 10^14 MeV is stopped in a device that a new virus or bacteria will be
found wherein the cosmic ray neutrino has internal parts of *perfect DNA* and by
stopping the ray will dress that internal DNA and become a viral entity or new
bacteria.

Another means of doing this experiment is to find out if viruses and bacteria can be
fossilized and the Moon is lifeless but it has cosmic ray bombardment. So that a
typical pile of Moon rock should contain many viral fossils that were created from
cosmic rays.

--- quoting Reuters on cosmic ray ---

Scientists Close in on Source of Cosmic
Rays

Wed Nov 3, 1:01 PM ET


Science - Reuters



LONDON (Reuters) - An international team of astronomers
believe they have solved a
mystery that has been perplexing scientists for 100 years
-- the origin of cosmic rays.

Scientists first discovered the
energetic particles that
bombard the Earth nearly a
century ago but where they
come from has been one of the
big questions in
astrophysics.

Using an array of four
telescopes in Africa, the
scientists produced the first
image showing that the
source of cosmic rays could be
the remnant of a
supernova, a powerful explosion
of a star at the end of
its life.

"This is the first time we were
able to take an image of
the source," David Berge, an
astrophysicist at the Max
Planck Institute in Heidelberg,
Germany, told Reuters.

Scientists had long thought
that supernova explosions
were indeed the source, but did
not have evidence to
support it, according to Berge,
who reported the
findings in the science journal
Nature.

He and colleagues from Britain, Armenia, France, Ireland,
Namibia, South Africa and the
Czech Republic studied the remnant of a supernova that
exploded about 1,000 years ago
and left a shell of debris.

"Because the energy density in cosmic rays is so large,
they play an important role in the
development of our galaxy," said Berge.

"We are now at a stage where we seem to be able to prove
cosmic rays come from
supernova remnants."

Professor Ian Halliday, head of the Particle Physics and
Astronomy Research Council
(PPARC) which funds research, welcomed the findings.

"These results provide the first unequivocal proof that
supernovae are capable of
producing large quantities of galactic cosmic rays --
something we have long suspected,
but never been able to confirm," he said in a statement.
--- end quoting ---

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Archimedes Plutonium wrote in
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Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:50:07 +0000 Dan Holdsworth wrote:

Down at the microscopic level, with bacteria and protozoa, the
plant/animal dividing line is extremely blurred. An organism
might one day be wholly photosynthetic; it might the next be
50/50 photosynthetic/predatory; it might then become a predator
for a brief while.


Maybe I need to focus more on energy pathways such as
hydrogen-sulfur or carbon-oxygen and see if there are two creature
species always present when such an energy pathway exists and
whether both species are vital to one another for each to live and
thrive.


I am sure that a little thought should show you that for the second
to survive, the first must be around long enough to produce enough
of the as you say, hydrogen-sulfur or carbon-oxygen to support the
life of the second. In the spring, plants start growing before
insects appear to eat them.

Sean

Yeah sure, Sean, you will always be queen of the obsessive compulsive monkey
spankers.


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"Cereus-validus." wrote:

It is now official.

You really are DINGBATUS with INTELLECTUAL mostus!!!!

nightbat

" Halo ", if you must quickzle hizzle line
spewus,
non-serious
Cereus, with that apparent mouthful of African mushrooms,
off the
blow
hook, bingless, clueless, hootless, dizzle with no
fizzle, ching
ching
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Later, hip hop, bee bop, no validus spinus impetus!

ponder, yonder, homie wanabe,
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Uncle Al wrote:

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

Snip normal Uncle Al's hard acid spewing reflex

Uncle Al
Mena is 134 IQ to join, plus annual dues.

"stooopid"

Uncle Al says, "Ignorance is educable, stupidity is
forever."

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

nightbat

One " stuupid " and one " stupidity " in your
whole
reply
post,
at least it shows you're trying. Only self
ingratiating fools
would
pay
to join a club that demands and recognizes their soon
parted
annual
dues
mutual paying stupidity. And stated only 134 IQ
needed to
join, I
take
it then you don't understand Mensa not Mena 200+ IQ
is
qualifying.
Only
of
course you didn't deduce someone with an actual 200+
IQ would
have
better things to apply that dues, like perhaps their
pocket.

" A fool and his money are soon parted, despite
their IQ. "

the nightbat

Your making fun of folks is easy, their making fun of
you is
not
hard,
why
waste your at times better then that net time. Split
the
difference,
get
a private room for the public displayed affection you
have for
Archie.

the nightbat

Uncle Al always sees himself like this:

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=
9687

Original Cereus serious continued top posting violation corrected

Cereus-validus
Still more piffle from the Dingbatus Emeritus?

The warned against use of the word piffle and fellow science
group member name calling duly noted and second and third
violation

Cereus-validus
Get over yourself, lard head.

The use of negative term lard head is derogatory to profound
gifted, extremely high IQ and or profuse neuron capacity persons,
super brain powered, reference to size or head weight, anti
Federal discrimination law, demeaning, public ridiculing,
unmannerly, inappropriate, uncalled for, despicable, non
scientific, off topic, childish, group etiquette and protocol
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immaturity indicating.

And documented serious and additional fourth violation

Cereus-validus
Keep it up and your mammy will give you a spanking.

The negative use of the discriminating color denoting tone
reference and pronounced demeaning despicable reckless referring
attributing racial used slang term " mammy " for respectable
proper term Mother or Mommy of any and all races is duly recorded
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and intent to commit bodily, behind the barn, shed harm.

Most serious fifth and sixth net posting science group additional
violations but who is counting?

In other words you dug yourself in so deep you'll be lucky if you
can get a job picking up the garbage of the supper leftovers of
any Nobel Prize Honorary Committee celebration event. As a matter
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manage changing your posting name into some other clueless
wonder. Yeah, you could do that and start all over if they don't
abusive net track you, ha, ha. ponder on hopeful world wide group
fan wanabe.


the nightbat



Dingbat is cited for numerous counts of abusing Roget's thesaurus
in attempt to become king of the pedantic bores.

Keep it up and you will never be allowed to touch my monkey.


(top posting corrected)

Yeah Nightbat, you will never replace Cereus as the king of the
pedantic bores!


Sean